CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[Andromeda]

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[…]"While the search has been on-going, RCMP officers continued with the missing person investigation, speaking with family and community members to gather tips and other information that could help locate the children. We have not received any confirmed reports of sightings.

Lilly and Jack’s family have been provided with regular updates on the search and on the missing person investigation. They’ve also be afforded supports.

As of today, May 7th, the active search efforts to locate Lilly and Jack will be scaled back. We’re transitioning from a full-scale search to to searches of more specific spaces, spaces that have already been searched by our teams. We want to circle back to increase the probability that all clues have been found. […]"

This is a written statement the officer is reading from. So, I interpret what he is saying as, they have clues and they are going back to make sure they have everything. jmo/moo

 

[Bigditch]

Is this a new update?

 

[branmuffin]

If the children were last seen on the road it won’t matter if they were in the backyard. To be seen on the road, they had to have left the house.


Missing children: Help the RCMP find Lilly Sullivan and Jack Sullivan | Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Pictou County District RCMP is asking for the public's assistance in locating six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and four-year-old Jack Sullivan. They were last seen this morning, May 2, on Gairloch Rd. in Lansdown Station, Pictou County.

I'm not sure how accurate that statement is, though. It's never been ascribed to anyone: mother, DM, passing motorist, no one. Sure, it's been suggested by DM that they may have gone out to the road, based on the one boot print of Lilly's that faced the road. But I haven't heard any information since May 2 that has been verified. Most info from May 2nd the date of the disappearance has been winnowed down to MBM calling LE after drifting in and out of sleep and DM saying Lily came into the bedroom several times wearing a pink t-shirt and that they must have gone out the sliding door very quietly. Then complete silence until DM frantically requested LE to check the border into New Brunswick and border control about cars with kids in them. I can't imagine that any border control between provinces stop a car with a Canadian license plate and rarely look into vehicles. Sure, a car with an American plate would be stopped but that's about it.

 

[LookingForClues]

I'm an editor and writer. All I can say is I'm delighted that everyone here cares about the meaning of words and expressions! That said, the people whose words we are analyzing are probably not as anal as we all are!

 

[Andromeda]

I'm not sure how accurate that statement is, though. It's never been ascribed to anyone: mother, DM, passing motorist, no one. Sure, it's been suggested by DM that they may have gone out to the road, based on the one boot print of Lilly's that faced the road. But I haven't heard any information since May 2 that has been verified. Most info from May 2nd the date of the disappearance has been winnowed down to MBM calling LE after drifting in and out of sleep and DM saying Lily came into the bedroom several times wearing a pink t-shirt and that they must have gone out the sliding door very quietly. Then complete silence until DM frantically requested LE to check the border into New Brunswick and border control about cars with kids in them. I can't imagine that any border control between provinces stop a car with a Canadian license plate and rarely look into vehicles. Sure, a car with an American plate would be stopped but that's about it.

Canadian here. We do not have border patrol between provinces. The caveat being during CV-19 and people were travelling with purpose.

The Amber Alert would not have instilled border checks. It would only alert people in those areas to keep an eye out for a car (description and license plate if known), and a description of the abductor (and their relationship to the child if known,) and a description of the child/ren. Direction they were travelling, etc.

 

[ttjo]

I'm not sure how accurate that statement is, though. It's never been ascribed to anyone: mother, DM, passing motorist, no one. Sure, it's been suggested by DM that they may have gone out to the road, based on the one boot print of Lilly's that faced the road. But I haven't heard any information since May 2 that has been verified. Most info from May 2nd the date of the disappearance has been winnowed down to MBM calling LE after drifting in and out of sleep and DM saying Lily came into the bedroom several times wearing a pink t-shirt and that they must have gone out the sliding door very quietly. Then complete silence until DM frantically requested LE to check the border into New Brunswick and border control about cars with kids in them. I can't imagine that any border control between provinces stop a car with a Canadian license plate and rarely look into vehicles. Sure, a car with an American plate would be stopped but that's about it.

We don't even have patrols between provinces. You don't even know when you enter another province. You might have a toll booth here and there if you're entering a national park ( Like Banff) but that's just so you pay; they dont ask for anything besides 20 bucks.

 

[AIGT]

dbm

 

[branmuffin]

There is no “border control” between provinces.

I know but this is what DM was asking for. The only provincial land borders that are accessible between the USA and Canada on the east coast are Quebec and New Brunswick. PEI, NFLD have no direct access to the USA, although I do believe there is a ferry that leaves from NS to Maine.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I'm an editor and writer. All I can say is I'm delighted that everyone here cares about the meaning of words and expressions! That said, the people whose words we are analyzing are probably not as anal as we all are!

I'm a proofreader and just pedantic in general . I've stopped being surprised at how many discussion issues here on WS hinge on differing interpretations of varied words and phrases. People (everyone -- WS folks, journalists, LE, witnesses, etc) don't generally inspect their statements for potential vagueness or misinterpretation, and then the speculation takes off from there!

Clearly (to me at least) "on Gairloch road" can mean EITHER "physically out on/near the traffic lanes" OR "at a Gairloch Road address" and we simply don't know which was meant by the RCMP, other than what we can infer from context. If that's not obvious, then we just. don't. know. MOO

 

[AIGT]

I know but this is what DM was asking for. The only provincial land borders that are accessible between the USA and Canada on the east coast are Quebec and New Brunswick. PEI, NFLD have no direct access to the USA, although I do believe there is a ferry that leaves from NS to Maine.

I think he was saying he wanted police to go to the provincial borders not check for them at US borders. I could be wrong.

Doesn’t really matter now anyways. I think it’s safe to say the RCMP haven’t been taking their marching orders from Martell.

 

[LookingForClues]

Am I wrong in remembering DM said he wanted airports to be on alert? Can children in Canada fly with non-parents or even non-relatives without written permission from parents?

As a Vermont resident within a few miles of the Quebec border, I know I can't bring my grandkids into Quebec (land border) without a document proving parental permission (we go to Quebec often!). I also know I can't just hop on a plane to Canada with my grandkids. This has always been true, regardless of who is in power in either country.

I just found this a curious concern if I remember it correctly.

 

[Andromeda]

I know but this is what DM was asking for. The only provincial land borders that are accessible between the USA and Canada on the east coast are Quebec and New Brunswick. PEI, NFLD have no direct access to the USA, although I do believe there is a ferry that leaves from NS to Maine.

JMO/ but it appears DM did give a specific location he thought police should be at. Maybe RCMP could check out the National Wildlife Area that’s located at that border with tracking dogs.
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[…]"He’s calling for the search to be extended to include provincial borders and airports, in case the children were abducted.

“Post any officers they can get, at the New Brunswick border and P.E.I. … and get them out at every airport possible,” he said.[…]"
Stepfather calls for expanded search in case of 2 missing Nova Scotia children | Globalnews.ca

You are correct.There is a N.S.Maine ferry. But you would have to be on the Island or in Maine to access it.

There is a ferry between N.S. and PEi. Wood Island-Pictou, N.S./Caribou PEI.

The Confederation Bridge (Link) replaced Cape Tourmentine ferry which is the New Brunswick/PEI border crossing.

 

[ttjo]

I'm a proofreader and just pedantic in general . I've stopped being surprised at how many discussion issues here on WS hinge on differing interpretations of varied words and phrases. People (everyone -- WS folks, journalists, LE, witnesses, etc) don't generally inspect their statements for potential vagueness or misinterpretation, and then the speculation takes off from there!

Clearly (to me at least) "on Gairloch road" can mean EITHER "physically out on/near the traffic lanes" OR "at a Gairloch Road address" and we simply don't know which was meant by the RCMP, other than what we can infer from context. If that's not obvious, then we just. don't. know. MOO

True, even when DM said "jack was heard in the kitchen" You have to clarify or a start gun goes off for assumptions.

 

[ttjo]

Am I wrong in remembering DM said he wanted airports to be on alert? Can children in Canada fly with non-parents or even non-relatives without written permission from parents?

As a Vermont resident within a few miles of the Quebec border, I know I can't bring my grandkids into Quebec (land border) without a document proving parental permission (we go to Quebec often!). I also know I can't just hop on a plane to Canada with my grandkids. This has always been true, regardless of who is in power in either country.

I just found this a curious concern if I remember it correctly.

Travel documents for children - Travel.gc.ca

Government of Canada's official one-stop-shop for comprehensive international travel information.

travel.gc.ca

 

[AIGT]

Am I wrong in remembering DM said he wanted airports to be on alert? Can children in Canada fly with non-parents or even non-relatives without written permission from parents?

As a Vermont resident within a few miles of the Quebec border, I know I can't bring my grandkids into Quebec (land border) without a document proving parental permission (we go to Quebec often!). I also know I can't just hop on a plane to Canada with my grandkids. This has always been true, regardless of who is in power in either country.

I just found this a curious concern if I remember it correctly.

I think those were just the places that came to his head when trying to picture where a child abductor would go with the children.

 

[iamafiusny]

Am I wrong in remembering DM said he wanted airports to be on alert? Can children in Canada fly with non-parents or even non-relatives without written permission from parents?

As a Vermont resident within a few miles of the Quebec border, I know I can't bring my grandkids into Quebec (land border) without a document proving parental permission (we go to Quebec often!). I also know I can't just hop on a plane to Canada with my grandkids. This has always been true, regardless of who is in power in either country.

I just found this a curious concern if I remember it correctly.

I can't speak to the Canadian laws re flight

But DM didn't just say airports be on alert

He wanted /any/ available officers at the airports and borders. Which I found very interesting.

Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm not sure how accurate that statement is, though. It's never been ascribed to anyone: mother, DM, passing motorist, no one. Sure, it's been suggested by DM that they may have gone out to the road, based on the one boot print of Lilly's that faced the road. But I haven't heard any information since May 2 that has been verified. Most info from May 2nd the date of the disappearance has been winnowed down to MBM calling LE after drifting in and out of sleep and DM saying Lily came into the bedroom several times wearing a pink t-shirt and that they must have gone out the sliding door very quietly. Then complete silence until DM frantically requested LE to check the border into New Brunswick and border control about cars with kids in them. I can't imagine that any border control between provinces stop a car with a Canadian license plate and rarely look into vehicles. Sure, a car with an American plate would be stopped but that's about it.

Yes, the RCMP have said absolutely nothing about May 2 but I’m optimistic their actions speak louder than words and spending so much time and energy in searching is for good reason and will prove worthwhile.

You’re right about the borders and I wondered if DM was recalling border checkstops during covid. I doubt that he’s well travelled, but he might’ve thought his suggestions would seem as if he was.

I’ve come full circle where I’m satisfied to believe the children got lost in the forest without any wrongful acts occurring other than lax parenting. Because we here on WS are focused on crimes which have occurred, it natural to be looking for that in all cases. Time will tell.
JMO

 

[ttjo]

has this been posted yet?

MSN

or this (no new info really)

Police release new details as search for Jack and Lilly Sullivan continues

The search for missing young siblings Lilly and Jack Sullivan continues as authorities hunt down leads and follow up on interviews.

www.newsweek.com

 

[CityKid]

This is from the RCMP’s first press release dated May 2nd. Unless somebody retracted their statement, the children were last seen on the road. That addresses the reason it’s believed the children wandered. Of everything repeatedly written by the media, the sentence below is the least.

Missing children: Help the RCMP find Lilly Sullivan and Jack Sullivan | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Pictou County District RCMP is asking for the public's assistance in locating six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and four-year-old Jack Sullivan. They were last seen this morning, May 2, on Gairloch Rd. in Lansdown Station, Pictou County.

I wouldn't take this as literally on the physical road. If I said, "I live on West Street," I think most people would take that as my home's address is West Street, not that I live on the streets.

 

[MistyWaters]

I wouldn't take this as literally on the physical road. If I said, "I live on West Street," I think most people would take that as my home's address is West Street, not that I live on the streets.

I’m going to believe someone sighted the children on that specific road until such time as the RCMP says otherwise. I’m not insisting you or anyone else believe it, we’re here as a collection of various opinions. I will admit the release of updated information from the RCMP has been about as good as expected and that’s not saying a lot. But it is the Canadian way.