CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[CityKid]

I’m going to believe someone sighted the children on that specific road until such time as the RCMP says otherwise. I’m not insisting you or anyone else believe it, we’re here as a collection of various opinions. I will admit the release of updated information from the RCMP has been about as good as expected and that’s not saying a lot. But it is the Canadian way.

So do you believe someone saw them on the literal road after DM saw Lilly in the bedroom of the home on Gairloch Road?

 

[katydid23]

If this were true, surely the mother of these children would have spoken up. It would have made a difference in how the investigation went forward.

I think she may have spoken up, when she was reportedly in the back of the ambulance. In my experience, when someone gets into an ambulance for 'help', there is often a quick interaction with LE as well, asking what is going on, what happened, etc...

But from what we know so far, she has never denied the original account of what happened leading up to the kids' disappearance.

If she had told someone that she was now uncomfortable with her statement and explAined why, I doubt that would have been made public.

But I realize that she hasn't spoken out publicly, so who knows what she is telling the investigators.

Exactly.

And it may be the opposite. Maybe DM was having questions and suspicions about the mother's behaviour? IDK.

 

[MistyWaters]

So do you believe someone saw them on the literal road after DM saw Lilly in the bedroom of the home on Gairloch Road?

Yes I think someone who was passing by saw the children but didn’t realize the danger at the time. It’s a reality that country kids are granted a lot more freedom than kids who live in cities since the risks are greater. As someone pointed out earlier, country roads do have traffic even if they appear desolate. Delivery trucks, logging trucks, propane or gas trucks, people going to work, driving to appointments, visiting, all those reasons come to mind.
JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

Yes I think someone who was passing by saw the children but didn’t realize the danger at the time. It’s a reality that country kids are granted a lot more freedom than kids who live in cities since the risks are greater. As someone pointed out earlier, country roads do have traffic even if they appear desolate. Delivery trucks, logging trucks, propane or gas trucks, people going to work, driving to appointments, visiting, all those reasons come to mind.
JMO

And if Lilly was wearing her backpack, perhaps she was walking to school and little brother went out after her. I hope these children are found or the parents will be suspected for the rest of their lives.

 

[Sarahlou]

If the kids were seen on the road by someone the police would have stated that a passerby or whoever had seen them.
That would completely change how the public see the case and take suspicion away from the parents. IMO.

 

[iamafiusny]

If the kids were seen on the road by someone the police would have stated that a passerby or whoever had seen them.
That would completely change how the public see the case and take suspicion away from the parents. IMO.

I think if there was a chance of stranger abduction even RCMP would need to say something because then it becomes a matter of public safety.

Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

And if Lilly was wearing her backpack, perhaps she was walking to school and little brother went out after her. I hope these children are found or the parents will be suspected for the rest of their lives.

Yes I sure hope they’re found too. Parents are not able to grieve their loss if they’re being treated as suspects.

Another reason children can get lost in the wilderness is if they’re attempting to catch up to another adult who they know, a family friend or relative, especially one who might be riding a quad but not noticing anything happening. We don’t know anything about activities occurring earlier that morning, although something like that could be a possibility.
JMO

 

[Skigh]

If the kids were seen on the road by someone the police would have stated that a passerby or whoever had seen them.
That would completely change how the public see the case and take suspicion away from the parents. IMO.

I totally agree. It would be a totally different investigation and the police would have certainly considered an abduction. As you say there would be appeals to anyone driving in that area to come forward .

 

[Andromeda]

Am I wrong in remembering DM said he wanted airports to be on alert? Can children in Canada fly with non-parents or even non-relatives without written permission from parents?

As a Vermont resident within a few miles of the Quebec border, I know I can't bring my grandkids into Quebec (land border) without a document proving parental permission (we go to Quebec often!). I also know I can't just hop on a plane to Canada with my grandkids. This has always been true, regardless of who is in power in either country.

I just found this a curious concern if I remember it correctly.

Yes he said that.

Children can fly as unaccompanied minors in Canada. From personal experience, the flight has to be direct. We had to be at the gate to get them on, their aunt had to be at the destination gate to receive them. Documentation (a letter signed by both their dad and I, granting permission, along with copies of our gov’t issued ID attached had to be attached), as well they had to be in possession of their own passport. The airline rep had to be the one to physically escort our minor to their aunt. She had to have the proper ID before our minor was handed off.

If Lilly and Jack left via a private airport, it would be different. We’re talking a chartered flight. Still, there would be flight logs of passengers investigators could review.

IMO, unlikely Lilly and Jack disappeared this route, or via any airport, with a stranger.

jmo/moo

 

[MistyWaters]

I think if there was a chance of stranger abduction even RCMP would need to say something because then it because a matter of public safety.

Moo

At this point in time they’ve said they have no evidence of an abduction so they wouldn’t cause fear for no reason. Unless something changes.

 

[Amoca]

I think he was saying he wanted police to go to the provincial borders not check for them at US borders. I could be wrong.

Doesn’t really matter now anyways. I think it’s safe to say the RCMP haven’t been taking their marching orders from Martell.

Pictou County-ian here. You can pass through provinces without a check- We don't have border patrol other than at the Canada/US border which we in NS don't have access to. There's as sign that Says "Welcome to (New Brunswick or NS)" We're pretty sure the children are still in our province. There's no new news afaik.

 

[doublestop]

The word is “on”. It’s not an option to read different words than were contained in the RCMP release.

“They were last seen this morning, May 2, on Gairloch Rd. in Lansdown Station, Pictou County.“

That's not what I did. "On Gairloch Rd" can easily mean in a property along the road. It certainly does where I live, perhaps it's different where you live.

 

[MistyWaters]

I totally agree. It would be a totally different investigation and the police would have certainly considered an abduction. As you say there would be appeals to anyone driving in that area to come forward .

I don’t think people have to be asked to come forward if they were driving in the area. There were localized alerts on May 2nd and 3rd and umpteen news stories, all asking for people with ANY information to contact the RCMP. IMO that includes people who saw anything unusual while driving in the area.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I’ve been calling for abduction since the first or second day as you guys have seen on the news,” he said “I wanted officers at all the borders, New Brunswick and P.E.I. and the airports but they said it wasn’t a concern and now it’s obviously a concern.”

“Children in that age range tend to hide anyway even early on,” he said. “So it’s just a very thorough effort to get into all of these areas because if somebody is hiding under a deadfall or something like that, they have to be able to see.”

“The only reason we would stop would be because we found them today,” said Hansen. “The plan is to go tomorrow, hoping to have at least another hundred people here tomorrow and push through until the end of the day at least.”

Ground and air teams renew search and rescue efforts for Lilly and Jack Sullivan in Pictou County, N.S.

Five teams and 100 people from across the province are working with civil air search and rescue teams in the renewed search for Lilly and Jack Sullivan who went missing from their home in Pictou County, N.S., on May 2.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Andromeda]

I’m going to believe someone sighted the children on that specific road until such time as the RCMP says otherwise. I’m not insisting you or anyone else believe it, we’re here as a collection of various opinions. I will admit the release of updated information from the RCMP has been about as good as expected and that’s not saying a lot. But it is the Canadian way.

The RCMP did say at their May 7th update, they did not have any “confirmed” sightings. (at the 3:30 mark)

“... RCMP officers continued with the missing person investigation, speaking with family and community members to gather tips and other information that could help locate the children. We have not received any confirmed reports of sightings.[…]"

Maybe the May 2nd press release had not yet been confirmed. Maybe they were wanting to protect the privacy of Lilly and Jack and family by not publicizing their civic address, so kept it general (on).

jmo/moo

 

[AIGT]

BBM - IMO I put a lot of weight into the bolded part of the RCMP press release. IMO the RCMP know a lot more. They want the bodies to help tie their investigation together. There’s no investigation to “advance” if it’s a simple missing child case.

More than 100 volunteer searchers from Colchester, Halifax, East Hants, Pictou County, and Strait Area ground search and rescue and the Civil Air Search and Rescue Association focused on specific areas around Gairloch Rd. in an effort to locate Lilly and Jack and advance the RCMP investigation.

Ground and air search efforts in Pictou County as missing persons investigation continues | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

 

[iamafiusny]

Yes he said that.

Children can fly as unaccompanied minors in Canada. From personal experience, the flight has to be direct. We had to be at the gate to get them on, their aunt had to be at the destination gate to receive them. Documentation (a letter signed by both their dad and I, granting permission, along with copies of our gov’t issued ID attached had to be attached), as well they had to be in possession of their own passport. The airline rep had to be the one to physically escort our minor to their aunt. She had to have the proper ID before our minor was handed off.

If Lilly and Jack left via a private airport, it would be different. We’re talking a chartered flight. Still, there would be flight logs of passengers investigators could review.

IMO, unlikely Lilly and Jack disappeared this route, or via any airport, with a stranger.

jmo/moo

RCMP spokesperson Cpl. Carlie McCann said No Amber Alert will be issued because there are specific requirements for issuing an Amber Alert, including the belief that a child has been abducted. “There’s no evidence of an abduction,” she said.

***She added that they are not believed to be with an adult.***

Two young Nova Scotia children still missing from remote wooded community in Pictou County

Siblings, aged 4 and 6, believe to have wandered away from family home on Friday morning

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[MistyWaters]

BBM - IMO I put a lot of weight into the bolded part of the RCMP press release. IMO the RCMP know a lot more. They want the bodies to help tie their investigation together. There’s no investigation to “advance” if it’s a simple missing child case.

More than 100 volunteer searchers from Colchester, Halifax, East Hants, Pictou County, and Strait Area ground search and rescue and the Civil Air Search and Rescue Association focused on specific areas around Gairloch Rd. in an effort to locate Lilly and Jack and advance the RCMP investigation.

Ground and air search efforts in Pictou County as missing persons investigation continues | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Isn’t the RCMP investigation advanced toward reaching a conclusion if the bodies are found? After that comes forensic examiners and autopsies to determine manner and cause of death.

If the RCMP has evidence of foul play already, the suspect/s can be charged without bodies being found. But I can’t even guess how they could know that at this point, short of a confession.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

https://www.facebook.com/rcmpns/posts/pfbid0AguQxBe8uWYtMmVtTfwoUendNVNVVSy9fgSW7s8oJohCPfGPbJYZ8WWSiLsosBhQl

 

[AIGT]

Isn’t the RCMP investigation advanced toward reaching a conclusion if the bodies are found? After that comes forensic examiners and autopsies to determine manner and cause of death.

If the RCMP has evidence of foul play already, the suspect/s can be charged without bodies being found. But I can’t even guess how they could know that at this point, short of a confession.

I disagree. My opinion.