CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[MistyWaters]

That I understood but it’s contradictory….ie they got out there on their own, yet she states “which we don’t let them do”, but yet they left them out there?.??
The other thing I don’t get… all objective but, why don’t they let a 6&4 year old play in a fenced backyard without parents?? They don’t strike me as helicopter parents. Is there a specific reason, or a real or presumed fear? Eyes from both trailers would be on those kids all the time. A dog would alert strangers ( or in my darn case,,,everyonebreathing)

IMO she’s trying too hard to make it appear they’re extremely dedicated parents and always have their eyes on the children keeping a close watch 100% if not 200% of the time. Then this particular fateful morning something goes wrong and the children just totally disappear into thin air.

Her account is not credible. If the children are supervised so closely as well as knowing what they’re allowed to do and what not, then how and why did they apparently leave their home? She knows her children better than anyone. I would certainly hope the RCMP asked her what she think happened because on the surface her story doesn’t make a lot of sense. Does she suppose someone was parked, waiting in their yard, awaiting to pick up of the children? That’s the only scenario that fits to any degree and if so, she knows a lot more than she’s saying,
JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Does anyone think Maleyha called the police very quickly . Daniel hadn't even returned from searching?

No. She made a comment that she felt she needed to call right away. You could call it a vibe, a hunch, mother's intuition, whatever. She did the right thing and called 911.

 

[MistyWaters]

No. She made a comment that she felt she needed to call right away. You could call it a vibe, a hunch, mother's intuition, whatever. She did the right thing and called 911.

I wondered why she called 911 before he finished searching as well. Possibly just a matter of taking prudent action however a little voice in my mind speculated she knew he wouldn’t find them.

 

[tlcya]

'We get up and look outside. We're looking everywhere, yelling for them, and I instantly just called 911. I just had the instinct I needed to call.'
Mom's haunting on-camera plea after two young children both vanished

I am trying to chalk that unusual statement/expression of the timeline to her possibly not being very well educated or her being a bit naive and not worldly.

Because

That isn't instinct? That is plain simple common sense. Her young children were missing. No "instinct" is needed to know you call 911 in that circumstance? JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

Yes, I do. She didn't call the police though, she called 911. 911 is commonly used when there is an accident and people need medical help. I think these kids died in an accidental way, but the family is covering it up to protect either themselves or someone else in the family.

911 is the number to call for the police in an emergency.

 

[su5ie]

No. She made a comment that she felt she needed to call right away. You could call it a vibe, a hunch, mother's intuition, whatever. She did the right thing and called 911.

Oh I do believe she did what most would do in such an isolated area . I just feel the way Daniel and herself are conveying the account does not add up . Now I get that they may be trying to appear like they never put a foot wrong while parenting the children and may or may not be aware that fellow Canadians, the parents of summer wells had her siblings taken in to Foster homes and the parents lost guardianship

so far nothing has transpired to show any of the scenarios we have put forward to have a working hypothesis. Imo each possibility is met with more questions and no evidence has been found by rmpc to support the abduction theory and from what I see they are not looking at homicide at the moment. by the hand of a parent or another and from the speed in which Daniel states he was out the door 20 mins was his quote that the home was silent , so give or take 10 mins to throw on runners and clothes . How far do 2 kids get in half an hour that they are unable to hear their names being screamed as i imagine they were if Daniel states he was hoarse . This is an area where you would probably hear a pin drop from a mile radius.

From where I live to the nearest supermarket is 2.2km I know from covid rules because you couldn't go further than 2km unless it was for essentials . I takes me 16 mins to walk that but that is a quick pace on flat even concrete pathways. If I have children with me depending on age and ability. It can take anywhere from 20 minutes to 30 minutes. Generally a 3 year old grandson can take up to 40 mins . So how far without help did lilly and jack get in 30 / 40 minutes on rougher , denser terrain

So what is the alternative . I'm choosing to take a better look at the parents and the possibility that in the 24 hours or less that they were observed in public ,The kids came to harm in the home .

 

[Brooklyn127]

Oh I do believe she did what most would do in such an isolated area . I just feel the way Daniel and herself are conveying the account does not add up . Now I get that they may be trying to appear like they never put a foot wrong while parenting the children and may or may not be aware that fellow Canadians, the parents of summer wells had her siblings taken in to Foster homes and the parents lost guardianship

so far nothing has transpired to show any of the scenarios we have put forward to have a working hypothesis. Imo each possibility is met with more questions and no evidence has been found by rmpc to support the abduction theory and from what I see they are not looking at homicide at the moment. by the hand of a parent or another and from the speed in which Daniel states he was out the door 20 mins was his quote that the home was silent , so give or take 10 mins to throw on runners and clothes . How far do 2 kids get in half an hour that they are unable to hear their names being screamed as i imagine they were if Daniel states he was hoarse . This is an area where you would probably hear a pin drop from a mile radius.

From where I live to the nearest supermarket is 2.2km I know from covid rules because you couldn't go further than 2km unless it was for essentials . I takes me 16 mins to walk that but that is a quick pace on flat even concrete pathways. If I have children with me depending on age and ability. It can take anywhere from 20 minutes to 30 minutes. Generally a 3 year old grandson can take up to 40 mins . So how far without help did lilly and jack get in 30 / 40 minutes on rougher , denser terrain

So what is the alternative . I'm choosing to take a better look at the parents and the possibility that in the 24 hours or less that they were observed in public ,The kids came to harm in the home .

A couple things.
One, when small children are play/hiding, it has been said, here (many times) that they often won't respond - to anyone - when their names are called. (And especially shouted, I would imagine.) Suddenly realizing that they might be in (big!) trouble. They tend to hunker down, and possibly later, keep going.
Two, I totally agree about trying to walk to any given destination with a small child. I babysat one time for a youngster; we headed for the corner grocer (about three blocks away), and we made it across the street and about ten more feet. I had to carry her the rest of the way - and back!
But that is altogether different from what a youngster can do when it is their choice to head off, and not yours.
By all accounts, they can be very fast on their feet, and get surprisingly far. Many reports of this, on this site and in MSM.
MOO

 

[Chimera]

After the last public sighting on May 1st, I'd be interested in knowing if the kids came back from town with them ?
Any cameras anywhere that showed just DM, MBM, and the baby/toddler ?
Not saying they couldn't have been dropped off at a friend's house to play or whatever, sometimes kids have a playdate -- so not necessarily sus.
Just asking.
Haven't heard yes or no from any source, though.
Imo.

 

[MistyWaters]

Oh I do believe she did what most would do in such an isolated area . I just feel the way Daniel and herself are conveying the account does not add up . Now I get that they may be trying to appear like they never put a foot wrong while parenting the children and may or may not be aware that fellow Canadians, the parents of summer wells had her siblings taken in to Foster homes and the parents lost guardianship

so far nothing has transpired to show any of the scenarios we have put forward to have a working hypothesis. Imo each possibility is met with more questions and no evidence has been found by rmpc to support the abduction theory and from what I see they are not looking at homicide at the moment. by the hand of a parent or another and from the speed in which Daniel states he was out the door 20 mins was his quote that the home was silent , so give or take 10 mins to throw on runners and clothes . How far do 2 kids get in half an hour that they are unable to hear their names being screamed as i imagine they were if Daniel states he was hoarse . This is an area where you would probably hear a pin drop from a mile radius.

From where I live to the nearest supermarket is 2.2km I know from covid rules because you couldn't go further than 2km unless it was for essentials . I takes me 16 mins to walk that but that is a quick pace on flat even concrete pathways. If I have children with me depending on age and ability. It can take anywhere from 20 minutes to 30 minutes. Generally a 3 year old grandson can take up to 40 mins . So how far without help did lilly and jack get in 30 / 40 minutes on rougher , denser terrain

So what is the alternative . I'm choosing to take a better look at the parents and the possibility that in the 24 hours or less that they were observed in public ,The kids came to harm in the home .

BBM above.
Minor clarification, the Summer Wells case occurred in the state of Tennessee, situated in the USA, not in Canada.

 

[Ontario Mom]

'We get up and look outside. We're looking everywhere, yelling for them, and I instantly just called 911. I just had the instinct I needed to call.'
Mom's haunting on-camera plea after two young children both vanished

I am trying to chalk that unusual statement/expression of the timeline to her possibly not being very well educated or her being a bit naive and not worldly.

Because

That isn't instinct? That is plain simple common sense. Her young children were missing. No "instinct" is needed to know you call 911 in that circumstance? JMO

I suspect what you've said is exactly what she meant. I can't fault the woman for using the wrong adjectives when her babies just went missing.

 

[Slebby]

Their account of what they did when they discovered the children were not inside the home does not ring true for me. My first thought would not be “they’re missing, omg, they’ve been abducted or wandered off!” My first instinct would not be panic, it would be, “oh they must be outside”. Look outside, then, not seeing them, I would carry my toddler with me and join my partner in looking around outside, calling their names. Why was MBM not outside looking and calling names too? I would knock on DM’s mom’s door, and if home, ask her and her other son to help find kids. Then I would start to worry if they could not be found in a few minutes. Then I would gradually expand my search radius, maybe they got outside the fence, maybe they walked to the road. If I knew my neighbors I would call and ask for their help. There would come a time I would call 911, but there are things I would do first.
But what they did, according to their statement, she sat in their home, and at one point called 911, while he jumped in either a car or atv and searched roads, culverts, etc. it makes no sense to think these 2 little kids would get so far away on foot that it would require a car or atv to find them. If little kids wandered off on foot, a grown man will find them easily on foot.
It does not ring true for me. I believe they are not being entirely truthful.
IMO

 

[teeby]

Tbf they live in the middle of nowhere. I would also do a lap around the block and check the playground across the street before I called 911 on a 4 and 6yo, but if my neighbor had to drive through woods to get to me, I'd call 911 as soon as I realized they weren't in any of the obvious places.

 

[Slebby]

Tbf they live in the middle of nowhere. I would also do a lap around the block and check the playground across the street before I called 911 on a 4 and 6yo, but if my neighbor had to drive through woods to get to me, I'd call 911 as soon as I realized they weren't in any of the obvious places.

I hear you. But living in the middle of nowhere makes it feel safer, in a way. They can only get so far, there’s no traffic, the chances of a predator coincidentally happening by on that one occasion the kids got out are infinitesimal. They had time to be methodical.
IMO

 

[iamshadow21]

I hear you. But living in the middle of nowhere makes it feel safer, in a way. They can only get so far, there’s no traffic, the chances of a predator coincidentally happening by on that one occasion the kids got out are infinitesimal. They had time to be methodical.
IMO

You'd think, but there's always a case like Athena Strand to remind us that it still happens, sometimes.

I don't think that's what's happened here, but lighting does strike occasionally, even in rural and remote areas.

MOO

 

[AddyFinch]

Never forget, the immediately reaction of LE in the Sherman murders, Sherman murdersas murder suicide, couldn’t have been further from truth, so why did RCMP immediately dismiss the abduction theory here? Well it’s one of two reasons… shoddy police work, or they know something very important.

 

[teeby]

I hear you. But living in the middle of nowhere makes it feel safer, in a way. They can only get so far, there’s no traffic, the chances of a predator coincidentally happening by on that one occasion the kids got out are infinitesimal. They had time to be methodical.
IMO

That's fair. I've never actually lived in the middle of nowhere I guess my thought was that if you think your kids have wandered away, they are harder to find in the woods than along a sidewalk, and also the longer it takes to get help, the earlier you want to call them. If I spend ten minutes looking and then call 911, I've still got cops on scene in fifteen minutes. If the police are an hour away, I'll call sooner, and if I find them in the next ten minutes, I'll call back and cancel. It's possible this isn't actually correct in terms of ideal procedure, but that's how my mind would process it.

 

[iamshadow21]

Never forget, the immediately reaction of LE in the Sherman murders, Sherman murdersas murder suicide, couldn’t have been further from truth, so why did RCMP immediately dismiss the abduction theory here? Well it’s one of two reasons… shoddy police work, or they know something very important.

We shouldn't forget that they very likely know much more than we do, and may have a very good reason to not consider this to be an abduction.

MOO

 

[AddyFinch]

I wouldn’t react in the manner that they did, but people react differently when faced with fear. And if you believe any of the other SM there is major conflicting accounts of that morning. Looking at where they live, my first instinct would be hit by a car, or abduction. I would be dragging those big ditches for a mile each way thinking they were dragged or thrown. The bush would be my last thought unless I knew something familiar with the kids and that bush.

 

[shetalksinstereo]

That's fair. I've never actually lived in the middle of nowhere I guess my thought was that if you think your kids have wandered away, they are harder to find in the woods than along a sidewalk, and also the longer it takes to get help, the earlier you want to call them. If I spend ten minutes looking and then call 911, I've still got cops on scene in fifteen minutes. If the police are an hour away, I'll call sooner, and if I find them in the next ten minutes, I'll call back and cancel. It's possible this isn't actually correct in terms of ideal procedure, but that's how my mind would process it.

Around 25 years ago, in the winter, I got home from work to no footprints in the snow and my 10 year old should have gotten off the bus, 5 minutes before my arrival. Hmmm... well, it was windy, maybe the wind blew the snow over her tracks? We lived on a rural route at the time, a county road, no sidewalks, bus dropped off at our driveway.

I go in the house and my dog greets me. I don't see a backpack, or a coat, or boots. I start yelling her name. I check all the rooms in our ranch home, which was very small - 2 bedrooms, one bathroom. I checked the garage. I walked around the house. I looked down the road to see if I could see the bus. Yelling her name the whole time. (This is pre-cell phone era mind you) I called my mother to see if she picked her up from school since she did on Mon-Thur and my daughter rode the bus home on Fri b/c I got out early. Nope, she didn't. She said she would drive up to school, and she only lived 2 blocks from her school. I called my husband to tell him she wasn't at home. He leaves work and has to pass her school, so he will look there on the way home. I call school, it's after hours no answer. I am frantic! I get the phone book out and call the school bus company and explain that my kid isn't home, can they look into it for me - was she on the bus, etc? They will call me back. I still have not called the police mind you... the phone rings, and it's the bus company. The bus driver passed our house b/c they weren't used to dropping her off at home since she only rode the bus on Fridays, and they had to continue their route and bring her on the way back to the bus garage. This all transpired over a period of 25 minutes that seemed like hours.

Your adrenaline is maxxed out. My next call would have been the police. My kid walks in like nothings wrong, and I am crying and she's like "what's wrong?" and then the phone is ringing from my hysterical mom saying she wasn't at school, and I'm like she's home.

 

[MistyWaters]

Never forget, the immediately reaction of LE in the Sherman murders, Sherman murdersas murder suicide, couldn’t have been further from truth, so why did RCMP immediately dismiss the abduction theory here? Well it’s one of two reasons… shoddy police work, or they know something very important.

The RCMP and TPS (Toronto Police Service) are very distinct entities, unrelated to each other.

The RCMP didn’t dismiss an abduction - the reason an Amber Alert wasn’t issued was because they had no evidence of an abduction. This has been discussed numerous times,