CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[BCSleuth]

[snip]

Suggesting that a whole tribal band is responsible for hiding these children for 6 weeks when the world is looking for them? Shame on people who are asking this.

Meh. There are always going to be wild conspiracy theories. That is just how some people think. I think any suggestion that anybody is hiding these kids for their own good is just absurd. I wish people would stop. But people really seem to like these theories.

 

[Bigditch]

Question for anyone who works for the Child Welfare System. Can a complaint be made against someone anonymously?

And FYI, CPS, Child Protective Services is a United States of America agency.

 

[MistyWaters]

Living conditions does sound like more than a fence, but that would be an obvious safety concern. If they were found out on the road, and someone reported it, that would be enough.

A fence does not prevent children from going on a road if no one is watching them. They can climb over it, maybe crawl under it or open the gate. Unsupervised children is a far more serious issue than physical improvements to dwellings.

Just had a thought to amuse myself, not being serious other than at this point nothing would surprise me about this case —- will we see a lawsuit because the Province of Nova Scotia failed to build the family a fence to safeguard the children, nor did they place the children in care until DM got around to finishing it? Seems it all must be the govt’s fault because look what happened on May 2nd, out that silent sliding door, into the unfixed-fence yard and off they went.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

small children missing for 6 weeks and no cadaver dogs sounds really out there for me unless they are absolutely sure they are not in that area

I think LE must be absolutely sure Lilly and Jack are not deceased and in that area.

As to why LE could feel they can be absolutely sure Lilly and Jack weren't deceased on the property or in the woods, they have been investigating and have collected information along the way, leading to asking DM to do a polygraph test and him agreeing and them giving him one.

We don't know how LE interpreted the results of DM's test, or whether or how many others they gave polygraphs to (IIRC, there was an article linked here a few days ago that said they were considering giving them to up to 54 people, or did I dream that?? Apologies if so).

So whether giving polygraphs is just a standard weed-out tool because they simply need to know more and are looking out further into the parents' social circles, neighbors, known criminals in the area to see if anything comes up related to the children, or they think someone may be lying about the circumstances of their disappearance, it's hard to tell.

IMO & MOO:

Maybe they saw something about the property and terrain or access to the woods or tire tracks that pointed away from that area or seemed to be a very unlikely route to have been taken by young children playing, and suspected an abduction was more likely by someone driving by or driving up and grabbing them and speeding away.

Maybe they saw something or heard something from the parents when they arrived at the house that day that seemed off about their descriptions of what they said they were doing when they vanished and/or the timing between then and calling 911, the condition of the home, their demeanor or lucidity, their nervousness or lack thereof, meaningful looks or looks of guilt or fear between the parents, that LE assessed could have gone beyond just feeling bad they were in bed and didn't know where their kids had wandered off to.

And perhaps if there was any stridence or insistence from either or both of their parents that Lilly and Jack must have wandered into the woods, and then leading them to a spot where they said they found a piece of Lilly's blanket (and a boot print?) leading that way, and they were acting extremely nervous (even the LEO on the dispatch sounded really nervous when relaying that part about the piece of blanket they were shown by the parents, it was chilling to me)...

Just saying there could have been indicators LE picked up on that maybe they hadn't wandered into the woods, so they did their searches with the tracking/scent dog and found absolutely nothing to indicate that's where they were, so they weren't going to pursue "wandered into the woods" any further.

I believe if none of the searchers ever found a thing & the tracking/scent dog never signaled to picking up either of their scents anywhere beyond the yard where they played, that gave LE the information they needed to direct their resources towards pursuing other possibilities.

 

[atomicsciencegal]

Question for anyone who works for the Child Welfare System. Can a complaint be made against someone anonymously?

And FYI, CPS, Child Protective Services is a United States of America agency.

Yes, according to this information provided by the govt of NS, you can report anonymously as long as you are NOT a professional or official that must report.


This is a list of mandated professionals and officials that must report.

Duty of Professionals and Officials to Report as per Section 24 of the CFSA


Applies to every person who performs professional or official duties with respect


to a child, including but not limited to; a health care professional, physician,


nurse, dentist, pharmacist, psychologist, teacher, school principal, social worker,


family counsellor, member of the clergy, peace officer, medical examiner, youth


worker, recreation worker, operator or employee of a day-care facility.

 

[MistyWaters]

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Okay thanks for that. Given the disappearance has been declared a Crime perhaps the RCMP are expecting to learn the identities of the criminals which in turn could lead to the location of the bodies, rather than searching a vast area which probably still wouldn’t reveal the identity of any persons involved. For example if the children were taken and murdered, it wouldn’t be out of the realm to return and hide their bodies near their home in order to try incriminate the children’s family members.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

Meh. There are always going to be wild conspiracy theories. That is just how some people think. I think any suggestion that anybody is hiding these kids for their own good is just absurd. I wish people would stop. But people really seem to like these theories.

You are probably right . But a lot of what is speculated from the information available could be regarded as conspiracy theories as no one knows what happened and there seems to be no singular official theory in this case , no suspects either .
Everything suggested is hypothetical

With RCMP not bringing cadaver dogs into search six weeks on from two kids going missing supposedly into dense forest. One would be forgiven if they went down the rabbit hole of alternative scenarios. One of which may be that the kids are being hidden because of a fear of them been taken into care or whatever people's reasons are for feeling this might be the case

Personal I don't think references to ' the band " being responsible is in particularly good taste and I've posted up thread re this subject .

If there is a possibility that the kids are being hidden this has nothing to do with the band members and as you state would be an insult to suggest it is . If it happens to be a person whom lives among the Mi'kmaq people's, it is a person with loyalties to the parents and nothing to do with a whole community . And to suggest otherwise would suggest conspiracy is at play

 

[AddyFinch]

Suggesting the band is hiding them is insulting. You are suggesting thousands of people are involved, apparently none of whom follow the law. Customary care arrangements are all still made within the confines of the law and have a legal trail. This is NOT that. Please stop suggesting this.

Huh? Respectfully disagree. I did post the link to the legal definition , and aware it IS legal. Speculation is ended, sleuthing has stopped.

 

[Hexe]

Huh? Respectfully disagree.

It's obvious the law enforcement has no idea where the children are or what happened to them. If they were in the care of the band through the legal ways RCMP would not be combing the woods right now.

 

[dotr]

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Jun 19, 2025 #news #novascotia #missing
Six weeks after two children went missing in Nova Scotia, Lilly and Jack Sullivan's stepfather says he passed a police polygraph related to their disappearance. Daniel Martell wants people to know: "I didn't kill Lilly and Jack." He spoke with the CBC's Kayla Hounsell.

 

[Bigditch]

Yes, according to this information provided by the govt of NS, you can report anonymously as long as you are NOT a professional or official that must report.


This is a list of mandated professionals and officials that must report.

Duty of Professionals and Officials to Report as per Section 24 of the CFSA


Applies to every person who performs professional or official duties with respect


to a child, including but not limited to; a health care professional, physician,


nurse, dentist, pharmacist, psychologist, teacher, school principal, social worker,


family counsellor, member of the clergy, peace officer, medical examiner, youth


worker, recreation worker, operator or employee of a day-care facility.

Thank you.

 

[MistyWaters]

You are probably right . But a lot of what is speculated from the information available could be regarded as conspiracy theories as no one knows what happened and there seems to be no singular official theory in this case , no suspects either .
Everything suggested is hypothetical

With RCMP not bringing cadaver dogs into search six weeks on from two kids going missing supposedly into dense forest. One would be forgiven if they went down the rabbit hole of alternative scenarios. One of which may be that the kids are being hidden because of a fear of them been taken into care or whatever people's reasons are for feeling this might be the case

Personal I don't think references to ' the band " being responsible is in particularly good taste and I've posted up thread re this subject .

If there is a possibility that the kids are being hidden this has nothing to do with the band members and as you state would be an insult to suggest it is . If it happens to be a person whom lives among the Mi'kmaq people's, it is a person with loyalties to the parents and nothing to do with a whole community . And to suggest otherwise would suggest conspiracy is at play

Doesn’t qualify as a conspiracy theory to me either. It’s been confirmed both of the children and the mother are members of Sipekne'katik First Nation. I’d much prefer her motherly instinct would be to seek protection of her children from one of her people rather than to intentionally harm them.
JMO

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-children-pictou-county-lily-jack-sullivan-1.7527613#:~:text=The%20children's%20maternal%20grandfather%20is,everybody's%20children%20in%20this%20county.%22&text=He%20said%20that%20while%20it's,We%20have%20to%20remember%20kindness.%22

How is the community coping?​

The chief of Sipekne'katik First Nation, one of Nova Scotia's largest Mi'kmaw communities, issued a statement saying the children are part of their community. The children's maternal grandfather is a member of Sipekne'katik First Nation.

"Please help bring Lilly and Jack back home," Michelle Glasgow wrote in a Facebook post.

On May 6, the First Nation issued a statement saying it was united "in our strong desire to see these children return home safely. Our thoughts are with them every moment until they are found."

The chief and council also asked the community to "refrain from jumping to conclusions or sharing unverified information, as this can complicate the efforts of the multiple agencies involved in the ongoing investigation."

 

[su5ie]

It's obvious the law enforcement has no idea where the children are or what happened to them. If they were in the care of the band through the legal ways RCMP would not be combing the woods right now.

Even if the children were removed on the say so of MBM to a safe place , she would have informed authorities within 24 hours of her and meadow also getting to the safety of her family home .

She would have explained her reasonings behind this and the searches would have stopped .

Logically if we think about this scenario, what would she have to gain from continuing to keep up the pretence . Imo by allowing that scenario to continue she would in actual fact have much to lose including her freedom because as far as I'm aware misleading an investigation and providing false information to LE particularly one of this scale and cost would come with jail time and other legal repercussions.imo

 

[Bigditch]

Another question, Does anyone recall how long MBM & D have been together? I have a feeling MBM & Lj moved into the trailer 2 years ago, 2022-2023?

 

[MistyWaters]

Even if the children were removed on the say so of MBM to a safe place , she would have informed authorities within 24 hours of her and meadow also getting to the safety of her family home .

She would have explained her reasonings behind this and the searches would have stopped .

Logically if we think about this scenario, what would she have to gain from continuing to keep up the pretence . Imo by allowing that scenario to continue she would in actual fact have much to lose including her freedom because as far as I'm aware misleading an investigation and providing false information to LE particularly one of this scale and cost would come with jail time and other legal repercussions.imo

I really wonder if MBM has been talking to authorities. She can’t be forced to. Perhaps that’s why it’s the sound of silence to the media as well.

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Say nothing to the police during the interrogation is the best advice I can give my clients. They will not charge you unless they feel they have sufficient evidence. However, if you answer their questions in an attempt to clear your name, you may inadvertently provide evidence that they can use against you in court.

 

[BCSleuth]

Doesn’t qualify as a conspiracy theory to me either. [...]

People conspiring to hide the children away isn't a conspiracy theory? It is like the definition of a conspiracy theory.

 

[Chimera]

Doesn’t qualify as a conspiracy theory to me either. It’s been confirmed both of the children and the mother are members of Sipekne'katik First Nation. I’d much prefer her motherly instinct would be to seek protection of her children from one of her people rather than to intentionally harm them.
JMO

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-children-pictou-county-lily-jack-sullivan-1.7527613#:~:text=The%20children's%20maternal%20grandfather%20is,everybody's%20children%20in%20this%20county.%22&text=He%20said%20that%20while%20it's,We%20have%20to%20remember%20kindness.%22

How is the community coping?​

The chief of Sipekne'katik First Nation, one of Nova Scotia's largest Mi'kmaw communities, issued a statement saying the children are part of their community. The children's maternal grandfather is a member of Sipekne'katik First Nation.

"Please help bring Lilly and Jack back home," Michelle Glasgow wrote in a Facebook post.

On May 6, the First Nation issued a statement saying it was united "in our strong desire to see these children return home safely. Our thoughts are with them every moment until they are found."

The chief and council also asked the community to "refrain from jumping to conclusions or sharing unverified information, as this can complicate the efforts of the multiple agencies involved in the ongoing investigation."

Purple emphasis mine.
Ita.

Imo one of the reasons people might speculate that certain members of MBM's tribal community could be helping her, is that in such a scenario -- the kids might be alive ?
I think the other poster who mentioned such a possibility was hoping for a better ending than one we all fear, and I see nothing disrespectful in their comments.
It wouldn't have to be thousands of members of the tribe, but only one or two who the mom might have reached out to ?

If they're alive somehow, some way, then obviously DM and MBM may be in a bit of trouble as it's a serious issue to withhold any information from LE.
LE/RCMP have said they're pursuing all options except an abduction and so far haven't stated otherwise ?
The ongoing silence from the mother (or any of her family) has me worried, tbh.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

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Jun 19, 2025 #news #novascotia #missing
Six weeks after two children went missing in Nova Scotia, Lilly and Jack Sullivan's stepfather says he passed a police polygraph related to their disappearance. Daniel Martell wants people to know: "I didn't kill Lilly and Jack." He spoke with the CBC's Kayla Hounsell.

Rbm.
No one said he did, not LE and neither his nor MBM's families.

To whom is he speaking ?
LE have not said he's a poi.

If it's comments from social media, DM needs to unplug, stop reading, and work to find Lilly and Jack.
That is all that matters.
Imo.

 

[MistyWaters]

People conspiring to hide the children away isn't a conspiracy theory? It is like the definition of a conspiracy theory.

It would neither be unlawful nor unheard of for a woman with sole custody of her children to place them with another person, possibly a friend or relative, who has agreed to care for them for a period of time. Who said they were ‘hiding’? It’s not as if we inventory the whereabouts of each Canadian child every night.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Rbm.
No one said he did, not LE and neither his nor MBM's families.

To whom is he speaking ?
LE have not said he's a poi.

If it's comments from social media, DM needs to unplug, stop reading, and work to find Lilly and Jack.
That is all that matters.
Imo.

You might want to listen to his interview that you responded to.
He's responding to the first question he was asked during his polygraph.