CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[AddyFinch]

If the children were murdered on the property, I have to believe that they would have found some evidence and unless they have and have not shared it (I still think if this were the case they would have used the cadaver dogs) then I have to believe they feel the children are alive.

which brings us back to the question….did the kids return home evening of May 1? If not, they could have been killed elsewhere, and these two concocted the story of May2 lies. Interesting none of us find these two to be cold hard killers.
I will add IMO, if this was all a pre planned hoax/ grift/ hand off of the kids, then LE knows all about it now and would have brought someone back in for questioning and ended this charade. Enough is enough, thousands of wasted federal dollars on this? I don’t think so, but don’t get me going ongovt money!

 

[Ruby_PA]

Interesting we’ve discussed abduction every which way to Sunday, lost in woods til the cows come home, but never murder.

It has occurred to me that if mom wanted to get out of the situation she was in, and take only her baby with her... she could have done something, taken off and left him holding the ball. IMO.

 

[justice2962]

Can you provide an example (from approved MSM) of any of his shifting statements?

Here’s one example below



Post in thread 'Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5'
CANADA - Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5


Hopefully I didn’t mess this up, not sure of how to copy this…

 

[su5ie]

which brings us back to the question….did the kids return home evening of May 1? If not, they could have been killed elsewhere, and these two concocted the story of May2 lies. Interesting none of us find these two to be cold hard killers.
I will add IMO, if this was all a pre planned hoax/ grift/ hand off of the kids, then LE knows all about it now and would have brought someone back in for questioning and ended this charade. Enough is enough, thousands of wasted federal dollars on this? I don’t think so, but don’t get me going ongovt money!

I do find it interesting that we don't feel or up to now anyway believe either parent could be capable of murdering the children and are brazen enough to carry off a cover up .

I know outright accusations and possibly insinuations are not victim friendly but we seem to be taking it for granted that these people are truthful and don't have it in their personalities and are harmless . I do anyway .

It would be interesting from a behavioural analysis point of view why that is and what makes these parents more believable than say others who may be innocent but have spawned hundreds if not thousands of conspiracy theories speculating the parents involvement. Take the kate and gerry mccann , parents of maddie for example . Maybe that's a bad reference as they did leave the kids alone but you get what I mean or the Jon Bennett Ramsey case

 

[10ofRods]

I think the reason many of us assume abduction over murder is the queues from the RCMP. They just recently stated that this was still a missing persons investigation and, for me, the lack of deploying cadaver dogs leads me to believe the RCMP do not think the children are in the woods or on the property. If the children were murdered on the property, I have to believe that they would have found some evidence and unless they have and have not shared it (I still think if this were the case they would have used the cadaver dogs) then I have to believe they feel the children are alive. It's easier for me to believe (and hope) that they were abducted and are alive and well, then the alternative. I'm hopeful the reward will bring some new information to light, but I'm beginning lose hope in that as well.

How easy it to find cadaver dogs in that part of the world? We wouldn't know if arrangements are currently being made. In the first few days after death, it's not as productive to use cadaver dogs. However, the handlers really do need a definite place to search.

If RCMP think that they're not in the woods but are somewhere else, they need to find that place in order to use cadaver dogs.

Cadaver dog use needs to be justified and sensible. Not calling them out yet does not, to me, point directly to RCMP thinks the kids are alive.

A double abduction of children that age is exceedingly rare, but it *has* happened in the past. Whatever has happened, it's tragic.

Found it! It was the Summer Moon-Utah Wells case in Tennessee (now filed under Missing But Not Forgotten - 2000's). Many thanks to the WSers who have kept her thread going.

 

[10ofRods]

I do find it interesting that we don't feel or up to now anyway believe either parent could be capable of murdering the children and are brazen enough to carry off a cover up .

I know outright accusations and possibly insinuations are not victim friendly but we seem to be taking it for granted that these people are truthful and don't have it in their personalities and are harmless . I do anyway .

It would be interesting from a behavioural analysis point of view why that is and what makes these parents more believable than say others who may be innocent but have spawned hundreds if not thousands of conspiracy theories speculating the parents involvement. Take the maddie mccann case for example .

I'm with you. Statistically, the most likely scenario is murder-by-parent (as opposed to dual abduction, wandering off). The hand-off theory is interesting because of the specific facts of this case and the mom's tribal connections. However, it's hard for me to believe that someone in the band wouldn't have come forward with information about the children's whereabouts.

This reminds me of that case of the little girl, some years back, who was the subject of months of WS posts. The case where the mom had taken the kids swimming, to the grocery store and one of the "kids" was a teenage relative. Witnesses seemed to say that everyone came back from the swimming and the missing child was last seen asleep in the car. The parents lived in conditions that people here described as "squalor" or "disorganized," out in the woods somewhere.

I sure wish I could recall the name of the case. Nearly every cabin and house within 100 square miles was searched (there were so many theories here about stranger abduction, but no evidence of abduction was ever found).

 

[su5ie]

I'm with you. Statistically, the most likely scenario is murder-by-parent (as opposed to dual abduction, wandering off). The hand-off theory is interesting because of the specific facts of this case and the mom's tribal connections. However, it's hard for me to believe that someone in the band wouldn't have come forward with information about the children's whereabouts.

This reminds me of that case of the little girl, some years back, who was the subject of months of WS posts. The case where the mom had taken the kids swimming, to the grocery store and one of the "kids" was a teenage relative. Witnesses seemed to say that everyone came back from the swimming and the missing child was last seen asleep in the car. The parents lived in conditions that people here described as "squalor" or "disorganized," out in the woods somewhere.

I sure wish I could recall the name of the case. Nearly every cabin and house within 100 square miles was searched (there were so many theories here about stranger abduction, but no evidence of abduction was ever found).

Summer wells , I only recently read up on the case as it was mentioned in this thread for the similarities between the two .

I think in that case the parents were insinuated to be involved from the get go and I think it was actually the mom that got most of the finger pointing and similarly to here it was the dad doing the talking

 

[Slebby]

I think the reason many of us assume abduction over murder is the queues from the RCMP. They just recently stated that this was still a missing persons investigation and, for me, the lack of deploying cadaver dogs leads me to believe the RCMP do not think the children are in the woods or on the property. If the children were murdered on the property, I have to believe that they would have found some evidence and unless they have and have not shared it (I still think if this were the case they would have used the cadaver dogs) then I have to believe they feel the children are alive. It's easier for me to believe (and hope) that they were abducted and are alive and well, then the alternative. I'm hopeful the reward will bring some new information to light, but I'm beginning lose hope in that as well.

One thing the RCMP won’t do is speculate on scenarios not yet in evidence. It is still a missing persons investigation because that’s what they know for sure, the children are missing.
That’s a far cry from saying the children are still alive, imo.

 

[Sarahlou]

I do find it interesting that we don't feel or up to now anyway believe either parent could be capable of murdering the children and are brazen enough to carry off a cover up .

I know outright accusations and possibly insinuations are not victim friendly but we seem to be taking it for granted that these people are truthful and don't have it in their personalities and are harmless . I do anyway .

It would be interesting from a behavioural analysis point of view why that is and what makes these parents more believable than say others who may be innocent but have spawned hundreds if not thousands of conspiracy theories speculating the parents involvement. Take the kate and gerry mccann , parents of maddie for example . Maybe that's a bad reference as they did leave the kids alone but you get what I mean

We must have been reading different threads
I certainly don't think all posters think they've been truthful.
Personally I'd never think/say that either of them are harmless, because we don't know these people at all. JMO.

But I'm more on the side of being suspicious of them than not.

 

[derweezy]

which brings us back to the question….did the kids return home evening of May 1? If not, they could have been killed elsewhere, and these two concocted the story of May2 lies. Interesting none of us find these two to be cold hard killers.
I will add IMO, if this was all a pre planned hoax/ grift/ hand off of the kids, then LE knows all about it now and would have brought someone back in for questioning and ended this charade. Enough is enough, thousands of wasted federal dollars on this? I don’t think so, but don’t get me going ongovt money!

I am also not certain they returned that evening, but I don't believe either of them hurt the children and were able to dispose of every single shred of evidence, keep their stories consistent, and despite multiple people being questioned, even a polygraph administered have nothing come to light. I'm also still hung up on the fact that this is still a missing persons investigation. If I'm not mistake LE spoke with as many as 54 people and still nothing. I guess that is keeping my hope alive. Even the siting in town didn't produce any leads, there are so many cameras (door cams, dash cams, store security, traffic cameras, etc) you would think something would have been captured other than just the grocery store video.

I do agree that LE knows a lot more than they are sharing and maybe my hope that the kids will be found alive is clouding my judgement, but I'm going to cling to that hope until we know more.

 

[su5ie]

We must have been reading different threads
I certainly don't think all posters think they've been truthful.
Personally I'd never say that either of them are harmless, because we don't know these people at all. JMO.

But I'm more on the side of being suspicious of them than not.

I suppose what I meant was the majority whom felt parental involvement were suggesting the kids were removed for their safety or to aid in MBM's escape .

I was replying to Addyfinch and I suppose I spoke in the third person of we rather than I .

As a friend of mine says " what's with the 'WE" tonto . "Don't you mean you" In reference to the lone ranger series

So apologies for my broad generalisation

 

[Sarahlou]

I suppose what I meant was the majority whom felt parental involvement were suggesting the kids were removed for their safety or to aid in MBM's escape .

I was replying to Addyfinch and I suppose I spoke in the third person of we rather than I .

As a friend of mine says " what's with the 'WE" tonto . "Don't you mean you" In reference to the lone ranger series

So apologies for my broad generalisation

No need to apologise, I thought afterwards that you might just be referring to you and Addyfinch. So it was me who got it mixed up.

 

[ttjo]

I suppose what I meant was the majority whom felt parental involvement were suggesting the kids were removed for their safety or to aid in MBM's escape .

I was replying to Addyfinch and I suppose I spoke in the third person of we rather than I .

As a friend of mine says " what's with the 'WE" tonto . "Don't you mean you" In reference to the lone ranger series

So apologies for my broad generalisation

I use to think it may have been to get Daniel out of both her and meadows life. (the sudden break up , block on SM coupled with him saying he couldnt see meadow, made me wonder if there were allegations made against him ) I dont think that anymore.

Now I am back to asking why anyone would stage this? Safety or escape dont need an abduction plan. Could it be that it wasnt planned to be an abduction, just someone taking the kids and she would follow, but she got rattled. by something and panicked? Scared to explain ? Im basing that on 2 minute video of her , she seems so shy and meek and that she'd get rattled easily.
Maybe it wasnt planned as well as people think.

 

[Slebby]

From watching the behavior of DM and MBM when interviewed, I believe they may have guilty knowledge related to the disappearance. I’m trying to think of a scenario in which 1 or more third parties associated with DM and/or MBM are involved in abducting the children, and DM and MBM feel compelled to hide this association.
One possibility is the potential that DM or MBM (or both) are involved in illegal activity. Evidence I see in support of this possibility is their ability to survive on DM’s income alone. I personally am financially comfortable yet find the cost of basic necessities is getting high. But this household currently subsisted on DM’s pay for one shift per week. If I estimate generously, this could yield at best a max of about $1,000 per month income. Even with free housing (living in family-owned trailer) it would be difficult to make ends meet.
I also note that, while financially comfortable myself, I personally could not afford to buy or maintain an ATV. Yet DM owns one, which I am sure, even if purchased used, cost in the thousands. How does he afford it? Which makes me wonder/speculate if there is an alternate stream of income from criminal enterprise. I concede it is possible MBM has some sort of income stream.
If there is an association with a criminal element, even if MBM stood by while DM was involved in it, and it exposed her children to a dangerous element, it could be difficult for MBM to confess this to law enforcement, given that it could jeopardize her custody of her youngest daughter.
This might explain why MBM would go along with DM in terms of telling the same story about what happened that morning. It would also explain her hasty end to the relationship with DM. She may have found herself to be between a rock and a hard place.
This is just me casting about for possible scenarios.
IMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Here’s one example below



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Hopefully I didn’t mess this up, not sure of how to copy this…

I don't see this as him making any sort of shifting statement.

They were both sleeping, they both woke up and asked each other if they can hear the kids. From all I've read, they both said the same thing to each other. That story hasn't changed at all.

 

[tlcya]

in her version they are both dozing in and out and she wakes realizes she can't hear the children and "tells" him "Do you hear the kids?"

in his, they are both asleep, but not deep asleep mind you, and he wakes, doesn't hear the kids and wakes her and says to her "I don't hear the kids"

IMO these two narratives are different. Each claims responsibility for not hearing the children and rousing the other partner to make them aware.

JMO

 

[AddyFinch]

Back to practicality…small trailer, thin walls, no dog, no external noise except for birds. It’s early am, kids are 4 & 6. They are clumsy and noisy at that age.
There is no way an adult entered the trailer and took the kids. Not even a known family member without a pile of noise, noise that would alert someone to odd sound.
Those two kids had to leave in am totally noiseless to go outside, and remain silent until well clear of that trailer and yard.
Even if rummaging around in kitchen, then leaving silently.

So if they left on their own, they had a plan…play? Or running away?(don’t believe), or someone as outside coercing them out in total silence(don’t believe). Which leaves lost in woods or abducted (from backyard makes zero sense, from front yard is possible, but makes zero sense for a4&6 yr old to leave the play area in back to nothing infront)

Planned escape with kids also makes no sense, unless it was an emotional panicked exit, which she continues to perpetuate by not reporting.

If those kids came home May 1, then I think it was stranger abduction or murder imo. If they didn’t return evening before, then clearly a crime has been committed.
LE needs proof those kids came home

 

[Danaya]

So if they left on their own, they had a plan…play? Or running away?(don’t believe), or someone as outside coercing them out in total silence(don’t believe). Which leaves lost in woods or abducted (from backyard makes zero sense, from front yard is possible, but makes zero sense for a4&6 yr old to leave the play area in back to nothing infront)

Curious, why do you think it makes zero sense for someone to emerge from the railtrack or pipeline trail?

 

[su5ie]

Back to practicality…small trailer, thin walls, no dog, no external noise except for birds. It’s early am, kids are 4 & 6. They are clumsy and noisy at that age.
There is no way an adult entered the trailer and took the kids. Not even a known family member without a pile of noise, noise that would alert someone to odd sound.
Those two kids had to leave in am totally noiseless to go outside, and remain silent until well clear of that trailer and yard.
Even if rummaging around in kitchen, then leaving silently.

So if they left on their own, they had a plan…play? Or running away?(don’t believe), or someone as outside coercing them out in total silence(don’t believe). Which leaves lost in woods or abducted (from backyard makes zero sense, from front yard is possible, but makes zero sense for a4&6 yr old to leave the play area in back to nothing infront)

Planned escape with kids also makes no sense, unless it was an emotional panicked exit, which she continues to perpetuate by not reporting.

If those kids came home May 1, then I think it was stranger abduction or murder imo. If they didn’t return evening before, then clearly a crime has been committed.
LE needs proof those kids came home

Yes I do think for me to form a definitive opinion on what happened I would like to hear proof that they actually came home on the 1st of May

One thing that stands out for me if i were to speculate about whether they did come home that night is a statement from Maleyha

She states last night meaning the 2nd of may was terrible it was the first night they were not in their beds . Would she say this in the flow of conversation if they hadn't come home on the 1st of May ?

Maleyha's interview on the 3rd of may below

‘We just want them home’: Mother of missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County pleads for safe return

The mother of two missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County is pleading for their safe return.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[derweezy]

How easy it to find cadaver dogs in that part of the world? We wouldn't know if arrangements are currently being made. In the first few days after death, it's not as productive to use cadaver dogs. However, the handlers really do need a definite place to search.

If RCMP think that they're not in the woods but are somewhere else, they need to find that place in order to use cadaver dogs.

Cadaver dog use needs to be justified and sensible. Not calling them out yet does not, to me, point directly to RCMP thinks the kids are alive.

A double abduction of children that age is exceedingly rare, but it *has* happened in the past. Whatever has happened, it's tragic.

Found it! It was the Summer Moon-Utah Wells case in Tennessee (now filed under Missing But Not Forgotten - 2000's). Many thanks to the WSers who have kept her thread going.

According to AI the RCMP maintains a network of 12 HRD dog teams across Canada, with additional teams in training.

For me it's not so much not believing that either parent is capable of harming the children, it's more that in this day and age with so much technology and advancements in criminal investigations being able to go this long without being caught that I find hard to believe. Especially with them being apart...if she really wanted to leave him and she felt he did something to her children I can't see her not sharing those concerns being a safe distance from him.

DM has submitted to a polygraph (although these tests are not admittable in Canada), turned over his phone, and remained at the property available to the RCMP. I'm not certain he is completely innocent in their disappearance but I can't sell myself on he or the mother committing murder and not having it come to light by now.

Is it possible MBM arranged to have the children moved someplace safe as a distraction to get her and the new baby away from DM?