CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[SeleneD]

This is an American publication but perhaps we’re not quite the experts on black eyes as we might think? According to this, the cause of one black eye is commonly accidental, it’s two black eyes that are an indication of child abuse. However there aren’t any claims that I’ve noticed of either child having both eyes black at the same time.

Without other evidence, this supports DM’s explanation of the cause.
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Source:

https://popcenter.asu.edu/sites/g/files/litvpz3631/files/problems/child_abuse/PDFs/FarleyReece(2002).pdf

Personal experience : fell and hit my forehead, had stitches. Two black eyes arrived in full force about two days later. I had many people (strangers) for months asking me if I was abused and needed help as my face evolved through all colours of the rainbow.

 

[SeleneD]

If they were reporting that they were living as housemates and not a couple (common law) then him not filing his taxes (that we recently heard about) would have never affected her benefits. Housemates income & filing doesn't affect the benefits of another housemate. If common law, then 100% it affects her benefits.

If their status IS common law, it also means he's legally recognized as a step-parent as much as he would be if they were "officially" married.

Not that I think any of that really matters but that's generally how it works here.

jmo

I used to work as a social worker in the welfare system in another province.

Most provinces determine commonlaw (for social services purposes only) as two people who share resources... If there is a biological or adopted child shared between the two people AND they live together, in some provinces you must be considered commonlaw.

So someone just stating they're no longer in a relationship wouldn't matter, the social services system would still consider them dependent on one another because they're living together and share at least one child (biological, adopted) in their care. And if they didn't file their taxes, same thing... Actually both of their payments could be canceled or delayed if one doesn't file their taxes.

fwiw

 

[teeby]

Yes 5 speed means: a stick shift or manual transmission sometimes called a "standard" as opposed to an "automantic" vehicle.

Usually you have a clutch petal to use while switching gears (no idea if this is still the norm in newer vehicles, I haven't drove stick since the 2010 or so lol)...

So sometimes during gear switching, some people may over rev the engine (usually if unfamiliar with driving one) or get stuck in a gear and a rev may occur as well. They can sound different from an automatic depending how it's driven.

Wait what? 5 speed should refer to how many gears it has. Some stick shifts have 6 gears. Some automatics have 5. Is this a slang name?

 

[OneLove]

Vehicles coming & going throughout the night could mean a party (just because someone says there was no party doesn't mean there wasn't, imo) ; or someone(s) in a total panic.

I have my opinions about either scenario.

Question : Does a 5 speed mean a stick shift ?
Thanks in advance.
Omo.

My theory from the beginning has been that the kids ingested drugs of some kind, whether by intent or by accident. Maybe given for sleep? Maybe someone mistook something lethal for a different drug the kids had been given before. Maybe one person gave them something then another one did also, not knowing about the other.
The kids may have both been discovered about the same time and panic and resuscitation/first aid started immediately. Maybe one died first, generating a desperate call to *someone* who raced over on his atv to help then to remove the body. As the 2nd child was being worked on, the atv driver was busy with body removal, maybe bringing narcan, maybe anything that might help. Then the other children died and the atv was back to deal with that, returning afterwards to help cleanup and create a unified cover story. That could account for the multiple comings and goings through the night.

I wonder if the coming home visitation would have involved taking samples for drug testing. Anyone?

 

[AndrewM71]

Nobody calls an automatic a 5 speed even if it has 5 gears.

The person is using an imprecise term for a manual transmission whether it has 5, 6 or 7 gears.

 

[Alice Ramnit]

Nobody calls an automatic a 5 speed even if it has 5 gears.

The person is using an imprecise term for a manual transmission whether it has 5, 6 or 7 gears.

I've never heard that term either. Just an automatic or a standard vehicle...but then I'm a city person.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I've never heard that term either. Just an automatic or a standard vehicle...but then I'm a city person.

I've always called it a standard too, never 5 speed or manual. I've lived in city and smaller towns.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

is the neighbour's recollection of hearing a 5-speed vehicle the night before a red herring?

In my opinion the neighbor's story about hearing a 5-speed vehicle coming and going is probably very important evidence, not a red herring. I think the truth is slowly starting to come out.

I also believe M was wanting/trying to leave the relationship prior to the children going missing. She ended up leaving as soon as she could and hasn't looked back. Theirs wasn't a well-functioning, mostly happy household. JMO.

 

[Soulmagent]

Personal experience : fell and hit my forehead, had stitches. Two black eyes arrived in full force about two days later. I had many people (strangers) for months asking me if I was abused and needed help as my face evolved through all colours of the rainbow.

Sorry that happened to you !
Also glad I am not the only one who does these things to herself.

 

[OneLove]

My theory from the beginning has been that the kids ingested drugs of some kind, whether by intent or by accident. Maybe given for sleep? Maybe someone mistook something lethal for a different drug the kids had been given before. Maybe one person gave them something then another one did also, not knowing about the other.
The kids may have both been discovered about the same time and panic and resuscitation/first aid started immediately. Maybe one died first, generating a desperate call to *someone* who raced over on his atv to help then to remove the body. As the 2nd child was being worked on, the atv driver was busy with body removal, maybe bringing narcan, maybe anything that might help. Then the other children died and the atv was back to deal with that, returning afterwards to help cleanup and create a unified cover story. That could account for the multiple comings and goings through the night.

I wonder if the coming home visitation would have involved taking samples for drug testing. Anyone?

Whoops, mistook 5 speed for atv. Rookie move.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Whoops, mistook 5 speed for atv. Rookie move.

No! You might be onto something. I think atv's are considered 5 speed as well and they make atv's 5 speed.

Maybe that's what the neighbour meant then or what they all them in that area? No a usual vehicle being standard or automatic, but actually an atv.

Any locals or atv'ers out there know if 5 speed is another name/slang for atv?

 

[AndrewM71]

No! You might be onto something. I think atv's are considered 5 speed as well and they make atv's 5 speed.

Maybe that's what the neighbour meant then or what they all them in that area? No a usual vehicle being standard or automatic, but actually an atv.

Any locals or atv'ers out there know if 5 speed is another name/slang for atv?

The neighbour said a 5 speed car.

That isn’t an ATV.

 

[Sjöberg]

My theory from the beginning has been that the kids ingested drugs of some kind, whether by intent or by accident. Maybe given for sleep? Maybe someone mistook something lethal for a different drug the kids had been given before. Maybe one person gave them something then another one did also, not knowing about the other.
The kids may have both been discovered about the same time and panic and resuscitation/first aid started immediately.

With any kind of drug ingestion, I get stuck with the kids being different age, sex and weight. I also find it unlikely that medical help would not be called if one of the kids was still alive. And unlikely, that 2 different kids would die from overdose at the same time. And then there is the mess - the puke, the blood in puke, the pee and poo getting released after a person is dead... I feel like there would be some evidence of two overdose deaths happening in a household. I am not ruling it out, but for now, I have seen no evidence pointing towards this scenario and I see lack of evidence that I would expect in this scenario.

Right now what I think I know is:
* J&L are confirmed to be alive and in public on the afternoon of the 1st of May
* J&L are reported missing at around 10 AM on the 2nd of May
* A small child's bootprint was wound by the searchers on the pipeline clearing ca 1,2 km (0,75 miles) from the home. To date, no other person has claimed the print as possibly belonging to some non-missing small child instead.
* There might be prior CPS involvement with the family (?)
(I was adding it, but found no reliable MSM links, only social media, can anyone help me out with a source here, I might be just using wrong search terms)

 

[MistyWaters]

With any kind of drug ingestion, I get stuck with the kids being different age, sex and weight. I also find it unlikely that medical help would not be called if one of the kids was still alive. And unlikely, that 2 different kids would die from overdose at the same time. And then there is the mess - the puke, the blood in puke, the pee and poo getting released after a person is dead... I feel like there would be some evidence of two overdose deaths happening in a household. I am not ruling it out, but for now, I have seen no evidence pointing towards this scenario and I see lack of evidence that I would expect in this scenario.

Right now what I think I know is:
* J&L are confirmed to be alive and in public on the afternoon of the 1st of May
* J&L are reported missing at around 10 AM on the 2nd of May
* A small child's bootprint was wound by the searchers on the pipeline clearing ca 1,2 km (0,75 miles) from the home. To date, no other person has claimed the print as possibly belonging to some non-missing small child instead.
* There might be prior CPS involvement with the family (?)
(I was adding it, but found no reliable MSM links, only social media, can anyone help me out with a source here, I might be just using wrong search terms)

Globe and Mail website is paylocked most of the time.

Lilly and Jack Sullivan update: Grandma calls for inquiry...

Lilly and Jack Sullivan's grandmother called for a public inquiry into the disappearance of the children.

www.newsweek.com

Scott Armstrong, the minister responsible for child protection in Nova Scotia, said he has reviewed the children's file, according to The Globe and Mail.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

N.S. missing kids: Signs about Lilly and Jack Sullivan pop up as case remains unsolved | Globalnews.ca

As the search for the missing siblings continued, Kent Corbett felt he had to do something to keep the Sullivans’ story atop people’s minds.

globalnews.ca

"Kent Corbett’s family has lived in Pictou County for generations.

As the search for the missing siblings continued, he felt he had to do something to keep the Sullivans’ story atop people’s minds.

“I approached Advocate Printing, and I said we wanted a deal on making some election-style signs, and we went from there,” Corbett explained.

Over the last week, he and a group of like-minded folks have been taking sign orders with the proceeds from each sale going toward search and rescue efforts and more awareness materials.

Family members of Lilly and Jack Sullivan have ordered signs for their lawns, as well."

 

[LadyL]

dbm should've read ahead first

 

[shetalksinstereo]

Nobody calls an automatic a 5 speed even if it has 5 gears.

The person is using an imprecise term for a manual transmission whether it has 5, 6 or 7 gears.

I always call them tuner cars, b/c they have a whiny transmission noise. I live in a rural area and it's a distinct noise, lol.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The neighbour said a 5 speed car.

That isn’t an ATV.

Ok thank you! There are so many details I miss (or forget)! Appreciate you clarifying as I find it hard to keep up and remember it all

 

[su5ie]

N.S. missing kids: Signs about Lilly and Jack Sullivan pop up as case remains unsolved | Globalnews.ca

As the search for the missing siblings continued, Kent Corbett felt he had to do something to keep the Sullivans’ story atop people’s minds.

globalnews.ca

"Kent Corbett’s family has lived in Pictou County for generations.

As the search for the missing siblings continued, he felt he had to do something to keep the Sullivans’ story atop people’s minds.

“I approached Advocate Printing, and I said we wanted a deal on making some election-style signs, and we went from there,” Corbett explained.

Over the last week, he and a group of like-minded folks have been taking sign orders with the proceeds from each sale going toward search and rescue efforts and more awareness materials.

Family members of Lilly and Jack Sullivan have ordered signs for their lawns, as well."

Just read the article and in it it states ' The RCMP have reviewed 5000 hours of footage . Does this mean as I'm understanding it that they have finished reviewing the footage that was stated by them they were waiting to complete

 

[MistyWaters]

I was just reading about another missing persons case. The man went missing in July 2024 and seems his father never gave up searching throughout Cape Breton N.S., eventually finding his son’s body almost a year later in May 2025. Meanwhile back in December 2024 three people were charged for causing his death.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/justin-macdonald-human-remains-found-1.7545982

This other case brings to mind at least two thoughts about the disappearance of Lilly and Jack -
- in every missing persons case I’ve followed searching never stops like it has in this case of the missing children. It’s as if the onus is all on the RCMP and SAR, otherwise nobody is looking. I’d hope this will change once the wildfire risk lessens but months have already went by. As far as Daniel, public sentiment is so much against him, unfortunately he’d be fighting a losing battle if he continued the search. Malehya or her relatives, what of them? The bodies of the children are obviously somewhere. But there’s no indication they’re searching either. Grandparents talk to the media, better than nothing I suppose.
- some people believe there’s insurmountable evidence against one or both parent/step but the fore-mentioned case above is an example, if there’s evidence charges will be laid even if the bodies haven’t been discovered. In this case the RCMP have not as yet ever mentioned the words ‘homicide investigation’.

JMO