CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

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It will be interesting to see if msm is present and if family members turn up . I would imagine belynda might anyway and it would appear she is open to media interviews and photography

RCMP's officers might give a quick presser too as it is located at their detachment unit in Stellerton.

Is this the unit that has overseen the investigation?

Edited for spelling error

It would’ve been the unit that responded to the 911 call. But early on the investigation was taken over by the Major Crimes Unit at New Glasgow. Small town detachments don’t have the resources to become involved in anything beyond the ordinary day-to-day petty crime, drunk drivers etc.
 
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Young children like lilly and jack , in the general scheme of things are vulnerable to not being aware of danger and are unaware that the world is not a big safe playground . Which is why we as parents teach boundaries and issue reminders of safety perimeters.

But children will mimic what they see in front of them and if the adults in their lives are reckless and in particular their parents are living somewhat chaotic lives and don't have boundaries in place for themselves. Children can become more exposed to harm either from the dysfunctional adults around them or from the danger they themselves get into .

We see from the synopsis of the morning of the disappearance, the morning was somewhat not the norm of a stable ,functioning household. The children were more or less left to fend for themselves. Jack in particular imo needed adult attention that morning as he was in pull ups overnight.

We see from Maleyha's description of Thursday morning that the kids needed her to feed them breakfast and turn on the TV. So this little snippet tells me they weren't independent enough to do these simple things that prehaps a slightly older child might .

Daniel also give us an image of the kids prehaps needing reminders of what was acceptable protocol and what was not . He talks about the kids not paying heed to his constant reminders to close the sliding door . And not listening to their mother While this is somewhat normal for children so young . It also tells me the kids weren't coherent enough to be left alone for long periods of time while adults slept .

Sorry for the long post but I was cross referencing this case with others where young children have either died in the home or gone missing. And I noticed a few patterns.

When the children came to harm by the hand of a parent or danger they themselves got into because of circumstances in the family unit . The priors were the same . Concern from authorities, bruising in uncommon places such as the face ,buttocks , upper parts of limbs or neck . School absences , cps involvement, unkempt home or lack of personal hygiene , erratic employment status , no boundaries or lack of routine and addiction and one not so common but has been noted concern from family and or neighbours

I think this is why I find it difficult to judge the direction of this case And have faith and belief that what is claimed is truth .Some cases I would refrain from speculating as it is clear cut and nothing casts doubt but with so many of my tick list above being present , it is really hard to give benefit of no doubt .

Did the lifestyle allow the kids the opportunity to wander or did the lifestyle contribute to the kids being harmed ,that is the question that swims through my mind constantly and of the two conflicting thoughts . The answer is the same , wishing the rcmp would find something that shows what happened to the kids.

Edited to add . All JMO, and based on known factors in other cases and from analysis of former missing child cases of all ages and backgrounds
 
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I'm still conflicted on what happened that night, DM says he went to bed fairly early, MBM says she went to bed & said that DM was going to clean up the house for her, she doesn't know when he went to bed & when she woke up the house wasn't picked up. Did DM ever state that he was staying up to clean up the house? (Outside of MBMs statement on that, like to the officers or media etc)
Was this ever clarified?
Moo
 
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I'm still conflicted on what happened that night, DM says he went to bed fairly early, MBM says she went to bed & said that DM was going to clean up the house for her, she doesn't know when he went to bed & when she woke up the house wasn't picked up. Did DM ever state that he was staying up to clean up the house? (Outside of MBMs statement on that, like to the officers or media etc)
Was this ever clarified?
Moo
I think because it was stated in her interview with officers and included in documents. It can be just taken as her version of events on Thursday night . I don't think it can be clarified to the point of fact as she alone is witness to her account .

Same goes for Daniel's account it is his version of events.

It would appear imo only that neither of them give the same or similar version of happenings on Thursday night but that can be the case in many households neither parent really paying heed to what the other is doing . If you were to ask most men ( sorry for the gender bias ) what was going on they would probably just state the same as DM and most women will give a rundown list of what they did before going to bed .
 
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I’m not sure there needs to be a theatrical plot or dramatic story which you posted.

Previous CPS reports
Financial strain
Admitted substance use

I think we are all hopeful (as hopeful as we can be) that they wandered but it’s hard to ignore the basic obvious red flags

All three of these points are verified and have been admitted, so yes they are red flags.
There was much more information from DM than MBM.
I do wonder where LE is at this time; in their theories about Lilly and Jack and what actually might have happened ?
Photos for the most part seem to show healthy children however we know from following previous cases, pictures don't always tell the whole truth.
So there's that.

Hoping for answers and a break in this case soon !
Sadly I doubt precious Lilly and Jack are still alive.
Imo.
 
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I'm still conflicted on what happened that night, DM says he went to bed fairly early, MBM says she went to bed & said that DM was going to clean up the house for her, she doesn't know when he went to bed & when she woke up the house wasn't picked up. Did DM ever state that he was staying up to clean up the house? (Outside of MBMs statement on that, like to the officers or media etc)
Was this ever clarified?
Moo
I was also wondering about that.
DM does not seem the type to be a boyfriend who would be domestically inclined, but 'ya never know !
 
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Young children like lilly and jack , in the general scheme of things are vulnerable to not being aware of danger and are unaware that the world is not a big safe playground . Which is why we as parents teach boundaries and issue reminders of safety perimeters.

But children will mimic what they see in front of them and if the adults in their lives are reckless and in particular their parents are living somewhat chaotic lives and don't have boundaries in place for themselves. Children can become more exposed to harm either from the dysfunctional adults around them or from the danger they themselves get into .

We see from the synopsis of the morning of the disappearance, the morning was somewhat not the norm of a stable ,functioning household. The children were more or less left to fend for themselves. Jack in particular imo needed adult attention that morning as he was in pull ups overnight.

We see from Maleyha's description of Thursday morning that the kids needed her to feed them breakfast and turn on the TV. So this little snippet tells me they weren't independent enough to do these simple things that prehaps a slightly older child might .

Daniel also give us an image of the kids prehaps needing reminders of what was acceptable protocol and what was not . He talks about the kids not paying heed to his constant reminders to close the sliding door . And not listening to their mother While this is somewhat normal for children so young . It also tells me the kids weren't coherent enough to be left alone for long periods of time while adults slept .

Sorry for the long post but I was cross referencing this case with others where young children have either died in the home or gone missing. And I noticed a few patterns.

When the children came to harm by the hand of a parent or danger they themselves got into because of circumstances in the family unit . The priors were the same . Concern from authorities, bruising in uncommon places such as the face ,buttocks , upper parts of limbs or neck . School absences , cps involvement, unkempt home or lack of personal hygiene , erratic employment status , no boundaries or lack of routine and addiction and one not so common but has been noted concern from family and or neighbours

I think this is why I find it difficult to judge the direction of this case And have faith and belief that what is claimed is truth .Some cases I would refrain from speculating as it is clear cut and nothing casts doubt but with so many of my tick list above being present , it is really hard to give benefit of no doubt .

Did the lifestyle allow the kids the opportunity to wander or did the lifestyle contribute to the kids being harmed ,that is the question that swims through my mind constantly and of the two conflicting thoughts . The answer is the same , wishing the rcmp would find something that shows what happened to the kids.

Edited to add . All JMO, and based on known factors in other cases and from analysis of former missing child cases of all ages and backgrounds
very well thought out and articulated post.
 
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very well thought out and articulated post.
Thank you tlcya. It is my honest opinion and what I think about this case ,I tried not to come across as judgmental but to evenly weigh up the known facts
 
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Young children like lilly and jack , in the general scheme of things are vulnerable to not being aware of danger and are unaware that the world is not a big safe playground . Which is why we as parents teach boundaries and issue reminders of safety perimeters.

But children will mimic what they see in front of them and if the adults in their lives are reckless and in particular their parents are living somewhat chaotic lives and don't have boundaries in place for themselves. Children can become more exposed to harm either from the dysfunctional adults around them or from the danger they themselves get into .

We see from the synopsis of the morning of the disappearance, the morning was somewhat not the norm of a stable ,functioning household. The children were more or less left to fend for themselves. Jack in particular imo needed adult attention that morning as he was in pull ups overnight.

We see from Maleyha's description of Thursday morning that the kids needed her to feed them breakfast and turn on the TV. So this little snippet tells me they weren't independent enough to do these simple things that prehaps a slightly older child might .

Daniel also give us an image of the kids prehaps needing reminders of what was acceptable protocol and what was not . He talks about the kids not paying heed to his constant reminders to close the sliding door . And not listening to their mother While this is somewhat normal for children so young . It also tells me the kids weren't coherent enough to be left alone for long periods of time while adults slept .

Sorry for the long post but I was cross referencing this case with others where young children have either died in the home or gone missing. And I noticed a few patterns.

When the children came to harm by the hand of a parent or danger they themselves got into because of circumstances in the family unit . The priors were the same . Concern from authorities, bruising in uncommon places such as the face ,buttocks , upper parts of limbs or neck . School absences , cps involvement, unkempt home or lack of personal hygiene , erratic employment status , no boundaries or lack of routine and addiction and one not so common but has been noted concern from family and or neighbours

I think this is why I find it difficult to judge the direction of this case And have faith and belief that what is claimed is truth .Some cases I would refrain from speculating as it is clear cut and nothing casts doubt but with so many of my tick list above being present , it is really hard to give benefit of no doubt .

Did the lifestyle allow the kids the opportunity to wander or did the lifestyle contribute to the kids being harmed ,that is the question that swims through my mind constantly and of the two conflicting thoughts . The answer is the same , wishing the rcmp would find something that shows what happened to the kids.

Edited to add . All JMO, and based on known factors in other cases and from analysis of former missing child cases of all ages and backgrounds

Very thoughtful post. The other question is how much would’ve lifestyle in general have influenced their notion to wander (if they did). For example resided in a sparsely populated forested area, no playgrounds for neighbourhood children to gather, boredom?
 
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Very thoughtful post. The other question is how much would’ve lifestyle in general have influenced their notion to wander (if they did). For example resided in a sparsely populated forested area, no playgrounds for neighbourhood children to gather, boredom?
The lifestyle of a parent can affect how much unsupervised time a child has . Boundaries broken or none at all . Children don't mimic what they are told they do what they see . So if the adults engage in reckless behaviour because of boredom or rebound on Boundaries that they have previously stated . The child will also engage in those behaviours .

So for example and the one most common . Child As mum buys her a lollipop and a packet of crisps everyday and on day 8 ,mum has only money for a lollipop because she needs bread . Child throws tantrum and gets both items . Child learns Boundaries can be broken . What mammy said doesn't always mean it's true . Child learns no consequence to bold behaviour

Child B sees mum and dad engaging in excessive drinking and not attending work the next day and prehaps dad drives home with alcohol in his system. Child B has seen the ads saying this is wrong but thinks it must not apply to dad so therefore might not apply to them so when they think of risk they think that is another person's problem not theirs . So is more likely to engage in risk taking as they don't think danger applies to them .

In lilly and jacks case ,mbm stated she was being abused but yet she stayed there . She also rebounded on threats to leave . So in the eyes of a child this is giving a message of risk is normal and Boundaries are to be broken . So lifestyle contributed to their feeling it was OK to go outside alone and venture further than was allowed because mommy broke rules all the time and she survived . Stepdaddy did bad things but their was no consequence so if we sneak out there will be no consequence for us until there was

The phrase monkey see monkey do comes to mind .
 
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""I will never stop searching for my children until they are found and brought home safe and sound. Someone, somewhere, knows something so please bring my babies home." Brooks-Murray wrote....

Another post on Sunday Oct. 26 confirmed Jack was going to be turning 5 years old on Oct. 29, adding that a candlelit vigil would be held to mark the occasion at Stellarton RCMP Detachment."
Replying to my own post to note that their mother recently said this on her Facebook post -- "Someone, somewhere, knows something..."

Which IMO, implies she now thinks they might not have just "wandered" into the woods surrounding the property, as was supposed or thought of as the most likely explanation when they first disappeared.

So perhaps if at first she believed Lilly and Jack could have wandered off into the woods and then couldn't be found by SAR teams and the ongoing investigation has solidified this belief...

She now believes something else could have happened to them that someone, somewhere knows about, and she is now pleading publicly for someone who knows something to come forward, and hopes they will be found and returned to her.

JMO, hoping her pleas and LE's continuing hard work investigating all possibilities & upcoming volunteer searches will generate new leads, and Lilly and Jack will be found as soon as is humanly possible.
 
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Replying to my own post to note that their mother recently said this on her Facebook post -- "Someone, somewhere, knows something..."

Which IMO, implies she now thinks they might not have just "wandered" into the woods surrounding the property, as was supposed or thought of as the most likely explanation when they first disappeared.

So perhaps if at first she believed Lilly and Jack could have wandered off into the woods and then couldn't be found by SAR teams and the ongoing investigation has solidified this belief...

She now believes something else could have happened to them that someone, somewhere knows about, and she is now pleading publicly for someone who knows something to come forward, and hopes they will be found and returned to her.

JMO, hoping her pleas and LE's continuing hard work investigating all possibilities & upcoming volunteer searches will generate new leads, and Lilly and Jack will be found as soon as is humanly possible.
Thanks, Twistinginthewind, you’ve touched on something I’ve been thinking about as well.
“Someone, somewhere, knows something”. She has stated something that is contrary to the police position that this case is not criminal in nature. By definition, if a mother has missing children, if she has no idea where they are, or if they’re even alive, and someone knows where they are, this is criminal.
I wonder how investigators feel about this comment. It would be interesting to know the level of interaction she has had with LE, and if they are at odds in terms of what they believe has happened to L and J.
Imho
 
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Thanks, Twistinginthewind, you’ve touched on something I’ve been thinking about as well.
“Someone, somewhere, knows something”. She has stated something that is contrary to the police position that this case is not criminal in nature. By definition, if a mother has missing children, if she has no idea where they are, or if they’re even alive, and someone knows where they are, this is criminal.
I wonder how investigators feel about this comment. It would be interesting to know the level of interaction she has had with LE, and if they are at odds in terms of what they believe has happened to L and J.
Imho
I agree, and have wondered too if MBM putting this out there on SM recently (after not saying anything at all publicly for months/since the first few days) was encouraged or supported by LE or not, or is independent of the results of the investigation in terms of being an update on her beliefs alone.

Acknowledging reading between the lines is subjective and just wondering.

JMO
 
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Thanks, Twistinginthewind, you’ve touched on something I’ve been thinking about as well.
“Someone, somewhere, knows something”. She has stated something that is contrary to the police position that this case is not criminal in nature. By definition, if a mother has missing children, if she has no idea where they are, or if they’re even alive, and someone knows where they are, this is criminal.
I wonder how investigators feel about this comment. It would be interesting to know the level of interaction she has had with LE, and if they are at odds in terms of what they believe has happened to L and J.
Imho

Didn't Daniel say something similar when he was being interviewed by Aly Thomson?
 
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Thanks, Twistinginthewind, you’ve touched on something I’ve been thinking about as well.
“Someone, somewhere, knows something”. She has stated something that is contrary to the police position that this case is not criminal in nature. By definition, if a mother has missing children, if she has no idea where they are, or if they’re even alive, and someone knows where they are, this is criminal.
I wonder how investigators feel about this comment. It would be interesting to know the level of interaction she has had with LE, and if they are at odds in terms of what they believe has happened to L and J.
Imho

The RCMP also said they had no evidence to indicate the children are dead so it’s no surprise that the mother would hang on to every shred of hope that the children are somewhere out there. As they’re not runaway teenagers nor old enough to survive on their own, asking for someone who knows something to come forward is a reasonable train of thought.

I don’t think anyone perceives her words are conflicting with the investigation unless she knows more than she’s saying. She’s expressing her pain and anguish, previously she’s been heavily criticized for not reaching out.
JMO
 
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Didn't Daniel say something similar when he was being interviewed by Aly Thomson?
Sometimes I think this case is ilke a bad movie plot and even bad script.

I feel even DM's comments sound a bit cliché or like he's watched too many movies and maybe even MBM's words too a bit. Not trying to judge as I am mostly neutral to both of them. I think possible they have no idea how to behave in this situation like most people wouldn't but some comments sound like pulled from a TV show or movie. MOO JMO
 
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""I will never stop searching for my children until they are found and brought home safe and sound. Someone, somewhere, knows something so please bring my babies home." Brooks-Murray wrote....

Another post on Sunday Oct. 26 confirmed Jack was going to be turning 5 years old on Oct. 29, adding that a candlelit vigil would be held to mark the occasion at Stellarton RCMP Detachment."
Oh that's heartbreaking, happy birthday little Jack 😢
 
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Today would be jacks 5th birthday ,he should be celebrating with his bio and step siblings , and his classmates singing a happy birthday tune to him . So sad to think he is not

Happy birthday little man where ever you are 🩵🩷
 
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I imagine LE have looked at any deliveries in that area during the timeframe the kids went missing.

I remember that case of the child abducted from their own driveway from a delivery driver in minutes and so many more stories where it happens from a neighbour close by.

But I go back to my original thought if this was abduction it was someone semi-known to the children that they didn't hesitate going with them.
 
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I wish forensics could identify any DNA evidence tied to the pink blanket.
 

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