CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[su5ie]

I’m thinking about the independent search planned by the volunteer missing persons group (Please Bring Me Home?)
Has anyone seen updates as to when they will be searching, or indeed, if the search is already underway? The search was planned for November, iirc.
And a question for Nova Scotians, or indeed, maritimers in general, what can be expected weather-wise in the upcoming days? Is this search even feasible, or are they going to run out of time? I’m in Alberta, and bracing myself for winter to show her face any day.

IMO

It's due to snow

 

[Ontario Mom]

I’m thinking about the independent search planned by the volunteer missing persons group (Please Bring Me Home?)
Has anyone seen updates as to when they will be searching, or indeed, if the search is already underway? The search was planned for November, iirc.
And a question for Nova Scotians, or indeed, maritimers in general, what can be expected weather-wise in the upcoming days? Is this search even feasible, or are they going to run out of time? I’m in Alberta, and bracing myself for winter to show her face any day.

IMO

Cold & wet. Pictou, NS - 7 Day Forecast - Environment Canada

 

[bajaflash]

Something else I’m wondering, as I do everything in my power to avoid housework, lol.

WRT to polygraph exams. If an individual has a good lawyer, could that lawyer advocate for certain questions to be omitted from the examination? I am wondering about the polygraph examinations of both MBM and DM, which, according to the released court documents, indicates they were asked 4 questions. I realize this is likely in addition to initial questions establishing a baseline, maybe to help them become comfortable. But 4 specific questions related to the disappearance seems low. So I wonder, as a condition of agreeing to a polygraph, could a lawyer state that certain questions are off-limits? For example, because there are no bodies, could a lawyer argue that no questions could be asked around involvement in their death, since death is not established?
On another note, it would be interesting to know what sort of legal representation they have. I would guess MBM has a better lawyer who has advised her strongly to stay out of the public eye. Perhaps DM, not so much?
IMO

Polygraph questions are supposed to be kept to a minimum from what i remember, so 4 questions sounds about right imo

 

[su5ie]

Polygraph questions are supposed to be kept to a minimum from what i remember, so 4 questions sounds about right imo

We know one of DMs was did you kill lilly and jack

<modsnip: Hypotheticals take threads off the rails>

 

[su5ie]

Polygraph questions are supposed to be kept to a minimum from what i remember, so 4 questions sounds about right imo

I think it's actually four types of questions
And 4 can be asked in each category and must be posed to give yes/ no answers

Baseline , is your name *** ?Do you live at ** ? Are you x years old ? Is your shoe size x ? Establishes rapport and physiological stability

Control question , did you ever raise your voice to **** ?Did you ever steal from ****? Have you ever been unfaithful to your wife ? Do you and your partner argue ? Have you ever taken drugs ? Establishes truthfulness from dishonesty


Relevant , did you kill *** ? Did you drown **? Did you harm ***? Did you dispose of ? Establishes truth from lying


Irrelevant/ did you love X ? Did you hug X ?did you provide for X ? Did you look for X ? Are you an emotional person ? Etc

Edited because I pressed post too quickly

 

[FromGermany1]

I guess one theory could be that the woman led them down the path, towards the road. As they walked, she had Lily change into different clothing, and put Lily’s hair in pigtails. Presumably, she would've done this as a disguise for when they reached an area that potentially had more people.

Idk, who arranged that change of clothing and hairstyle, but someone did, I think. It would make sense, if the children got prepared to meet the curled hair woman, holding the car back door open and waiting. Maybe, the children even had a shower before at someone's home. MOO

 

[Bigditch]

Idk, who arranged that change of clothing and hairstyle, but someone did, I think. It would make sense, if the children got prepared to meet the curled hair woman, holding the car back door open and waiting. Maybe, the children even had a shower before at someone's home. MOO

A six year old could surely dress herself, and possibly pack a few other valued possessions. Sparkly pink whatnots. The shower part does not seem plausible to me.

 

[FromGermany1]

A six year old could surely dress herself, and possibly pack a few other valued possessions. Sparkly pink whatnots. The shower part does not seem plausible to me.

I'm wondering about the hairstyle, which the witnessed girl had (I forgot the specific term) and which maybe wasn't done by herself. I only had seen photos of Lilly with open hair, and therefore I stumbled over the "braids". MOO

 

[su5ie]

I'm wondering about the hairstyle, which the witnessed girl had (I forgot the specific term) and which maybe wasn't done by herself. I only had seen photos of Lilly with open hair, and therefore I stumbled over the "braids". MOO

The witness claimed to have seen a older girl and younger boy between 9.00am and about 9.30 am ( not sure of exact time )

She stated the girl was approximately 9 or 10 years old but in her intial statement she said 8 . She described the young girl has having dark hair tied in either pigtails or 2 braids . And wearing a blue t shirt or strap top with strings .

Interestingly she described the younger boy quite well and very well matched to a description of jack , light coloured hair ,his correct age and him being younger than the girl .

The witness was travelling with two sons , it does not state the age of the two boys but I'm going to speculate and assume they were of school going age . I was thinking that prehaps she was better at gauging the boys age as that is what is familiar to her .

We know from press releases the children were not always dressed appropriately for the season. So a description of a young girl in a top without a coat would possibly sway me into believing this could be lilly .

If we look at the road and the timing where she claims to have witnessed what she did , on the balance of probability would it be a coincidence that two children of opposite genders at similar time to when lilly and jack allegedly go missing and they also dressed inappropriately for the weather and boy is younger than the girl would walk along this very isolated and scarcely populated road when the majority of other children would have already gotten the school bus

Coincidence or unusual?

I really would like to know if surveillance on this has been as throughly investigated as the alleged vehicle . Because I think this was lilly and jack ,the witness in question just got the age wrong . So do we rule it out because age was not approximated correctly or do we include it on the balance of probability?

 

[su5ie]

I feel the kids were either opportunistically abducted or a planned escapade by someone who knew them in order to save them from further abuse . If it was a plan ,I think the kids knew prior and that is why lilly was checking in and out of the bedroom to see if the coast was clear .

I've followed this case from the first week and nothing else makes sense to me atm .

If we look at all the released information as a whole , the excitement the night before and morning of ,the checking in and out of the bedroom, the clothes from Thursday unchanged into pj's. The inconsistencies in timelines , mbm leaving the search area so soon , the alluding from multiple family members from all sides that they are alive and not in the woods , the priors , the fact mbm was supposed to leave 2 weeks prior , all of jack and Lilly's clothing laundered but unpacked and untouched from Wednesday , the missing backpack , dogs unable to find a scent trail , and cadaver dogs unable to detect any remains odours and searchers finding very little to go on and all the technology used in the search turning up nothing either .

The picture it paints is not indicating a wandering that resulted in misadventure imo

 

[Slebby]

The witness described the 2 children with the woman and the gold car. She thought the boy looked 5, which is only about a half year off of J’s age. I agree it’s possible, as a boy mom, she’s possibly not experienced at guessing the age of girls.
As for the clothes - I don’t have the impression that DM and MBM were too on top of things in their home. They may not have perfect recall of L’s wardrobe. In addition to this, there were 2 other kids visiting the trailer - DM’s first 2 kids. It might be possible that L latched onto a piece of clothing belonging to the girl (iirc these 2 kids are a boy and a girl?)

It’s possible LE has identified that woman and 2 children and it has simply not yet been reported in the media. But if the lead is still outstanding, it does make me wonder if a theory can come together as to how L and J came to be in that location. Were they taken from their home or roadside, then brought to a rendezvous place by someone? The woman didn’t report any other adults around, as one might expect in a handoff. If it was L and J, what might have happened between their home and the roadside where they were sighted?
IMO

 

[tlcya]

I feel the kids were either opportunistically abducted or a planned escapade by someone who knew them in order to save them from further abuse . If it was a plan ,I think the kids knew prior and that is why lilly was checking in and out of the bedroom to see if the coast was clear .

I've followed this case from the first week and nothing else makes sense to me atm .

If we look at all the released information as a whole , the excitement the night before and morning of ,the checking in and out of the bedroom, the clothes from Thursday unchanged into pj's. The inconsistencies in timelines , mbm leaving the search area so soon , the alluding from multiple family members from all sides that they are alive and not in the woods , the priors , the fact mbm was supposed to leave 2 weeks prior , all of jack and Lilly's clothing laundered but unpacked and untouched from Wednesday , the missing backpack , dogs unable to find a scent trail , and cadaver dogs unable to detect any remains odours and searchers finding very little to go on and all the technology used in the search turning up nothing either .

The picture it paints is not indicating a wandering that resulted in misadventure imo

I can see how you arrived at your conclusion. I am not convinced but you explain your line thinking well.

I think Lily popping in to the adults' bedroom several times was because she and Jack were being left to their own devices. Probably hungry, possibly even unaware they were not being sent to school that day, because neither adult reports interacting with them in any meaningful way that morning. What bother me I guess is that I don't buy the kids are sick story. I think mommy was tired after a long day and didn't want to get up and get them ready for the bus. If one of the children was genuinely sick I guess the argument can be made that the reported "cough" could be heard throughout the night and therefore MBM knew without getting up to check on her two eldest that she was keeping at least one home so why not both. But nobody got up to address the needs of either child, sick or not? That troubles me, especially if one or both were sick or still getting over a bug.

As does the children not being changed into PJs although not as much because it does sound like a busy long day was had and I myself have on occasion allowed my littles to simply fall out wearing their day clothes. Although MBM reported putting both to bed and her version of that doesn't suggest they were sleeping already when she did so.

As to the children maybe knowing they were going on a secret adventure, at their ages, with their rambunctious natures, could they really be trusted with such a secret? I don't know that I think that any adults who knew these children and were part of some planned "extrication" from the property would be able to trust them with that information. Not to mention why on earth would they still be hidden? To what end? With all this publicity and a huge investigation going on?

I cannot recall where but I have read that it wasn't uncommon for Lily to have her backpack close at hand. No time to find a link so take it as a rumor if you want, but it tracks for me. Children like to have pockets and purses and backpacks IME to collect and keep close their "treasures"

I don't think they were abducted (stranger danger/random)

I don't think they were spirited away by some adult known to them (extended family member)

I don't think they wandered (although this and the next are to me the most likely answers at this point)

I think they are in those woods still, not alive, and I feel they didn't get there by themselves ( most likely IMO)

and I don't know that they will ever be found unless it is by happenstance a decade or more from now and that makes me very sad. I wish I believed your theory as it would mean the children are still alive somewhere, Jack collecting bugs, Lilly squealing with delight at something. But I don't

 

[Mauig’ma]

I can see how you arrived at your conclusion. I am not convinced but you explain your line thinking well.

I think Lily popping in to the adults' bedroom several times was because she and Jack were being left to their own devices. Probably hungry, possibly even unaware they were not being sent to school that day, because neither adult reports interacting with them in any meaningful way that morning. What bother me I guess is that I don't buy the kids are sick story. I think mommy was tired after a long day and didn't want to get up and get them ready for the bus. If one of the children was genuinely sick I guess the argument can be made that the reported "cough" could be heard throughout the night and therefore MBM knew without getting up to check on her two eldest that she was keeping at least one home so why not both. But nobody got up to address the needs of either child, sick or not? That troubles me, especially if one or both were sick or still getting over a bug.

As does the children not being changed into PJs although not as much because it does sound like a busy long day was had and I myself have on occasion allowed my littles to simply fall out wearing their day clothes. Although MBM reported putting both to bed and her version of that doesn't suggest they were sleeping already when she did so.

As to the children maybe knowing they were going on a secret adventure, at their ages, with their rambunctious natures, could they really be trusted with such a secret? I don't know that I think that any adults who knew these children and were part of some planned "extrication" from the property would be able to trust them with that information. Not to mention why on earth would they still be hidden? To what end? With all this publicity and a huge investigation going on?

I cannot recall where but I have read that it wasn't uncommon for Lily to have her backpack close at hand. No time to find a link so take it as a rumor if you want, but it tracks for me. Children like to have pockets and purses and backpacks IME to collect and keep close their "treasures"

I don't think they were abducted (stranger danger/random)

I don't think they were spirited away by some adult known to them (extended family member)

I don't think they wandered (although this and the next are to me the most likely answers at this point)

I think they are in those woods still, not alive, and I feel they didn't get there by themselves ( most likely IMO)

and I don't know that they will ever be found unless it is by happenstance a decade or more from now and that makes me very sad. I wish I believed your theory as it would mean the children are still alive somewhere, Jack collecting bugs, Lilly squealing with delight at something. But I don't

Agree

 

[Slebby]

I think they are in those woods still, not alive, and I feel they didn't get there by themselves ( most likely IMO)

and I don't know that they will ever be found unless it is by happenstance a decade or more from now and that makes me very sad. I wish I believed your theory as it would mean the children are still alive somewhere, Jack collecting bugs, Lilly squealing with delight at something. But I don't

<rsbm>
I go around in circles over what might have happened. When I land on this conclusion, that they are still in the woods and not alive, I get very sad and discouraged. If they’re out there, imo, it’s because someone placed them somewhere far and remote, and they’re unlikely to be found. If you look at aerial footage of the area, it is vast, densely treed, mostly unpopulated. It would take a miracle to find them.
No wonder we often find ourselves fantasizing about mysterious saintly rescuers whisking them away to a secret life.
IMHO

 

[TMich6811]

<rsbm>
I go around in circles over what might have happened. When I land on this conclusion, that they are still in the woods and not alive, I get very sad and discouraged. If they’re out there, imo, it’s because someone placed them somewhere far and remote, and they’re unlikely to be found. If you look at aerial footage of the area, it is vast, densely treed, mostly unpopulated. It would take a miracle to find them.
No wonder we often find ourselves fantasizing about mysterious saintly rescuers whisking them away to a secret life.
IMHO

And if they are found there will be little evidence to show what happened

 

[sunspun]

The witness claimed to have seen a older girl and younger boy between 9.00am and about 9.30 am ( not sure of exact time )

She stated the girl was approximately 9 or 10 years old but in her intial statement she said 8 . She described the young girl has having dark hair tied in either pigtails or 2 braids . And wearing a blue t shirt or strap top with strings .

Interestingly she described the younger boy quite well and very well matched to a description of jack , light coloured hair ,his correct age and him being younger than the girl .

The witness was travelling with two sons , it does not state the age of the two boys but I'm going to speculate and assume they were of school going age . I was thinking that prehaps she was better at gauging the boys age as that is what is familiar to her .

We know from press releases the children were not always dressed appropriately for the season. So a description of a young girl in a top without a coat would possibly sway me into believing this could be lilly .

If we look at the road and the timing where she claims to have witnessed what she did , on the balance of probability would it be a coincidence that two children of opposite genders at similar time to when lilly and jack allegedly go missing and they also dressed inappropriately for the weather and boy is younger than the girl would walk along this very isolated and scarcely populated road when the majority of other children would have already gotten the school bus

Coincidence or unusual?

I really would like to know if surveillance on this has been as throughly investigated as the alleged vehicle . Because I think this was lilly and jack ,the witness in question just got the age wrong . So do we rule it out because age was not approximated correctly or do we include it on the balance of probability?

It does sound like them to me. Especially when you consider that no one ever stepped up and said, "Oh, that was me and my children...: Was this publicized enough so that you would expect that whoever it was, would have heard it on the news? Even if they weren't local to the area, I would've thought they would have heard about it.

Would it be rare for someone just passing thru town to be parked there where the witness said she saw them? Is this a connecting road/highway between towns that non-locals would be traveling on?

 

[su5ie]

I can see how you arrived at your conclusion. I am not convinced but you explain your line thinking well.

I think Lily popping in to the adults' bedroom several times was because she and Jack were being left to their own devices. Probably hungry, possibly even unaware they were not being sent to school that day, because neither adult reports interacting with them in any meaningful way that morning. What bother me I guess is that I don't buy the kids are sick story. I think mommy was tired after a long day and didn't want to get up and get them ready for the bus. If one of the children was genuinely sick I guess the argument can be made that the reported "cough" could be heard throughout the night and therefore MBM knew without getting up to check on her two eldest that she was keeping at least one home so why not both. But nobody got up to address the needs of either child, sick or not? That troubles me, especially if one or both were sick or still getting over a bug.

As does the children not being changed into PJs although not as much because it does sound like a busy long day was had and I myself have on occasion allowed my littles to simply fall out wearing their day clothes. Although MBM reported putting both to bed and her version of that doesn't suggest they were sleeping already when she did so.

As to the children maybe knowing they were going on a secret adventure, at their ages, with their rambunctious natures, could they really be trusted with such a secret? I don't know that I think that any adults who knew these children and were part of some planned "extrication" from the property would be able to trust them with that information. Not to mention why on earth would they still be hidden? To what end? With all this publicity and a huge investigation going on?

I cannot recall where but I have read that it wasn't uncommon for Lily to have her backpack close at hand. No time to find a link so take it as a rumor if you want, but it tracks for me. Children like to have pockets and purses and backpacks IME to collect and keep close their "treasures"

I don't think they were abducted (stranger danger/random)

I don't think they were spirited away by some adult known to them (extended family member)

I don't think they wandered (although this and the next are to me the most likely answers at this point)

I think they are in those woods still, not alive, and I feel they didn't get there by themselves ( most likely IMO)

and I don't know that they will ever be found unless it is by happenstance a decade or more from now and that makes me very sad. I wish I believed your theory as it would mean the children are still alive somewhere, Jack collecting bugs, Lilly squealing with delight at something. But I don't

Yes I can definitely see a happenstance discovery if they are in the woods .

My hypothesis above is only workable from the standpoint of the search being so meticulously done and the children not wandering further than the search area of 4km . It is worth noting it was the biggest search effort seen in those parts ever under taken .

I don't know if I believe they are still alive and I do think whatever the scenario they are possibly no longer with us .

You mention children that young possibly not being able to keep a secret . Unfortunately plenty of children of that age group have and do keep secrets for differing reasons , from being told to not divulge things that happen in the home like addiction or DV to teachers ,granny's or friends etc to those that suffer SA and are told repeatedly not to tell or harm will become them . Children also have a seemingly vigilant attitude and fearful demeanour to keeping secret that which may get them into trouble . So not beyond the realms of belief that Jack and lilly may have been used to keeping secrets and had some tutoring in the art of untruths . For example and hypothetically speaking jack recieves a black eye and he is told if teacher asks, lilly gave it to you .

If the kids are in the woods . The question I ask is , why wander from a yard where they were occupied on swings and had toys within the trailer that they could play with . It was cold and prehaps damp outside . They had the Fort they liked to play at ,why venture so far into the forest that they could not be found .

There is one reason I can think of them venturing further than this " safety net " Hypothetically if fear of a parent has been instilled in a child and that child has done something they are not allowed to do such as breaking a previous set boundary. That child will be overcome with fear when the adult they fear happens to discover or about to discover what they have done and those type of children will actively avoid the confrontation to avoid punishment. So I can see a scenario where upon them being called for frantically, they ventured further and further into the woods everytime the feared voice got closer and they hid under something or they got into difficulties in the terrain and became injured but could not be heard when they called out .

 

[su5ie]

It does sound like them to me. Especially when you consider that no one ever stepped up and said, "Oh, that was me and my children...: Was this publicized enough so that you would expect that whoever it was, would have heard it on the news? Even if they weren't local to the area, I would've thought they would have heard about it.

Would it be rare for someone just passing thru town to be parked there where the witness said she saw them? Is this a connecting road/highway between towns that non-locals would be traveling on?

The only other reason I can think of a motorist stopping and holding the door open as two kids approached . If it was not jack and lilly And it's fairly innocent and if anyone has young children I can almost guarantee it has happened at least once .

Younger child is bursting for a wee ,can't hold it older child is entrusted to bring sibling just off road to go . While adult remains with vehicle in case road traffic cop happens upon their vehicle parked in a no parking / stopping zone

 

[su5ie]

It does sound like them to me. Especially when you consider that no one ever stepped up and said, "Oh, that was me and my children...: Was this publicized enough so that you would expect that whoever it was, would have heard it on the news? Even if they weren't local to the area, I would've thought they would have heard about it.

Would it be rare for someone just passing thru town to be parked there where the witness said she saw them? Is this a connecting road/highway between towns that non-locals would be traveling on?

I do find it strange that if it was ruled out and this lady came forward that it has not been stated publicly like the release of the speculated vehicle on Thursday night / Friday early hours

 

[su5ie]

Sorry for my third post in a row but I don't want to keep editing.

Can anyone show on a map the exact location of this gold / tan sedan in relation to the trailer Please, just to get a visual perspective of how much distance there is between them and the property.