CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[musicaljoke]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... the searching in water right from the first moment they realized they were missing, this does not ring true for me. Myself, I wouldn’t panic with the first thought “drowned in water!” Rather I would go to different areas where they might go, calling their names. Then I’d go a bit further. When I started to feel really worried, I might wonder about water.
IMHO

I'd go to the water first because that's where the greatest risk would be.

 

[Slebby]

I’ve been following another missing persons case, that of 14 year old Samuel Bird, missing from Edmonton since June 1, and presumed murdered.
Samuel’s remains were found yesterday west of Edmonton by LE in an a search area they had identified through their investigation.
I’ve just finished watching the press conference related to that case from earlier today. Something that stood out to me, spoken once by the police chief and again by the lead detective - “not all police work is done in the public eye”

I believe this to be the case here, in the case of Jack and Lilly. LE does not owe the public a full accounting of all the facts of the case. Yet they are often criticized by an impatient public, hoping for full disclosure and quick resolution.
Seeing one case solved has given me new confidence in LE to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Jack and Lilly.
IMHO

 

[abanddb123]

U guys are gonna think I'm ridiculous, but I just watched a live feed of klieninvestations, it was about deorr kunz. Anyway, different case, but I just learned so much of science, courts, and laws that go on behind these scenes of investigations. It was really interesting! One thing this investigator says, is time is on their side. And if u watch it, it makes sense. We just have to be patient on this case. I really do think there is so much going on and they have to do it right the first time. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Ursa Major]

DM says he turned on the light at midnight to check on kids. Could it be said to get ahead in case someone saw the light on at midnight? Just a thought.

 

[Firstsnow4]

New article from CBC

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-children-court-documents-car-vehicle-9.6943179

Am I reading this right - “[Justin Smith] later spoke with Brad Wong who informed him Daniel's vehicle came and went five or six times that night. Wong said the car Smith heard was Daniel.”

The other neighbour Brad said “the vehicle would drive off in the distance and he could hear it stop and then return. He said it remained in earshot the entire time.”

So a neighbour is saying it was Daniel’s car that came and went 5 or 6 times that night? And wherever it went it wasn’t far. And Maleya didn’t know what time Daniel came to bed or what he was doing that night?

And all this happened the night before the kids disappeared?!

Smells fishy to me. JMO.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

DM says he turned on the light at midnight to check on kids. Could it be said to get ahead in case someone saw the light on at midnight? Just a thought.

You don’t turn a children’s room
Light on to check on them IMO. Why would you do that

 

[twomoresmores]

I may be wrong and may have missed bits but DM and MBM reported to LE that they thought the children had been abducted? And DM has maintained that to this day? Yet his first response was to go through the woods and pools of water looking for them. So is he saying as a result of not finding them in his initial search, they therefore must have been taken? Or did he always feel they'd been abducted but perhaps had been taken into the woods? Hence looking there first. Yet part of Lily's blanket was found in the woods. Is this discrepancy more of things just not adding up?

 

[Hexe]

You don’t turn a children’s room
Light on to check on them IMO. Why would you do that

Depends on how strong is the light and how sensitive the children are to it.

 

[TMich6811]

1 person hearing a car is coincidence, 2 hearing it is suspicious

I’m certain if Daniel’s car had a distinct sound then the neighbors know it. I experience this personally. I believe it’s likely this was accurate which leads me to these next couple thoughts related to the redacted statements and someone coming/going

I find it interesting that Daniel so specially notes that he always had his phone when he leaves his house so that M can track him pushing the idea that he always had it pg 17. That would make sense if he did leave and didn’t want them to know - though he also notes on page 15 that when he left to search he didn’t even take his Phone

Pg 7 says M heard kids but Daniel never really woke up Pg 9 says that M was up and heard the kids in her room so she took Meadow back to her room so she could sleep. This would not match if the kids left by car. She says she didn’t hear them first and Daniel says he didn’t hear them first. But this report is a bit different than what Daniel has said as himself hearing them and how he reported it on pg 15 and 17 of docs and

‘The house is just silent’: Stepdad speaks out as exhaustive search for missing N.S. children enters fifth day

The stepfather of two missing children in a rural area of Nova Scotia’s Pictou County is speaking out as the exhaustive search for the children enters its fifth day.

www.ctvnews.ca

I wonder if one of these folks is the redacted witness on page 23

I also wonder if all of the times in the report from that am are redacted because they easily don’t make sense

In the article about being heard he makes sure to note that he took M’s vehicle to search and that vehicle is silent https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...hildren-court-documents-car-vehicle-9.6943179

Lilly and Jack Sullivan Documents - 1 — the Canadian Gothic

searcn and seizure application related to telephones belonging to Daniel and Malehya

thecanadiangothic.com

 

[su5ie]

So a couple of points that are interesting and I'm wondering how they can all fit into the theory of a wandering and how we might explain them as irrelevant when looking at the case from this theory?


Vehicle heard coming and going and also stopping at a point by not one alleged by DM disgruntled neighbour but by two neighbours. Where both disgruntled?

Reports of a party being held the Thursday night by a neighbour alleged by DM to be taking the heat off themselves . Is this a separate neighbour to the two above or a report made by either of the two mentioned?

A pink blanket belonging to lilly found in two separate places approximately 1km from the property, one piece wound around a spruce tree and one near the pipeline trail . Could this be a reason why a vehicle was heard stopping?

DM states he didn't know what lilly and jack where wearing as they were beneath the blankets when he turned on the light to check on the kids ? Why the need to turn on a light , was seeing their form beneath the blankets not enough ? How did he see well enough to make his way to the kids divided bedroom, was there a light on or could he see well enough in the dark to make his way there and if either a light was on or he could see well enough why the need to turn a light on in the kids bedroom and possibly disturb two sleeping children ?

DM states he was repairing a fence the evening before , was this after Maleyha, went to bed as she states she doesn't know what he was doing and there was no mention of this by her when describing the Thursday evening?

JM states her brother Ron rang at 8.48am to ask if she wanted to go to town ,she declined and it was the minutes inbetween her phonecall and falling asleep that she states she heard lilly and jack . But yet Maleyha had attempted to ring her mum before this to state the kids were missing presumably? Was this missed call to CM at 8.38 am , ( will look in document for exact timestamp ) mbm also rang her grandmother that morning, will check time on that too . So if the phonecall by Maleyha to her mum was before 8.48 am how did janie hear the kids at the time she states ?

JM mentions raking for a pool , if the kids were not in bed at this time , did they partake in helping step nanna as one bootprint was located in this area ?? Maleyha or DM never mentions this activity done by JM but they state the family spent the evening after dollarama at home .

Is there a water area near the railway station line ? Do trains run during the night ? One neighbour mentions the railway line when reporting about a vehicle coming and going ??

Lilly had a black eye that was said to come from a tonka truck on the Wednesday while laundry was being done , did this happen in the car ? As the documents state DM waited in the car with the children ? And at one point I seem to recall he waited in the car because the children may have been sleeping???

Maleyha states lilly slept with the missing white coloured and strawberry printed backpack, DM talked about this backpack possibly being brown now , he stated this in one of his early interviews that we discussed in thread #2 or thread #3 . Was this because it was old or was it because he assumed the kids would have it dirty from being lost in the woods ? This statement seems premature if we consider DM and MBM feel the kids were abducted???

All above just musings from memory recall of details reported from may 2nd to present day contained and linked previously in threads #1 to current thread and all reported in msm

 

[sunspun]

Did Daniel specify what light he turned on at midnight to check on the sleeping kids? If he didn't specifically say it was their room light, maybe he meant a hallway light he turned on to see his way to the kids' room to check on them.

 

[Hexe]

Did Daniel specify what light he turned on at midnight to check on the sleeping kids? If he didn't specifically say it was their room light, maybe he meant a hallway light he turned on to see his way to the kids' room to check on them.

Also, we should remember they live in a remote area, without much of light pollution. So, when it's dark it is pitch black outside and it is quite possible he had to turn some light on to be able to see anything in the room.

 

[Sarahlou]

DM says he turned on the light at midnight to check on kids. Could it be said to get ahead in case someone saw the light on at midnight? Just a thought.

It seems an unnecessary detail. Especially given his claims that he saw/heard them in the morning.

 

[Hexe]

It seems an unnecessary detail. Especially given his claims that he saw/heard them in the morning.

How is it unnecesary? Police asked both Malehya and Daniel what the kids wore to bed, so he had to explain why he did not know it. So how is it unnecessary?

 

[otto]

It has always bothered me that the father got up in the morning, couldn't find the children, got dressed and left the property in a vehicle. Almost everyone who has children has temporarily misplaced them because they are hiding, not visible, or out of earshot. I have, and I have temporarily misplace a dog as well. I always walk in the direction that seems most likely, never got in the car as a first option.

It's almost as though Daniel's decision to take the car and drive around was a reflex. Hard to explain, but it's as though he knew that they were taken by car, and reflexively took the car to look for them even though it makes more sense to first walk around the property.

I've wanted to give the benefit of the doubt to the father from the beginning, and was reassured by his lie-detector tests (even though they are unreliable). Additionally, his declaration that the children were alive and well in the morning is confirmed by the children's mother.

However, independent statements from neighbours puts parent statements in question. Why didn't parents report a noisy vehicle? Did anyone else on the property report the noisy vehicle?

"Brad Wong, who lives near the home, told them he heard a “loud vehicle” coming and going from that area in the early morning hours of May 2.
...

Justin Smith said he was awake during the early hours of May 2. Around 1:30 a.m., he heard a car on Highway 289 turn around by the railroad tracks near the area of Gairloch Road and Lansdowne Station Road."
CBC

pg 18; Lilly and Jack Sullivan Documents - 1 — the Canadian Gothic

 

[otto]

How is it unnecesary? Police asked both Malehya and Daniel what the kids wore to bed, so he had to explain why he did not know it. So how is it unnecessary?

Doesn't it seem unusual to turn lights on to check that quiet, sleeping children in their dark bedrooms are asleep? Turning lights on means that they might be woken up, which is the last thing parents want to do in the middle of the night.

Don't the children put on their pyjamas at bedtime, and is it that hard to figure out what their pyjamas look like? How does turning on a light and seeing children asleep relate to getting children ready for bed and wearing pyjamas?

 

[Inthedetails]

Doesn't it seem unusual to turn lights on to check that quiet, sleeping children in their dark bedrooms are asleep? Turning lights on means that they might be woken up, which is the last thing parents want to do in the middle of the night.

Don't the children put on their pyjamas at bedtime, and is it that hard to figure out what their pyjamas look like? How does turning on a light and seeing children asleep relate to getting children ready for bed and wearing pyjamas?

I find it very odd, tbh. A mantra for me when I had young kids was don't wake a sleeping child - or do anything to risk waking a sleeping child. Why the need to check on them anyway? If there was a need to check on them, you can do that even in the dark of a rural home by keeping a light on in a distant room and simply making out the shapes.

Yes, I find it odd that he turned on a light to check on sleeping kids, and in the morning they were misssing.

jmopinion

 

[Megnut]

I learned something from these threads called presplaining, credit another poster.

It's when a perpetrator of a crime tells a narrative that ties (known and unknown) evidence together.

Confirming the children were sleeping, providing a possible explanation for vehicling, the backpack, the sweaters.

I'll let you decide if you think there's any of that happening here.

JMO

 

[otto]

I find it very odd, tbh. A mantra for me when I had young kids was don't wake a sleeping child - or do anything to risk waking a sleeping child. Why the need to check on them anyway? If there was a need to check on them, you can do that even in the dark of a rural home by keeping a light on in a distant room and simply making out the shapes.

Yes, I find it odd that he turned on a light to check on sleeping kids, and in the morning they were misssing.

jmopinion

Not only that, but when asked about their pyjamas, he responded by talking about turning lights on in the middle of the night. It doesn't answer the question, but instead provides an illogical excuse for not knowing what they wore to bed.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Doesn't it seem unusual to turn lights on to check that quiet, sleeping children in their dark bedrooms are asleep? Turning lights on means that they might be woken up, which is the last thing parents want to do in the middle of the night.

Don't the children put on their pyjamas at bedtime, and is it that hard to figure out what their pyjamas look like? How does turning on a light and seeing children asleep relate to getting children ready for bed and wearing pyjamas?

It depends. It could have been a hall light or bathroom light he turned on. I always checked on my kids at night and almost always had to turn some sort of light on so I could actually see into their rooms. That doesn't seem unusual at all to me.