CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

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Well it would appear there is nothing to reveal and if the rcmp are asking mum if potential evidence is relevant, I don't know what to think as regards the condition of the investigation
Maybe them asking her is an interrogation technique? I can’t imagine a police force relying strictly on family feedback.
I only read that stayed on the car. Is there a link to reports that children were in the car the whole time? I’ve never seen that but so little has happened lately I may have forgotten.
I read that in a globe and mail article - pay wall. I had to get a subscription. But, it says it’s info from rcmp reposrts that were released. I wish I could read the reports, but can’t seem to find them. Maybe only available to media?
 
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Maybe them asking her is an interrogation technique? I can’t imagine a police force relying strictly on family feedback.

I read that in a globe and mail article - pay wall. I had to get a subscription. But, it says it’s info from rcmp reposrts that were released. I wish I could read the reports, but can’t seem to find them. Maybe only available to media?
Interesting angle re interrogation technique

Re kids waiting in car with Daniel on laundry day Wednesday. I recall thinking if they were in the car the whole time ,who's car did Maleyha take to go with meadow to collect the plate and why did DM go at all ? Why did he not stay at home

Now here's were the entanglement happens , there is so much noise on social media and with it being so long since an update has happened , I'm unsure of where this info came from . But I do recall something along the lines of DM saying he stayed in the car because the kids were sleeping

I've two hours to delete this so if a kind poster can yay or nay I would welcome verification of factual or rumour
 
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Re: kids and Daniel staying in the car - See post 2221 by me.

TLDR - It wasn't laundry day they stayed in the car, it was the day after. They waited in the car while MBM went to [redacted] as per the released docs. I still want to know what [redacted] is!
 
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Interesting angle re interrogation technique

Re kids waiting in car with Daniel on laundry day Wednesday. I recall thinking if they were in the car the whole time ,who's car did Maleyha take to go with meadow to collect the plate and why did DM go at all ? Why did he not stay at home

Now here's were the entanglement happens , there is so much noise on social media and with it being so long since an update has happened , I'm unsure of where this info came from . But I do recall something along the lines of DM saying he stayed in the car because the kids were sleeping

I've two hours to delete this so if a kind poster can yay or nay I would welcome verification of factual or rumour
Honestly, I thought it was at the Dollarama. Kids in the car being kids, Daniel outside talking to a buddy from work. Employee at the store recalls hearing the kids outside in the car, but claims he never saw them.
Jmo
 
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Honestly, I thought it was at the Dollarama. Kids in the car being kids, Daniel outside talking to a buddy from work. Employee at the store recalls hearing the kids outside in the car, but claims he never saw them.
Jmo
Can you link to the source for this please?
 
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Can you link to the source for this please?
It's in the docs re Daniel speaking with a colleague from work in the carpark

It was he who stated he was speaking with Daniel and Maleyha in the carpark on the Thursday and that he seen others in the car and could hear kids but did not specifically see L&J nor did he state if by others he meant the children

I will see if I still have documents on file for you to see the info yourself if you don't mind waiting TiA

If not the documents have been linked numerous times in the first 60 pages of this thread


Found it

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It's in the docs re Daniel speaking with a colleague from work in the carpark

It was he who stated he was speaking with Daniel and Maleyha in the carpark on the Thursday and that he seen others in the car and could hear kids but did not specifically see L&J nor did he state if by others he meant the children

I will see if I still have documents on file for you to see the info yourself if you don't mind waiting TiA

If not the documents have been linked numerous times in the first 60 pages of this thread


Found it

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Thanks Su5ie! It is incredibly hard to hold all the info in my head in chronological order.
 
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Thanks Su5ie! It is incredibly hard to hold all the info in my head in chronological order.
You've got to keep receipts 😅

Too much info and cases for anyone to recall perfectly so I understand
 
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Honestly, I thought it was at the Dollarama. Kids in the car being kids, Daniel outside talking to a buddy from work. Employee at the store recalls hearing the kids outside in the car, but claims he never saw them.
Jmo
Agreed, that's what I'd read as well ?

To be fair to the employee, what employee really pays attention to kids in the car ?
Also--- if this is the verified sighting of the kids the day before they went "missing", holy crap----that's not proof AT ALL.
Who knows if they were seen if we only have the employees' word that they heard them, from the day before ??
This would throw a lot of monkey wrenches into the confusion and give some serious confusion to the events as they unfolded ?
IF the store employee thinks they may have heard the kids in the car, that is not a verified sighting.

Not saying LE are wrong or mishandled anything, but if this is what they are banking on (employee thinks they heard them but did not see them) that the kids were alive and well the day before, that's concerning.
Not throwing shade at the Dollarama employee at all; just saying verification on their word only can be 'iffy'.

IF they were spotted alive and well , and walking around/moving (& not 'sleeping' if you get my drift ?) on camera, I wish LE would produce that footage to the media.
This case is growing cold and I feel badly that there's not much movement.
Possibly interest could be renewed if both parents could hold a press conference and beg for the safe return of the kids ?
At least the bio grandma of Lilly and Jack is still speaking out.
Imo.
 
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It's in the docs re Daniel speaking with a colleague from work in the carpark

It was he who stated he was speaking with Daniel and Maleyha in the carpark on the Thursday and that he seen others in the car and could hear kids but did not specifically see L&J nor did he state if by others he meant the children

I will see if I still have documents on file for you to see the info yourself if you don't mind waiting TiA

If not the documents have been linked numerous times in the first 60 pages of this thread


Found it

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Big thank you for posting this, @su5ie !

After following this sad case nearly from its' inception; it now sounds like there is no verified video footage from the day before they went missing, just an employees' word ?

Also, it might sound questionable to some and not casting aspersions at all on LE, this may be standard practice for them to say there was a verified sighting based solely on an employee who didn't see them but heard children's voices in the car and saw people ?

I snipped a quote from your link :

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Big thank you for posting this, @su5ie !

After following this sad case nearly from its' inception; it now sounds like there is no verified video footage from the day before they went missing, just an employees' word ?

Also, it might sound questionable to some and not casting aspersions at all on LE, this may be standard practice for them to say there was a verified sighting based solely on an employee who didn't see them but heard children's voices in the car and saw people ?

I snipped a quote from your link :

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Yes there was security footage from the Dollarama. This report notes 2:45pm, others 2:25pm n
and iirc the docs state the Dolarama sighting was at 2:25pm. Regardless Daniel’s coworker stated he talked to Daniel in the parking lot between 11:30and 12:30am on May 1st so either he was mistaken about who he spoke with, he got the time all wrong or the Sullivan family was at the Dollarama twice but I’d say the sighting is unverified if the timing doesn’t match the video footage.
JMO

BBM
“The last time Jack and Lilly were confirmed to have been seen in public was the day before, at 2:45 p.m. at the Dollarama in New Glasgow. The children had been off school that day due to coughs. They, Martell and Brooks-Murray are on security camera footage at the store.”


The children were on video surveillance at the Dollarama in New Glasgow, a town about 20 kilometres northeast of Lansdowne Station, at 2:25 p.m. on the Thursday before their disappearance.”
 
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Big thank you for posting this, @su5ie !

After following this sad case nearly from its' inception; it now sounds like there is no verified video footage from the day before they went missing, just an employees' word ?

Also, it might sound questionable to some and not casting aspersions at all on LE, this may be standard practice for them to say there was a verified sighting based solely on an employee who didn't see them but heard children's voices in the car and saw people ?

I snipped a quote from your link :

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After speaking with his Co worker ,the children and parents were observed on camera in store . AFAIK

The children were not observed by independent witnesses outside of family after this cctv as far as known information

Cyndy Murray stated she observed them on video call at about 4 .40 pm . The exact time of the call is in the documents


The part about the Co worker Edmund Dixon that I would like to know in more detail is he stated he seen other people in the car and heard children . Did he mean other adults , other children or J&L
 
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Yes there was security footage from the Dollarama. This report notes 2:45pm, others 2:25pm n
and iirc the docs state the Dolarama sighting was at 2:25pm. Regardless Daniel’s coworker stated he talked to Daniel in the parking lot between 11:30and 12:30am on May 1st so either he was mistaken about who he spoke with, he got the time all wrong or the Sullivan family was at the Dollarama twice but I’d say the sighting is unverified if the timing doesn’t match the video footage.
JMO

BBM
“The last time Jack and Lilly were confirmed to have been seen in public was the day before, at 2:45 p.m. at the Dollarama in New Glasgow. The children had been off school that day due to coughs. They, Martell and Brooks-Murray are on security camera footage at the store.”


The children were on video surveillance at the Dollarama in New Glasgow, a town about 20 kilometres northeast of Lansdowne Station, at 2:25 p.m. on the Thursday before their disappearance.”
Thanks for these links
 
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Agreed, that's what I'd read as well ?

To be fair to the employee, what employee really pays attention to kids in the car ?
Also--- if this is the verified sighting of the kids the day before they went "missing", holy crap----that's not proof AT ALL.
Who knows if they were seen if we only have the employees' word that they heard them, from the day before ??
This would throw a lot of monkey wrenches into the confusion and give some serious confusion to the events as they unfolded ?
IF the store employee thinks they may have heard the kids in the car, that is not a verified sighting.

Not saying LE are wrong or mishandled anything, but if this is what they are banking on (employee thinks they heard them but did not see them) that the kids were alive and well the day before, that's concerning.
Not throwing shade at the Dollarama employee at all; just saying verification on their word only can be 'iffy'.

IF they were spotted alive and well , and walking around/moving (& not 'sleeping' if you get my drift ?) on camera, I wish LE would produce that footage to the media.
This case is growing cold and I feel badly that there's not much movement.
Possibly interest could be renewed if both parents could hold a press conference and beg for the safe return of the kids ?
At least the bio grandma of Lilly and Jack is still speaking out.
Imo.
Quoting myself to say I still think LE need to release any and all video footage.
What were the kids wearing ?
Same clothes they vanished in ?
It's growing cold and any video evidence LE have they need to start releasing it, imo.
 
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I still can’t believe there’s no movement on these two beautiful children. It seems like le aren’t getting anywhere. If they are they sure are keeping info close to their vests and not letting anyone know anything. Curious minds want to know…
 
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Quoting myself to say I still think LE need to release any and all video footage.
What were the kids wearing ?
Same clothes they vanished in ?
It's growing cold and any video evidence LE have they need to start releasing it, imo.
Yes I believe it may be helpful in locating the children if they were picked up futher afield. As this is a possibility

Even with a wandering being the main hypothesis any number of the other things could have happened. Once the children were away from the yard and within the forest ,a crime could have been committed by anyone who came across them .

Trafficking, kidnap for sexual abuse , anything even some hunter shooting them by an accident. It doesn't have to be hunting season for someone to go hunting ,poaching exists and people breaking the hunting laws or someone shooting on their own land for animal protection

I assume the rcmp saying the case is not criminal in nature means the parents are not responsible but with no leads of anything else and with no concrete evidence of a wandering from searches . It can definitely do no harm to release any footage of the children that day .

Unless of course there is someone within that footage that is being investigated as a suspect
 
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Quoting myself to say I still think LE need to release any and all video footage.
What were the kids wearing ?
Same clothes they vanished in ?
It's growing cold and any video evidence LE have they need to start releasing it, imo.

LE have told the public what they think the children were wearing when they disappeared. IMO far too much time has passed for video evidence from May to be useful eight months later. Perhaps there’s other people, including clerks and customers, captured the video who don’t want their image put to the public for scrutiny? I know that wouldn’t exactly thrill me.

I think this case will continue to be quiet until more ground searches can be conducted in the spring.
JMO
 
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LE have told the public what they think the children were wearing when they disappeared. IMO far too much time has passed for video evidence from May to be useful eight months later. Perhaps there’s other people, including clerks and customers, captured the video who don’t want their image put to the public for scrutiny? I know that wouldn’t exactly thrill me.

I think this case will continue to be quiet until more ground searches can be conducted in the spring.
JMO
Bbm.
Re. the 2nd bolded : All they would need to do is to blur them.
That would be an easy solution, would it not ?

Re. the 1st bolded : Actually, there might be a different take on that, and this is why : Were they wearing the exact clothes they 'vanished' in ?
Seeing the video could be very important.
This to me might mean something happened (wandered) soon after they arrived home.
Whether it be wandering or something else, which we don't know. LE seemed to have ruled out an abduction, so that's off the table.
Were they wearing regular slip-ons, or laced up-type shoes, or their boots ?
There was mention that both kids liked wearing their boots.

Also if they disappeared in daytime clothing, that might mean no one helped them put their pajamas on, or that they wandered off early that evening before any bedtime rituals (snack, potty, bath, jammies, storytime, etc.).
We know what time the 911 call about their going missing came in, we still do not know what time they actually vanished, and that is troubling.

If they vanished between 8pm and midnight, DM could have driven around looking for them until the 911 call came in.
The neighbors heard vehicle movement that night but it's not been proven whose car was being driven.
The case may be growing cold to many including LE; but I still have questions.
Imo.
 
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Yes I believe it may be helpful in locating the children if they were picked up futher afield. As this is a possibility

Even with a wandering being the main hypothesis any number of the other things could have happened. Once the children were away from the yard and within the forest ,a crime could have been committed by anyone who came across them .

Trafficking, kidnap for sexual abuse , anything even some hunter shooting them by an accident. It doesn't have to be hunting season for someone to go hunting ,poaching exists and people breaking the hunting laws or someone shooting on their own land for animal protection

I assume the rcmp saying the case is not criminal in nature means the parents are not responsible but with no leads of anything else and with no concrete evidence of a wandering from searches . It can definitely do no harm to release any footage of the children that day .

Unless of course there is someone within that footage that is being investigated as a suspect
Emphasis mine.
Great point.
I hadn't considered that.

This case may be going cold but I still want Lilly and Jack found, and answers.
There have been many solved crimes in the past where LE said it was not a criminal case, all while they were patiently building a case.
This was to not, 'alarm' the people they were looking at.
So we wait.
However it helps to ask questions as it keeps this case alive, and it doesn't hurt to put on our 'sleuthing caps' as that's why we're all here.

It helps to know small things like clothing and routines.
Or if those routines are altered --since if Lilly and Jack had wandered off sooner and not later, routines would be thrown into chaos while they were looking for them.
Just something to think about ?
Omo.
 
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