NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[Sunshynn]

Besides, why should he plead guilty when the charges are not consistent with charges for other single murders. NY says 2nd degree murder is for everyone except Luigi who dared to kill a guy being investigated for insider trading to the tune of many millions. While UHC tries to threaten ppl taking their babies and loved ones to the emergency room, by saying they won't pay for emergency room visits that don't meet their algorithm.

I get that BT was the face of UHC but he's not the only person who worked there and was literally a cog in the, albeit, pretty broken wheel of the health care system in general.
However, while BT and others like him deserved some kind of justice or 'Christmas Carol' like redemption - vigilante justice is not something that I think any of us in a modern society should be able to get behind. MOO.
I agree with your point that 2nd degree murder (according to NY) fits this circumstance more, but, with all due respect, I can't agree with the dehumanizing of the true victim regardless of what he may have been being investigated for and what he did as a job.
All jmo.

 

[girlhasnoname]

"Luigi Mangione
pleads Not Guilty
to terrorism charges."

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Luigi Mangione speaks in court over terrorism charges for CEO shooting

The suspected UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin sported a smart look as he was brought into court in Manhattan.

www.dailymail.co.uk

How sad is it that story lead with 'he (LM) sported a smart look'. What? What does fashion have to do with anything. Ugh.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

On the contrary, he went to great lengths to hide his identity and distance himself from his family. I don't think he did it for personal fame. He (wrongly) thought it was the way to bring attention to an important cause.

Any cause would have fit his purposes, as long as it "checked the boxes." He wasn't a rebel with a cause, he was a rebel looking for a cause. Any cause would do, IMO, but it had to fit his narcissistic goals. He was an egotistical rich kid who had the money to work full time on researching causes that would meet his criteria to become famous and known as the one who solved the problem. He idolized fame, he longed for fame, no matter if it was Pythagoras or Ted Kaczynski and he chose the path taken by the latter.

 

[sunspun]

I wonder if LE found more propaganda or writings of LM's that supported the terrorism charge? Did he plan on doing this again to another Industry CEO? There's so much we just don't know yet.

JMO

Yes, I was wondering if they'd served a search warrant on some other place that he might have considered or used as his home, or if they were planning to. Usually, when a suspect is arrested away from his home, LE get a warrant and search his home, sometimes even before the suspect makes it into the jail. I don't recall hearing about them searching any residence in LM's case, but maybe there is no home to search.

Where exactly had LM been staying immediately before he went to NY and checked into the hostel? Does LE even know this yet? Where exactly are all his belongings? Did he get rid of it all? Was what he had on him in NY all that he had anywhere? Would LE consider searching the room he grew up in at his childhood home? If there are other journals or writing of his of any sort somewhere, I'm sure LE wants to see them.

And did LM own a vehicle of any kind currently? I'm thinking he may have sold his vehicle and most other belongings of his to finance this NY trip.

 

[NuttMegg]

I get that BT was the face of UHC but he's not the only person who worked there and was literally a cog in the, albeit, pretty broken wheel of the health care system in general.
However, while BT and others like him deserved some kind of justice or 'Christmas Carol' like redemption - vigilante justice is not something that I think any of us in a modern society should be able to get behind. MOO.
I agree with your point that 2nd degree murder (according to NY) fits this circumstance more, but, with all due respect, I can't agree with the dehumanizing of the true victim regardless of what he may have been being investigated for and what he did as a job.
All jmo.

I didn't dehumanize him.

 

[Sunshynn]

I didn't dehumanize him. And I don't support murder

I apologize if I misread your intention.
I understand the anger at the health care system - in general. It should not be up to one person (or company) to be able to decide the fate of another human.
Edited to add: If nothing else, this has (good or bad) opened up dialogue about the health insurance system and that a change is needed in some shape or form. I don't agree with what LM did (nor do I agree that a company should be able to decide what's needed above and beyond a persons pcp) but it has opened dialogue.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes of course, what do they call that, collusion? One of the links I posted yesterday showed that the rate that UHC denies post acute care to elderly stroke victims increased drastically under BT. Iirc ~7% denial in 2019 to ~22 % denial under BT.

I won't speak to collusion as I don't think it is appropriate here.

What I will say with certainty is that it's a shame that anyone - regardless of age, race, or social status be denied necessary, life saving medical treatment, especially for profit.

Everyone, all of us, should be entitled to that basic human right.

JMO

 

[NuttMegg]

How sad is it that story lead with 'he (LM) sported a smart look'. What? What does fashion have to do with anything. Ugh.

MOO

Lol! We agree here. Maroon sweater, orange tennies.

 

[Sundog]

There was a huge public presence outside the courthouse today too, which of course won't be shown and will be played down

Good. We don't need to give this guy any more attention than he deserves. In and out of court, back to federal jail, and put the focus back where it belongs, on the victim.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

If you see the MSM footage of LM going into court he is blatantly playing the camera. When he's coming out of court he's asked if he has anything to say and his none verbal reaction is going to feed the masses for an age... He knows what he's doing and so does his Lawyer. Personally, I don't blame them, if the state of NY wants to turn a basic murder trial into a clown show then why not play the game too so to speak.

I've just seen footage too of inside the courtroom of her handing what looks to be printouts of letters and what she says is a picture to him, and the huge (overkill) mass of guards around him discuss what he can and cannot take back with him.

The whole thing is cuckoos nest

BBM - It was giving involuntary facial movements almost. Really strange! MOO

 

[Jw192]

Good. We don't need to give this guy any more attention than he deserves. In and out of court, back to federal jail, and put the focus back where it belongs, on the victim.

Tell that to the the NY mayor and his cronies who seem to just love giving him utterly nutso attention when they're surrounding him parading him about when they're in swat gear like he's Hannibal Lecter

 

[Arkay]

Besides, why should he plead guilty when the charges are not consistent with charges for other single murders. NY says 2nd degree murder is for everyone except Luigi who dared to kill a guy being investigated for insider trading to the tune of many millions. While UHC tries to threaten ppl taking their babies and loved ones to the emergency room, by saying they won't pay for emergency room visits that don't meet their algorithm.

IMO he should plead guilty because he IS guilty and there is no denying it. Not only that he’s on camera, but when ranting to the police he defended his actions by shouting out about doing this for Americans.

I can see his lawyers having him plead NG to terrorism, because that’s about all his lawyers can do in this case. Everything else is not debatable.

I imagine in LM’s own mind, he’s not guilty of any crime, because (in hippie parlance) he was “sticking it to the Man.”

That BT headed a corporation that caused misery, that BT apparently was involved in insider training, does not give a person the right to kill him.

Is this the Wild West? Are we doling out frontier justice now?

There are many politicians, both here in NY and across America, whose policies I vehemently oppose and who I believe are making NYC and America a worse place to live. Do I have the right to slaughter them?

There are also many enormous businesses that are monopolies and IMO cost Americans too much. Do I have the right to shoot their bosses in the back?

This murder was extraordinary because the circumstances were unique.

But at bottom, LM is just another murderer. I suppose every murderer has his or her reasons that make sense to them. I guess Richard Allen had his reasons that seemed justified to him. So do school shooters. So do disgruntled employees. So do family annihilators. So does everyone we read about on Websleuths.

Where do we draw the line?

Just my opinion.

 

[Sundog]

Lol! We agree here. Maroon sweater, orange tennies.

Are those "orange tennies" or prison footwear?

 

[Sunshynn]

He idolized fame, he longed for fame, no matter if it was Pythagoras or Ted Kaczynski and he chose the path taken by the latter.

The only difference between he and Kaczynski is that LM was born and bred in the days of social media so - in a twisted and sad way - he was able to accomplish his goal according to society of certain age and the hive mind.
MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, I was wondering if they'd served a search warrant on some other place that he might have considered or used as his home, or if they were planning to. Usually, when a suspect is arrested away from his home, LE get a warrant and search his home, sometimes even before the suspect makes it into the jail. I don't recall hearing about them searching any residence in LM's case, but maybe there is no home to search.

Where exactly had LM been staying immediately before he went to NY and checked into the hostel? Does LE even know this yet? Where exactly are all his belongings? Did he get rid of it all? Was what he had on him in NY all that he had anywhere? Would LE consider searching the room he grew up in at his childhood home? If there are other journals or writing of his of any sort somewhere, I'm sure LE wants to see them.

And did LM own a vehicle of any kind currently? I'm thinking he may have sold his vehicle and most other belongings of his to finance this NY trip.

All very good questions that I hope we get some answers to. LM's mother has been reported as talking to LE and saying it could be something he (LM) would do? I find that super strange and wonder what the family dynamic was there.

Maryland native Luigi Mangione's mom tried to find him weeks before CEO shooting

LM appeared to live a rather nomadic lifestyle, especially after losing his job at TrueCar. Perhaps he felt a bit defeated, but there was a lot of tech layoffs going on during that time. It seems like he left SF to go to Hawaii and hang out, then traveled to Asia with maybe some stops in Maryland in between (there was a back surgery in there somewhere after Hawaii I believe) where the family is located IIRC.

The family filed a missing persons report at some point and hadn't heard from LM in months, same for some of LM's friends. He became radio silent.

<snipped from above linked article>

Last month from Baltimore, Mangione's mother reportedly alerted San Francisco police on November 18 her son was missing. San Francisco authorities then recognized Mangione after the shooting and told the FBI days before he was captured.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

BBM - It was giving involuntary facial movements almost. Really strange! MOO

I've been wondering if the involuntary facial movements could be related to medication he may be taking. Just speculation, but based on the drastic change in demeanor of defendant since his raging outburst upon arrest.

 

[Zinn]

Yes, I was wondering if they'd served a search warrant on some other place that he might have considered or used as his home, or if they were planning to. Usually, when a suspect is arrested away from his home, LE get a warrant and search his home, sometimes even before the suspect makes it into the jail. I don't recall hearing about them searching any residence in LM's case, but maybe there is no home to search.

Where exactly had LM been staying immediately before he went to NY and checked into the hostel? Does LE even know this yet? Where exactly are all his belongings? Did he get rid of it all? Was what he had on him in NY all that he had anywhere? Would LE consider searching the room he grew up in at his childhood home? If there are other journals or writing of his of any sort somewhere, I'm sure LE wants to see them.

And did LM own a vehicle of any kind currently? I'm thinking he may have sold his vehicle and most other belongings of his to finance this NY trip.

I think it has only been stated that his last known residence was in Hawaii.

Zillow indicates his childhood home was sold in June, 2024.

 

[Sundog]

Tell that to the the NY mayor and his cronies who seem to just love giving him utterly nutso attention when they're surrounding him parading him about when they're in swat gear like he's Hannibal Lecter

Hopefully they realize that the perp walk didn't work in their favor but, in fact, helped the defendant, and they will adjust their actions accordingly.

 

[JDG]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/23/us/luigi-mangione-arraignment-new-york/index.html

Mangione pleads NOT GUILTY.

Luigi Mangione pleads not guilty to murder and weapons charges in UnitedHealthcare CEO's death

The man accused of fatally shooting the CEO of UnitedHealthcare pleaded not guilty on Monday to state murder and terror charges while his attorney complained that statements coming from New York’s mayor would make it tough to receive a fair trial.

www.cp24.com

 

[Jw192]

Hopefully they realize that the perp walk didn't work in their favor but, in fact, helped the defendant, and they will adjust their actions accordingly.

We can only hope

They didn't learn from PA and their releasing of the photoshoot, sorry mugshot, which weirdly included the "wet pants" picture that massively backfired, so I've not got much faith. I hope to be proven wrong though!