NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #5

[Deechee]

Yes, Reuters reported it.

No word on the type of jacket (although IIRC it was reported elsewhere the jacket was Tommy Hilfiger), but my first thought was what if it is a fleece jacket that was in the bag? — i.e., UHC is fleecing the American public.

Putting Monopoly money in the bag was definitely a deliberate choice — I wouldn’t be surprised if the jacket was a deliberate choice as well.

Here’s the money and the coat off my back as well. ‘Coat off my back’ suggesting you might as well have everything I own.
Possibly?

 

[GRT]

The bike.
There's 2-4 minutes between being seen on the bike, and hailing a cab with no bike. Did he have a fold up bike that's locked to a lamp post?

He was in NYC for 10 days before the murder. The first thing he did was take a cab between the planned murder site and the Port Authority bus depot - where he was last seen. He probably scoped out a place to get rid of the bike and the gun parts.

The bike is key in this case.

When we know where it came from and where it went, we'll have more of the story.

 

[krikken]

With the overnight developments (monopoly money etc) Russian or eastern European mafia can be ruled out 100% now, that is very much not their style. I think a hired hitman of any sort can be ruled out, they are discreet, they get the job done and no fun and games.

Whoever responsible is either a psychopath/sociopath/narcissist who killed for fun and to taunt the police because he could, or someone with a grudge against BT personally, or the company.

Showed the new pictures of him to an Iranian female friend and she is absolutely certain he is of Iranian heritage, the eyebrows a dead giveaway

Were the mafia ever suspected? Why would the Russian mafia write words on bullet casings? That was known since Wednesday morning.

Could be an anti-establishment activist(s), as someone here said, like a rogue Anonymous or Banksy existential theater piece. Not sure that would necessarily fall under psychological pathology.

As far as ethnicity could be almost any Eurasian peoples or mix thereof.

 

[GRT]

Yes, Reuters reported it.

No word on the type of jacket (although IIRC it was reported elsewhere the jacket was Tommy Hilfiger), but my first thought was what if it is a fleece jacket that was in the bag? — i.e., UHC is fleecing the American public.

Putting Monopoly money in the bag was definitely a deliberate choice — I wouldn’t be surprised if the jacket was a deliberate choice as well.

I'm thinking along the same lines -- the jacket was put in there to send a message. If it is a Hilfiger as some are reporting, is it a mockery of status symbols?

Or is he pointing to Hilfiger's alleged abuse of labor standards and workers in third-world countries?

Who is this guy???

 

[getthefax]

Interesting thought. I wondered whether twins were involved. He doesn't quite seem to go in different directions, but he does raise questions.

Where did the bike go?

I bet he just left the bike on the street and it was stolen. Bye bye bicycle… super easy way to get rid of that in NYC

 

[getthefax]

The bike.
There's 2-4 minutes between being seen on the bike, and hailing a cab with no bike. Did he have a fold up bike that's locked to a lamp post?

He was in NYC for 10 days before the murder. The first thing he did was take a cab between the planned murder site and the Port Authority bus depot - where he was last seen. He probably scoped out a place to get rid of the bike and the gun parts.

He could literally have left one gun part in a trash can in the bus stop bathroom, one in a McDonald’s… one in the water … who knows? Disassembled, the parts can easily be disguised and disposed of.

The bike could just be left on the street and would be snapped up by a stranger

 

[Elley Mae]

https://usa.tommy.com/en/men/clothing/jackets/new-york-thwarm-hooded-puffer-jacket/78JB227-BDS.html?dwvar_78JB227-BDS_colorCode=BDS

 

[Trino]

He could literally have left one gun part in a trash can in the bus stop bathroom, one in a McDonald’s… one in the water … who knows? Disassembled, the parts can easily be disguised and disposed of.

The bike could just be left on the street and would be snapped up by a stranger

WOULD be snapped up, and a new bike owner isn't going to say anything.

 

[sunshineray]

They didn't see him exit the bus terminal. And the GWB is well covered with cameras.

jmo

I was thinking it would have been easy to have changed his appearance there. Maybe he had a locker there. Just a thought.

 

[GRT]

The unfired rounds - did they have the three words written on them or was Depose, Deny, Defend written on the casings? If the words were written on unfired, ejected bullets, then it seems intentional.

Good question. If he was concerned firing those bullets would affect the ability to read the words, he may have intentionally ejected them unfired. I haven't heard whether the words were on unfired bullet casings or fired bullet casings.

 

[fridaybaker]

Yes. This prosthetic body part/mask thing is giving me flashbacks to when people thought the Delphi killer was wearing a respirator and had a baby goat under his jacket.

Wait: “A respirator and a baby goat?” Wth???

 

[sunshineray]

What is B&T Station six-9?

The gun, at least at one point, thought to be the one he used. Now there's also talk of a different type gun, so idk what LE thinks was used?

 

[BrianJohnson]

Were the mafia ever suspected? Why would the Russian mafia write words on bullet casings? That was known since Wednesday morning.

Could be an anti-establishment activist(s), as someone here said, like a rogue Anonymous or Banksy existential theater piece. Not sure that would necessarily fall under psychological pathology.

As far as ethnicity could be almost any Eurasian peoples or mix thereof.

In one of the previous threads it was suggested he looks like someone from one of the breakaway countries from the old Soviet Union and given the calmness of the guy and the execution it was also suggested that it was a professional hitman/hired gun so I believe it was right to question whether BT had got on the wrong side of overseas organised crime. This can be well and truly ruled out now with the monopoly money etc

Has LE ever officially confirmed that the bullets had wordings on them? I have seen a fair bit of speculation in the media but no confirmation

 

[GRT]

Showed the new pictures of him to an Iranian female friend and she is absolutely certain he is of Iranian heritage, the eyebrows a dead giveaway

RSBM

I attended an international boarding school in high school, and yes, there are strong similarities to Middle Eastern heritage. It could be Iranian, Iraqi, but also, the eyebrows could be fake. I've seen that mentioned several times.

 

[GRT]

Could be an anti-establishment activist(s), as someone here said, like a rogue Anonymous or Banksy existential theater piece. Not sure that would necessarily fall under psychological pathology.

RSBM

All these little messages the killer's leaving.

I'm getting a growing sense that the deliberate messaging, calculated movements, and symbolic props could indicate revolutionary ideology -- maybe even with international links.

But, that's so very farfetched in this day and age.

Are we seeing a resurgence of groups like the SLA and Weather Underground?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Were the mafia ever suspected? Why would the Russian mafia write words on bullet casings? That was known since Wednesday morning.

The involvement of various foreign mafia organisations has been posited by several posters much earlier in these threads. It always seemed unlikely to me.

 

[BrianJohnson]

The monopoly money is more than likely symbolic than anything else, if it is someone who had a claim rejected and had to pay 45k for treatment and then put 45k worth of Monopoly money into the bag then it would be easy to find everyone who has had a 45k claim rejected by BT’s company, this guy would never take that chance

 

[GRT]

The involvement of various foreign mafia organisations has been posited by several posters much earlier in these threads. It always seemed unlikely to me.

The whole thing is shaping up to seem unlikely.

But yes, foreign mafia is a pretty big stretch.

If there is an ideology behind it, I'd look closer to home—something like RevCom and Bob Avakian.

 

[Janitor101]

There is an outside chance that the perpetrator is the one who has/had been chronically ill and had been rejected on his claims with UHC over health care coverage for his illness. Would that be the reason that although his movements had been meticulously planned, he has been so reckless in leaving his DNA everywhere?

This is pure speculation but maybe this guy felt he had nothing to lose. Will everything be revealed after he is caught and we read the manifesto he left behind?

 

[GRT]

This is pure speculation but maybe this guy felt he had nothing to lose. Will everything be revealed after he is caught and we read the manifesto he left behind?

I'm thinking like you.

I think we'll see a manifesto before too long. It's like he's trying very hard to get a message out.