NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[caradana]

Incredibly strange. He should have been focused on the gun and silencer, yet he’s talking about cash and the signal blocking bag (or whatever it was).

This will sound crass, forgive me: short of traceable blood on his face, there is nothing that LM could’ve been carrying at the McD’s to incriminate himself beyond what he was carrying. He was carrying a Faraday bag. The arrest is almost over the top with respect to thriller novel plotlines. MOO: I hope professionals assess for mental health, and are confident that they will.

 

[Parsnip]

I wonder why LM was arguing about the amount of money found on him. It wasn't enough to get him very far, what difference did it make to him?

I’ve been thinking about that, as well, @CrimeDawg123 . My personal bias leads me to believe that he doesn’t want to lay personal claim to a large amount of cash on hand, since he is ostensibly the hero of the every man in the battle of US citizen V health care insurance. And that could be the case. But from his own mouth, I think it’s more likely that he wanted to disavow the money to demonstrate that he was not a flight risk and was therefore worthy of bond. Jmo.

 

[Peppery]

I wonder why LM was arguing about the amount of money found on him. It wasn't enough to get him very far, what difference did it make to him?

Possibly stolen?

Where does one go to get foreign currency these days? It’s not like you can just pop in the corner bank and withdraw a few thousand from another country.

 

[elisimo]

Where I work, he'd be offered much-needed psych meds (anti-anxiety most likely). That's the role of a jail psychiatrist.

They can keep these outburst on the down-low. Usually I'd say that's the best course for the perp/patient - but in this case, I think he wants attention and to be famous and, like OJ, we're going to have a very peculiar and 21st century version of the OJ trial.

Very divided populace (jurors).

I think it depends on the jail. I have taken care of many floridly psychotic patients coming from jail who ostensibly had access to a psych provider while detained.

The psychiatrist could offer something for anxiety, but LM could decline. I don’t think they’d force meds if he were calm while in jail. Now, it’s possible/probable his attorney would advise him to take a literal “chill pill” to avoid making another scene in front of the cameras.

 

[Parsnip]

Thought maybe my humble CSU Degree disqualified me, but if you can’t I feel better.

Do we know what caused his inital back injury? If it was stated I missed that.

I did miss a number of posts today, @Knox. I don’t think the cause of the original injury has been identified. Maybe someone else will correct me? But it seems that (based on MSN and Reddit account) reporting indicates that a brief surfing lesson within the past year left him bedridden for a week or so. Subsequently, he had surgery, and by his Reddit report, he was up and able and without pain within a couple of weeks. Imo.

 

[elisimo]

Possibly stolen?

Where does one go to get foreign currency these days? It’s not like you can just pop in the corner bank and withdraw a few thousand from another country.

Wonder if he had his passport on him.

 

[caradana]

I’ve been thinking about that, as well, @CrimeDawg123 . My personal bias leads me to believe that he doesn’t want to lay personal claim to a large amount of cash on hand, since he is ostensibly the hero of the every man in the battle of US citizen V health care insurance. And that could be the case. But from his own mouth, I think it’s more likely that he wanted to disavow the money to demonstrate that he was not a flight risk and was therefore worthy of bond. Jmo.

The money disconnect speaks to a manic episode to me. It’s possible to be a bunch of truths at the same time:
- academically brilliant? Yes
- upper middle class savvy, prep school style? Yes
- handsome, with pretty people privilege? Yes
- manic or schizophrenic? Possible
- hasn’t slept in days? Looks like it
- affected by lived experience in his family? Possible
- excellently and expensively represented by best-in-class attorneys? We haven’t even scratched the iceberg of that yet
- going to jail or intensive inpatient treatment? Yes
- conjuring up a social movement? I’d argue that this has already had more impact than Occupy Wall Street had toward a different regulated group years ago (that was bankers, not health insurers) but this is magnetically attracting a movement of people who have felt ignored; this is the brick thrown through the window.

 

[Peppery]

Wonder if he had his passport on him.

It’s been reported that he did

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

Possibly stolen?

Where does one go to get foreign currency these days? It’s not like you can just pop in the corner bank and withdraw a few thousand from another country.

You don't have a bureau de change inside the post offices in the US?!?

 

[MassGuy]

I have to totally agree with the horrible optics of the neck pinch. It jumped out at me immediately esp in today's climate. I actually cringed seeing that pic, esp with his supposed pain issues. And I am not really feeling sympathetic about him. It just should not happen. It appears over the top and gratuitous and just gives people a bad taste for LE. Common sense. I have been to Altoona - it's not the big city but they certainly know better. Its a time to be aware of the media and the camera's. Everything gets scrutinized ten ways to Sunday! Heads up!
JMO

If you have someone struggling, it’s the perfect move to gain immediate compliance. There are several pressure points that officers are trained to utilize, but this was the perfect one for the situation.

He’s not squeezing his neck; he’s applying pressure with his left thumb on the nerve below his right ear. You can see him digging in.

They don’t want to get into a struggle with him that can get someone hurt, so this technique is designed to cause enough pain that he’ll stop fighting.

It would look a lot worse if it got to the point that they had to take him to the ground. This is nothing.

 

[Warwick7]

Here you go: McDonald’s customer, who spotted United Healthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione, speaks out

Thank you

 

[SleuthJan]

I think the judge in a trial on these charges would make it very clear to a jury in his or her instructions that the trial is not about this, and let them know that they can't take certain things into account when they deliberate on the guilt or non-guilt of the defendant, and they have to ignore certain other things and the judge will spell those out.

The judge can only say, but the decision of the each person in the jury is all their own ultimately. I’m not saying this case will go any which way, but a judge cannot lead the jurors to a specific verdict either.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think he is more like Elizabeth Holmes or Sam Bankman-Fried- yes he is intelligent, but maybe also crazy in that his objectives, motives and actions are not legal and he believes that he is on a mission to save the world. Some legal definitions of mentally incompetent are very restrictive.

I was thinking of Sam Bankman too, with the communal living in a paradise setting.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder why LM was arguing about the amount of money found on him. It wasn't enough to get him very far, what difference did it make to him?

Pattern of getting upset at the wrong thing?

jmo

 

[waldojabba]

If you have someone struggling, it’s the perfect move to gain immediate compliance. There are several pressure points that officers are trained to utilize, but this was the perfect one for the situation.

He’s not squeezing his neck; he’s applying pressure with his left thumb on the nerve below his right ear. You can see him digging in.

They don’t want to get into a struggle with him that can get someone hurt, so this technique is designed to cause enough pain that he’ll stop fighting.

It would look a lot worse if it got to the point that they had to take him to the ground. This is nothing.
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Got it. Makes sense now that I know. I appreciate the explanation.
My immediate reaction was seeing the look on the perps/kids face and then seeing the hand on his neck and thinking ewww bad pain and is that necessary
Reality does not equal Optics all the time
And Optics can set a narrative
But we have miles to go so nothing to get hung up on here -
JMO

 

[acutename]

I stand corrected. Surgery was L-5, lower back, not neck.

neck bone connected to the lower back bone as the song goes

 

[MassGuy]

This will sound crass, forgive me: short of traceable blood on his face, there is nothing that LM could’ve been carrying at the McD’s to incriminate himself beyond what he was carrying. He was carrying a Faraday bag. The arrest is almost over the top with respect to thriller novel plotlines. MOO: I hope professionals assess for mental health, and are confident that they will.

Thousands of dollars in cash. A passport. 4 different ID’s. Silenced pistol. Faraday bag.

I’ve thought from the beginning that fantasy played a major role in this.

Especially when you throw in the writing on the bullet casings, and Monopoly money.

That stuff wasn’t necessary to commit this crime, but it was necessary to him on a psychological level.

 

[Herat]

If you have someone struggling, it’s the perfect move to gain immediate compliance. There are several pressure points that officers are trained to utilize, but this was the perfect one for the situation.

He’s not squeezing his neck; he’s applying pressure with his left thumb on the nerve below his right ear. You can see him digging in.

They don’t want to get into a struggle with him that can get someone hurt, so this technique is designed to cause enough pain that he’ll stop fighting.

It would look a lot worse if it got to the point that they had to take him to the ground. This is nothing.
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I think they were anticipating more violent efforts from him or even an escape attempt and wanted him in a confined space where he could be better controlled.

LE also may not have known about his back issues.

 

[Sundog]

I had to google "30 degrees" to determine the meaning of his nickname. Here it is:

30 Degrees - Slang Meaning and Examples - FastSlang

"30 Degrees" is a slang term used to describe the act of urinating in public. The term originates from the idea that when one urinates in public, they are exposing themselves at a 30-degree angle to anyone who may be watching. This act is often seen as offensive and vulgar, as it goes against...

www.fastslang.com

There are two meanings listed, one Normal and one Offensive. Here's the Normal one

"30 Degrees" is a slang term that has been gaining popularity in recent years, particularly among young people. The term refers to a state of mind or a feeling of being completely relaxed and carefree, as if one were on a tropical island where the temperature is a perfect 30 degrees Celsius.

Well right now his new nickname is inmate QQ7787. And he's not very relaxed and carefree, that's for sure, as we saw today in his outburst as he was led into court.


ebm

 

[Cindizzi]