NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[LadyL]

The one on substack came from a website that was created after he was arrested. Hence it was proven that it was not him.

The ability to write concisely under pressure is high level. I cannot do it. It requires a thinking process that is very organized, clearcut and defined.

I also noticed his handwriting was fairly, neat and uniform. It appeared to be organized.

I would be like, "No, let me scribble that out...But wait a minute. " Mine would be a total mess.

likely written by AI too

 

[Maumau1616]

There are many reasons US citizens have a lower life expectancy than other countries... healthcare may be one of those but that is NOT the only reason. And, unlikely the primary reason.

I actually think access to healthcare may actually be one of the primary reasons. That, and, somewhat ironically in this case, gun violence.

U.S. Health in International Perspective: Shorter Lives, Poorer Health - PubMed

The United States is among the wealthiest nations in the world, but it is far from the healthiest. Although life expectancy and survival rates in the United States have improved dramatically over the past century, Americans live shorter lives and experience more injuries and illnesses than...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I hope this works. If not, sorry.

Luigi Mangione Has to Mean Something

The internet is better at telling stories than it is at making sense.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[SleuthingVortex]

I hope this works. If not, sorry.

Luigi Mangione Has to Mean Something

The internet is better at telling stories than it is at making sense.

www.theatlantic.com

thanks! it worked.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

My theory of the crime is that LM suffered some sort of psychic break which may or may not have been brought on, at least in part, by chronic back pain.

This is my theory and it's mine, and I am in no way excusing the murder. Just trying to understand it.

 

[Deleted member 350315]

It depends on the conditions of the reward. If reward is given for information leading to an arrest, then the employee would presumably be given it without waiting for a trial.

For both the FBI and NYPD rewards, money will only be paid out if the tipster's information leads to indictment or conviction, and even then there are still multiple hoops that must be jumped through; for the FBI reward,it needs to go all the way to the Secretary Of State for approval. Here's a detailed explanation of the labyrinthine rules surrounding the reward monies:

Bizarre reason why McDonald's worker might not receive $60,000 reward for identifying Luigi Mangione

Luigi Mangione was arrested at the fast-food restaurant in Pennsylvania after a tip-off from an employee

www.unilad.com

 

[nao]

For both the FBI and NYPD rewards, money will only be paid out if the tipster's information leads to indictment or conviction, and even then there are still multiple hoops that must be jumped through; for the FBI reward,it needs to go all the way to the Secretary Of State for approval. Here's a detailed explanation of the labyrinthine rules surrounding the reward monies:

Bizarre reason why McDonald's worker might not receive $60,000 reward for identifying Luigi Mangione

Luigi Mangione was arrested at the fast-food restaurant in Pennsylvania after a tip-off from an employee

www.unilad.com

Moo...I suppose that is why the company did not offer a reward. The company would of been obligated to pay reward.....moo. Also there will now be a lack of trust if the authorities do not pay reward....and I do not think they will pay reward...moo

 

[Kapua]

My theory of the crime is that LM suffered some sort of psychic break which may or may not have been brought on, at least in part, by chronic back pain.

This is my theory and it's mine, and I am in no way excusing the murder. Just trying to understand it.

I subscribe to your theory. The way he withdrew from family and friends indicates a mental health problem to me, but I am not qualified to diagnose him or anyone else.

I also agree that there is no justification for murder, ever. If he'd found a way to dramatically but peacefully make his point without killing another human being, he'd have far more support now. MOO

 

[Kapua]

For both the FBI and NYPD rewards, money will only be paid out if the tipster's information leads to indictment or conviction, and even then there are still multiple hoops that must be jumped through; for the FBI reward,it needs to go all the way to the Secretary Of State for approval. Here's a detailed explanation of the labyrinthine rules surrounding the reward monies:

Bizarre reason why McDonald's worker might not receive $60,000 reward for identifying Luigi Mangione

Luigi Mangione was arrested at the fast-food restaurant in Pennsylvania after a tip-off from an employee

www.unilad.com

The McD's employee should be the one with a crowdfunding account, not LM or his attorney. MOO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I subscribe to your theory. The way he withdrew from family and friends indicates a mental health problem to me, but I am not qualified to diagnose him or anyone else.

I also agree that there is no justification for murder, ever. If he'd found a way to dramatically but peacefully make his point without killing another human being, he'd have far more support now. MOO

I might have missed it, but in all the interviews and accounts I've seen of classmates and other people who knew him, they don't have a negative word to say about him. They all considered him a great guy with a bright future ahead.

Not one of them said anything along the lines of "he always seemed a little creepy..."

In all the pictures I've seen of him before this, he looks happy and healthy and ready to take on the world.

Those things tell me that something went terribly wrong in the last 8 or 9 months.

I repeat, I am not excusing the murder. Just trying to understand it.

 

[sunspun]

I just don't understand what this guy did at all. I completely understand why he feels animosity toward the healthcare insurance industry and the individual executives. I can relate to many of his criticisms of the industry and what I see as his disillusionments of various things in life in general. I can see why he would be angry and wish harm upon the executives and why he would rage against the unfair, greedy and heartless nature of the industry. I share his wish that the insurance racket as we know it be wiped out and replaced by something that isn't devoid of empathy and humanity like what we have now. I completely support his demand for change and understand his reasons why changes are necessary!

And I know I'm not alone. I'm sure many, if not most people feel the same exact way. His stance on this issue makes sense. It's popular. He is saying the same things many people feel. Everything he says about the evils of the insurance industry rings true. We all (or many of us) see it the same way. They're too profit-driven, they don't see clients as people, they hold too much power over life and death medical decisions when they aren't even medically trained, they use AI and algorithms that have zero capacity for empathy or compassion, they're arbitrary and inconsistent and unfeeling and they don't listen and they don't care. They show a callous disregard for the catastrophic events that they are directly responsible for in the lives of people who are in pain and suffering from awful and tragic things that they did nothing to deserve. I feel like these are all his beliefs, and I know these are common among our population.

But if so many of us feel the same way he does about this, how can he have chosen something so far from what any of the rest of us would have chosen to do about it? What made him consciously decide to do this deed that is utterly unthinkable to any reasonable person, when by all accounts, he has also always been a reasonable person?? What made this a good idea in his mind?

He knew as well as anybody what it could and likely would lead to, for himself as well as for his victims and their loved ones. He knew full well the tragedy and ruin that would come from what he did. I mean, SURELY he... thought about it before he did it, right? He had to have done something like weigh the pros and cons before he decided this is what he would do. At some point, it would've been a brand new idea to him, and I would think he would at least at first have thought it was a crazy and terrible idea. But then somehow he went from that to deciding that this was a good idea and that he HAD to do it. How does that happen?

Did he ever even think of ANY other possible thing he could do to achieve his goal? Did he even try to come up with some alternative that wouldn't require him to KILL a person? I simply cannot fathom what went through his mind that led to him going through with this. I can see him sitting down with a group of people, explaining his position and why the industry is so bad and why it must change... and all these people are listening to him, nodding, saying, "Yes, of course, that's true, I agree, you're right," until suddenly he finishes up by saying, "So that's why I have to go hunt down the CEO and shoot him dead," and all the people who thought they agreed with everything he said up til then recoil and gasp in shock and revulsion, and suddenly realize this person who thought like them and seemed so reasonable and agreeable is actually an evil murderous maniac who they want nothing to do with.

I just can't see how it came to this for him.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The grandmother of UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione left her family at least $30 million in her will — but specified that anyone “charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony” would be cut out.

Luigi Mangione’s grandma left family $30 million in will — but the alleged assassin may never see a penny

Philanthropist Mary C. Mangione left her family an estate worth at least $30 million in her will, but grandson Luigi Mangione could be cut off if he’s found guilty of killing UnitedHealthcare…

nypost.com

That's a very far-reaching stipulation. What if a family member was charged/brought to trial and acquitted? It would effectively penalise someone legally innocent. It makes one wonder what was in her mind.

 

[otto]

Still trying to refine the timeline details. Here's an updated timeline. Please feel free to make corrections/ updates.

childhood - spondylolisthesis diagnosis
?? Nov 2021 - moved into Surfbreak remote workers community?
2022 - Surfbreak co-living community, Honolulu, active in daily sports
Jan 2022 - sciatica, beginner surfing lesson injury, one week in bed
Feb 2022 - slipped on piece of paper, right glute locked and right leg shut down for a week, leg couldn't support weight
Mar 2022 - nerve pain issues, experienced pain off and on
April 2022 - left Surfbreak community due to a lifelong back injury exacerbated by physical activity on the island, left the community to seek medical treatment on the East Coast
?? - living in San Fransisco?
Jan 2023 - returned to Hawaii "briefly in early 2023", started a book club, several members left due to discomfort in book choices (Unabomber manifesto)
June 2023 - lost his job with TrueCar
July 2023 - experienced another injury, went to hospital
July 2023 - had spinal fusion surgery
August 2023 - after surgery, claimed full recovery after 8 days
?? Japan, perhaps looking for work?
late 2023 - Hawaii, visiting Maui, the Big Island and Oahu in November and December before returning to Baltimore to see his family.
February 2024 - Mangione said the surgery came "after 1.5 years of failed conservative treatment." (Jan 2022-July 2023)
Early 2024 - Mangione traveled to Asia for several months
April 2024 - Thailand
May 2024 - after 10 months of recommending back surgery, he went silent
?? - San Francisco?
July 2024 - stopped talking to friends and family
Nov 2024 - he was reported missing in San Francisco.
Dec 2024 - shoots a stranger in the back

 

[Poedelini]

Im reading that he had alot of physical health issues. I can imagine him taking painkillers for that. I wonder what and how much he took and what effect that had on his mental health. Just a cent of mine. Jmo

 

[MelmothTheLost]

As per below link to an article in the NYT: "He quit his job in early 2023, telling a friend that while it paid well, it was “mind-numbingly boring.” He said he wanted to spend more time doing yoga and reading."

Given that yoga can also involve stretching the spine, is this likely to have worsened his condition?

 

[ttjo]

I'm reading that he had a lot of physical health issues. I can imagine him taking painkillers for that. I wonder what and how much he took and what effect that had on his mental health. Just a cent of mine. Jmo

I agree. I've said it before, but I didn't want to sound like a broken record and was just going to wait and see if that ever came out. If he was on Opiates, that is a tough thing to kick. I have seen people get so sick trying to do it on their own. Most had to be medically supervised and given replacements and weened off.

 

[otto]

I might have missed it, but in all the interviews and accounts I've seen of classmates and other people who knew him, they don't have a negative word to say about him. They all considered him a great guy with a bright future ahead.

Not one of them said anything along the lines of "he always seemed a little creepy..."

In all the pictures I've seen of him before this, he looks happy and healthy and ready to take on the world.

Those things tell me that something went terribly wrong in the last 8 or 9 months.

I repeat, I am not excusing the murder. Just trying to understand it.

I think that "what went wrong" is that he wanted the surgery for 1.5 years but was refused due to his age and the nature of his spine condition. After he had surgery, he claimed that he was fully recovered in 8 days (not believable). That was July 2023. He no longer had a job, but he did not tell his family.

In May 2024, he stopped recommending the surgery. Perhaps he had another injury during his travels and realized that he could not live a life of sports?

He might blame the insurance industry for delaying spinal fusion surgery for 1.5 years, and he might believe that if he'd had the surgery sooner he would have been fully healed. Common sense says that he had a disability and he refused to take precautions to prevent that disability from worsening. When his actions worsened his condition, he wanted to blame someone else.

At the same time, he may have been pre-occupied with the words of the Unabomber, and somehow decided that a random act of terrorism against the insurance industry was his path to fame. We saw him jogging and cycling on the day of the murder, so he appears to be able-bodied.

 

[ttjo]

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but there is now a Luigi Mangione dance trend.
People are celebrating like it's the Super Bowl. How far is this going to go?

 

[OneLove]

I just don't understand what this guy did at all. I completely understand why he feels animosity toward the healthcare insurance industry and the individual executives. I can relate to many of his criticisms of the industry and what I see as his disillusionments of various things in life in general. I can see why he would be angry and wish harm upon the executives and why he would rage against the unfair, greedy and heartless nature of the industry. I share his wish that the insurance racket as we know it be wiped out and replaced by something that isn't devoid of empathy and humanity like what we have now. I completely support his demand for change and understand his reasons why changes are necessary!

And I know I'm not alone. I'm sure many, if not most people feel the same exact way. His stance on this issue makes sense. It's popular. He is saying the same things many people feel. Everything he says about the evils of the insurance industry rings true. We all (or many of us) see it the same way. They're too profit-driven, they don't see clients as people, they hold too much power over life and death medical decisions when they aren't even medically trained, they use AI and algorithms that have zero capacity for empathy or compassion, they're arbitrary and inconsistent and unfeeling and they don't listen and they don't care. They show a callous disregard for the catastrophic events that they are directly responsible for in the lives of people who are in pain and suffering from awful and tragic things that they did nothing to deserve. I feel like these are all his beliefs, and I know these are common among our population.

But if so many of us feel the same way he does about this, how can he have chosen something so far from what any of the rest of us would have chosen to do about it? What made him consciously decide to do this deed that is utterly unthinkable to any reasonable person, when by all accounts, he has also always been a reasonable person?? What made this a good idea in his mind?

He knew as well as anybody what it could and likely would lead to, for himself as well as for his victims and their loved ones. He knew full well the tragedy and ruin that would come from what he did. I mean, SURELY he... thought about it before he did it, right? He had to have done something like weigh the pros and cons before he decided this is what he would do. At some point, it would've been a brand new idea to him, and I would think he would at least at first have thought it was a crazy and terrible idea. But then somehow he went from that to deciding that this was a good idea and that he HAD to do it. How does that happen?

Did he ever even think of ANY other possible thing he could do to achieve his goal? Did he even try to come up with some alternative that wouldn't require him to KILL a person? I simply cannot fathom what went through his mind that led to him going through with this. I can see him sitting down with a group of people, explaining his position and why the industry is so bad and why it must change... and all these people are listening to him, nodding, saying, "Yes, of course, that's true, I agree, you're right," until suddenly he finishes up by saying, "So that's why I have to go hunt down the CEO and shoot him dead," and all the people who thought they agreed with everything he said up til then recoil and gasp in shock and revulsion, and suddenly realize this person who thought like them and seemed so reasonable and agreeable is actually an evil murderous maniac who they want nothing to do with.

I just can't see how it came to this for him.

So very well written about the profit driven (lack of) medical care; thank you. In parsing how such an otherwise nice guy with so much going for him could commit this murder, I think its useful to consider what he did *not* have going for him.

No continuity of anyone close to him in his life may be significant. Our associations give us roots and guardrails. Luigi seems to have had an abundance of wings but shortage of daily rootedness. At times he seemed to reach out for it digitally but the nomadic life ended even regular connections rather quickly. Conversations with mostly unknowns on Reddit seemed mostly a way to write his thoughts down and seek fleeting feedback. New connections seemed genuine but were dropped as the next nomadic adventure brought new ones. I'm so curious about his last month's communications if any.

If it is true that his back injuries rendered him unable to experience sexual intimacy, he not only lacked touch in his life and close physical companionship but also the feel good chemical hormones generated from sex like oxytocin and also the lack of movement of the lymphatic & myofascial fluids that orgasms generate. In my Eastern medicine acupuncture school, a 3 year post graduate program with a year clinical residency, we wete taught that "stagnancy" is a fundamental cause of both physical and emotional pain. Physical exercise can help compensate for that but not totally replace it as can qigong & tai chi. I doubt he exercised those disciplines or mindful meditation. He may have been adrift in his loneliness & slipped into a steep downward emotional and physical spiral as his isolation and possible obsessive fixation became a runaway train. None of that excuses his choices and I'd guess he could have chosen to gp home and receive family support at any time but whatever obstinacy he may have had prevented it. He did seem to hold a high opinion of himself and his abilities. We may never know much of what caused his family estrangement but I'm hoping this will be revealed in time.

I just don't understand what this guy did at all. I completely understand why he feels animosity toward the healthcare insurance industry and the individual executives. I can relate to many of his criticisms of the industry and what I see as his disillusionments of various things in life in general. I can see why he would be angry and wish harm upon the executives and why he would rage against the unfair, greedy and heartless nature of the industry. I share his wish that the insurance racket as we know it be wiped out and replaced by something that isn't devoid of empathy and humanity like what we have now. I completely support his demand for change and understand his reasons why changes are necessary!

And I know I'm not alone. I'm sure many, if not most people feel the same exact way. His stance on this issue makes sense. It's popular. He is saying the same things many people feel. Everything he says about the evils of the insurance industry rings true. We all (or many of us) see it the same way. They're too profit-driven, they don't see clients as people, they hold too much power over life and death medical decisions when they aren't even medically trained, they use AI and algorithms that have zero capacity for empathy or compassion, they're arbitrary and inconsistent and unfeeling and they don't listen and they don't care. They show a callous disregard for the catastrophic events that they are directly responsible for in the lives of people who are in pain and suffering from awful and tragic things that they did nothing to deserve. I feel like these are all his beliefs, and I know these are common among our population.

But if so many of us feel the same way he does about this, how can he have chosen something so far from what any of the rest of us would have chosen to do about it? What made him consciously decide to do this deed that is utterly unthinkable to any reasonable person, when by all accounts, he has also always been a reasonable person?? What made this a good idea in his mind?

He knew as well as anybody what it could and likely would lead to, for himself as well as for his victims and their loved ones. He knew full well the tragedy and ruin that would come from what he did. I mean, SURELY he... thought about it before he did it, right? He had to have done something like weigh the pros and cons before he decided this is what he would do. At some point, it would've been a brand new idea to him, and I would think he would at least at first have thought it was a crazy and terrible idea. But then somehow he went from that to deciding that this was a good idea and that he HAD to do it. How does that happen?

Did he ever even think of ANY other possible thing he could do to achieve his goal? Did he even try to come up with some alternative that wouldn't require him to KILL a person? I simply cannot fathom what went through his mind that led to him going through with this. I can see him sitting down with a group of people, explaining his position and why the industry is so bad and why it must change... and all these people are listening to him, nodding, saying, "Yes, of course, that's true, I agree, you're right," until suddenly he finishes up by saying, "So that's why I have to go hunt down the CEO and shoot him dead," and all the people who thought they agreed with everything he said up til then recoil and gasp in shock and revulsion, and suddenly realize this person who thought like them and seemed so reasonable and agreeable is actually an evil murderous maniac who they want nothing to do with.

I just can't see how it came to this for him.

So very well written about the health care issues; thank you. I do hope there will be a "post mortem" of sorts and good examination of what contributed to him going completely off the rails in recent times.

 

[OneLove]

I think that "what went wrong" is that he wanted the surgery for 1.5 years but was refused due to his age and the nature of his spine condition. After he had surgery, he claimed that he was fully recovered in 8 days (not believable). That was July 2023. He no longer had a job, but he did not tell his family.

In May 2024, he stopped recommending the surgery. Perhaps he had another injury during his travels and realized that he could not live a life of sports?

He might blame the insurance industry for delaying spinal fusion surgery for 1.5 years, and he might believe that if he'd had the surgery sooner he would have been fully healed. Common sense says that he had a disability and he refused to take precautions to prevent that disability from worsening. When his actions worsened his condition, he wanted to blame someone else.

At the same time, he may have been pre-occupied with the words of the Unabomber, and somehow decided that a random act of terrorism against the insurance industry was his path to fame. We saw him jogging and cycling on the day of the murder, so he appears to be able-bodied.

I totally agree that obsession, compulsion, and fixation played a part in this horrible act. I'd like to know how that happened.