GUILTY OR - Dan Brophy, fatally shot at Oregon Culinary Institute, 2 June 2018 *Wife Arrested*

  • #161
I'm looking at Day 3. This female LE is VERY impressive. I'll bet she's great at her job. Human touch, too.
She's getting groggy answering these questions... makes me think she got traumatized, too, or at least emotionally overloaded by the event.
 
  • #162
The medical examiner is THRILLED with her own credentials. She over-enunciates every word, and lingers heartily on her every doctor-y stage. She smiles like a cheshire cat while she's doing this. It sorta doesn't go with the whole "death" thing. Definitely not somber.

How she describes an autopsy, lol:
"It's a physical examination that I perform on my patient who happens to be dead."
 
  • #163
@RickshawFan - when you view Day 4 - could you let me know "who" the witnesses were? I've had problems with my speakers - so would appreciate it! TIA! :)
I had a problem with Day 4 until I switched to the YouTube feed. The L&C feed is very murky. I haven't seen the whole of day 4, but at least one was Jack Brophy (Dan's father) and Dan's mom (who IMO is a very thoughtful witness).

All in all, I notice how many intelligent and lovely people in various walks of life got caught up in this thing and were seriously impacted. Well-spoken, sincere, moving....

I'm also learning what each kind of job description does, like all the various police functions at a crime scene and who handles what, the body guy who is the first to arrive from the coroner's office and what he does, etc. etc.
 
  • #164
The detective has ears like an elf.
 
  • #165
LOL the boss with the man bun and the T-shirt blazoned with a psychedelic mushroom.
 
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  • #167
Odd point: NB and DB got married only just before he died. (This would presumably make a big difference if he died intestate.) They had a wedding party in the late 90's, but....

NB's eyes in court seem so soulless to me. And that stare. They reveal nothing. The other thing I notice is that she looks like different people. Interestingly, the female LE was asked about this, about whether she looked different.
Both of these features—the eyes and the chameleon changes—remind me of Jodi Arias.
I think maybe no one knows who NB really was. I think DB, on the contrary, had many people who knew exactly who he was. Listen to Woody (witness), and it's clear DB had heart-mates who really "got" him.
 
  • #168
@RickshawFan - when you view Day 4 - could you let me know "who" the witnesses were? I've had problems with my speakers - so would appreciate it! TIA! :)
Day 4 has the spellbinding full-of-soul witness, Woody Bailey. Wilkie (man bun), both Brophy parents.
My favorite quote from Jack Brophy on whether his son liked tools:
"He liked them. He spent his whole life looking for them." LOL his son never remembered where he put them.
The prosecution got to giggling at Jack and had trouble controlling it.
 
  • #169
@RickshawFan - do you have a link where I can watch these? Since it is the weekend I could catch up with this trial.

TIA! :)
 
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  • #172
I think that’s it!

This trial is supposed to go 30 days or something. I can’t imagine why. NB has chosen to be on the stand. I don’t believe she’ll be a sympathetic figure, and all that staring won’t help her at all.
 
  • #173
Too bad we don’t have interrogation tapes for The Behavior Panel to analyze.
 
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The defense is trying to use NB’s background as a romantic suspense “writer” as the reason she had guns around. She had them, argues the defense, for research purposes.
IMO this might be a lousy defense, for the simple reason no one so far in the trial says much positive about her “writing” skills. Mostly they eyeroll when asked. They evidently teased DB about it. I can’t find the exact spot for this witness (maybe Wilkie?) any more, but one response: “Nancy did like her writing.” [Snort.]
The books were self-published (i.e. not bought by a publisher). This is not as meaningful a description as it used to be, but does make it into witness snark. There also doesn’t seem to be much evidence that she researched them? Also, while fiction is technically fantasy, the titles are wince-worthy for a murder trial, e.g. “The Wrong Husband”.

So, yeah, this writing thing is a double-edged sword. IMO. It gives too much scope for eyerolls and doesn’t at all elevate NB. It’s very possible even a jury member with a passion for romance novels will want to distance themselves as far as possible from NB’s.

PS I don’t want to increase NB’s page views on Amazon, or I’d look up her books.
I’m also loathe to critique her writing, as I’m uncertain whether my own could be snarked about for similar reasons. (In my defense, romantic suspense would be the last genre in the universe I’d attempt writing about: I could only ever make it look hackneyed.)
 
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  • #176
Thanks for all the videos @RickshawFan - going to check them out now.

And I'm not into romance novels at all - mysteries & suspense for me! :D
 
  • #177
I just now read this thread. Thanks for the updates!

It is just crazy to think that if she "planned this for years" as the prosecutors claimed at first, that this just seems so one-brainer-stuff. Like she didn't even have a valid alibi ready. Starting with lying. As in: "really?". But I am not the one to decide, maybe thankfully, that is this the actual truth. But weird, just weird. I feel like I shouldn't watch, but I just can't help myself..

Like w h y !? why would she do that? the money is just a small part of it (MOO! that might be the motive she likes to tell herself, though she must have hated him, perhaps in a very deep level, for a while. A long while, is my guess. ).

Or/and could she have lived more than 60 years as a "cold blooded psychopath" (or something similar, as in a person with not much empathy), without getting in trouble with the LE?

Yep. Following now. Can't help myself.

It's all MOO, and I just read all of it that was there easily accessed, so I might have too much info in my mind for a clear enough picture. Just saying. I think many websleuthers can relate: too much too fast - syndrome
 
  • #178
The defense argument that finances can’t have been a motive for killing because NB’s deteriorated even worse after his death is laughable.
1. That doesn’t say anything about motive or intent.
2. Maxfield is murkying the waters between ipso facto and post facto.
3. The reason they deteriorated is that insurance wouldn’t pay out, and NB never made much money. She had SS, but with debt, I doubt she could cover her bills.

I also want to know what additional crimes were committed after the arrest while in prison, but I can’t find detail.
 
  • #179
I just now read this thread. Thanks for the updates!

It is just crazy to think that if she "planned this for years" as the prosecutors claimed at first, that this just seems so one-brainer-stuff. Like she didn't even have a valid alibi ready. Starting with lying. As in: "really?". But I am not the one to decide, maybe thankfully, that is this the actual truth. But weird, just weird. I feel like I shouldn't watch, but I just can't help myself..

Like w h y !? why would she do that? the money is just a small part of it (MOO! that might be the motive she likes to tell herself, though she must have hated him, perhaps in a very deep level, for a while. A long while, is my guess. ).

Or/and could she have lived more than 60 years as a "cold blooded psychopath" (or something similar, as in a person with not much empathy), without getting in trouble with the LE?

Yep. Following now. Can't help myself.

It's all MOO, and I just read all of it that was there easily accessed, so I might have too much info in my mind for a clear enough picture. Just saying. I think many websleuthers can relate: too much too fast - syndrome
Live your handle, @MessyLee ! And thanks for playing along!

There’s a story NB recites for why she fell in love with DB … she was in the tub and wanted him to join her. He responded something like, “I’ll be right up after I’ve finished making the hors d’oeuvres.” NB refers to this as though it’s extremely romantic. But I think this is a guy who likes cooking more than he wants a relationship. Run!

So, if this is NB’s idea of extremely romantic and love-worthy, IMO she was going to be very disappointed. He couldn’t give her what she wanted.
I think she hated him and planned this for years. There were so many ducks she had to get in a row to make this happen, including actually getting married (they weren’t legal until the year before his death), getting the deed changed, being off the mortgage, all those years of insurance. And I’ll bet she had earlier scenarios (the murder mystery writers’ cruise?) that she couldn’t follow through with.

As far as I can tell, the potential payout was approx $1.5 million….This was what she thought she had coming (which is what matters for motive), not what she might actually have ended up with.

On the psychopath front…Maybe not quite out that far, I dunno, but there’s gotta be some of that in the mix to be able to do this murder, right?

And maybe there weren’t enough people around her in close quarters to discern how dangerous she was? We’ll see if she has any friends for witnesses. Defense didn’t mention any in opening AFAIR. So, yeah, her real self may have been under the radar her entire life.

The Behavior Panel talks about “chameleon” people. I’ll see if I can find it. NB looks like a different person in every photo.
 
  • #180
Thanks for all the videos @RickshawFan - going to check them out now.

And I'm not into romance novels at all - mysteries & suspense for me! :D

Me too, Niner! And I wish they would leave the romance out of the mysteries and thrillers. I don’t just dislike it, I find it repulsive. The half naked muscle men on Nancy’s covers practically scream 🤬🤬🤬🤬. MOO
 

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