4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[Balthazar]

Um, NO it's not the first time IGG has been used in a current case. If you go to my cousin's thread, you'll see that IGG was used recently to convict his killer.

If your cousin was Mark Driben, that WAS a cold case.

"A case becomes “Cold” when all probative investigative leads available to the primary investigators are exhausted and the case remains open and unsolved after a period of three years. Cold Cases are reviewed to determine if newer technologies or forensic testing may produce any new potential leads." Cold Cases - What is a Cold Case.

Even this indicates that Mark Dribin's case was considered a cold case: MARK DRIBIN

BTW, it is right and good that you and the rest of Mark's family and friends received justice. I just wish it could have been much sooner. 20 years is a long time to wait.

 

[Megnut]

When OJ was tried, DNA analysis was in its infancy and those infants couldn't possibly have imagined today's capabilities.

What's extraordinary about this case, given the precautious perpetrator and the "sloppy" crime scene, is that there was suspect DNA to collect. Victim blood could have obliterated all of it.

For those who think there's just so little to tie BK to the crime, one, there's even less to tie anyone else.

But two, had he not left the sheath and/or the sheath yielded no DNA ( and not just no DNA, but single source male DNA), LE would be going off the cctv of the Elantra and a hard battle to connect it to anyone.

But here, like magic, the thing every LE hopes for in crime scene investigation, the suspect potentially left his DNA on site, and not just on site, but literally in bed with the victim(s). Evidentiary gold.

Now they just needed a proper male to match it to.

I've followed cases where the majority of blood testing comes back like this: mixed sample, could not rule out the defendant. Mixed sample, couldn't rule out the victim. Positive presumptive test, no profile detected. And of course, matches in the some kind of million to one, consistent with...

How long until one's DNA is straightaway a calling card, like a chip on a lost dog, look it up, call it in, connect with the owner, fifteen minutes job well done?

As more individuals volunteer their DNA to these databases, it's only going to become a directory of everyone. You risk leaving your DNA at a crime scene, LE will meet you at your front door before you've even showered off what you'd done.

In many ways, it's not unlike old-fashioned police beat work. Canvassing neighborhoods. Have you seen this man? Nope, but he is my cousin.

What an elementary mistake Dr. BK made, risking leaving anything he'd touched behind.

May it haunt him the rest of his smug life.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

More documents:

• 
  02/21/2025 States Motion in Limine RE: Admissibility of Demonstrative Exhibits and Memorandum in Support
• 02/21/2025 States Motion in Limine RE: Alibi
• 02/21/2025 States Motion in Limine RE: Alternative Perpetrator Evidence
• 02/21/2025 States Motion in Limine RE: Neuropsychological and Psychiatric Evidence
• 02/24/2025 Motion to Exceed Page Limit
• 02/24/2025 Order Granting Leave to Exceed Page

 

[jepop]

If your cousin was Mark Driben, that WAS a cold case.

"A case becomes “Cold” when all probative investigative leads available to the primary investigators are exhausted and the case remains open and unsolved after a period of three years. Cold Cases are reviewed to determine if newer technologies or forensic testing may produce any new potential leads." Cold Cases - What is a Cold Case.

Even this indicates that Mark Dribin's case was considered a cold case: MARK DRIBIN

BTW, it is right and good that you and the rest of Mark's family and friends received justice. I just wish it could have been much sooner. 20 years is a long time to wait.

Rachel Morin's Suspected Rapist & Murderer is Arrested

Harford County Sheriff's Office & FBI Team with Othram to Identify the Suspect in Rachel Morin’s Sexual Assault and Murder

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FIGG has been recently used in new cases.

 

[Maat99]

I strongly believe that BK left the sheath behind deliberately

I have heard this theory before and dismissed it - because why would he? But thinking about it again - it is a very good point. If it wasn’t intentional, why was it completely wiped of all prints and dna (except one little hidden area)?
Did he do that jic he left it? Maybe. But then you would think he would have secured it or kept track of it if he was that proactively concerned that it would get into LEs hands.

 

[Maat99]

I'm sure I remember early on in the case, when it was revealed that Kohberger studied unde the professor who wrote a book about BTK,

I would love to hear that professors thoughts on BK now that she knows he was an aspiring murderer.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Of course I have no proof and it’s just my feelings about this, but I don’t believe he intentionally left the sheath behind.

IMO things became more complicated than he’d pictured. Maddie and Kaylee together in the bed, Xana and Ethan fighting him, frenzied stabbing, and he lost it. Physically lost the sheath and mentally “lost it” when his imagined scenario became more complex.

I think he was exhausted though satiated by killing them and just made that one grievous error (thankfully). Maybe he didn’t see the sheath was positioned as it was by Maddie and just hightailed it out of there.

If he was signaling something by leaving the sheath intentionally, I don’t see it.

OR I’m totally wrong. Who knows?

JMO

MOO he had a receipt for Dickies coveralls seized during the search of his apartment.
Only people who actually work in coveralls are aware that nothing stays in a coverall pocket, no matter how deeply its stashed if you have to really exert yourself.
In other words it looked cool in the mirror.

According to Howard Blum in his book on page 172 he wrote that Steve Goncalves claimed to have several informants, including LE, an FBI agent and 2 grand jurors. He was then given info about the receipt. The receipt was $49.99 for a Dickies coverall bought at Walmart. In checking them out online, there are no belt loops but there are pockets. I have no doubt he shoved the sheath in a pocket and it fell out during his murderous exertions. (Inflation brought the least expensive coverall up $10.) Free PDF download of "When the Night Comes Falling" at Oceanofpdf.com
MOO.

 

[arielilane]

@kfixler

In newest #Idaho4 court filings, prosecution asks to bar #BryanKohberger's defense from presenting his "so-called" alibi, alternative suspect theories/evidence and anything to do with mental health issues, where #Idaho does not allow insanity plea. Story.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1894471299080360161

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article300954594.html

 

[MassGuy]

I have heard this theory before and dismissed it - because why would he? But thinking about it again - it is a very good point. If it wasn’t intentional, why was it completely wiped of all prints and dna (except one little hidden area)?
Did he do that jic he left it? Maybe. But then you would think he would have secured it or kept track of it if he was that proactively concerned that it would get into LEs hands.

It didn’t have to be wiped down. Just because someone touches something, doesn’t mean that touch DNA will be left behind.

And just because touch DNA may be left behind, doesn’t mean it lasts forever.

That sheath apparently had blood on it too, which as we learned from the Delphi case, can cripple the ability to detect touch DNA.

There are certain parts of an item that are more likely to contain DNA than other parts. The snap was an excellent location, as it required the killer to apply pressure to open and close it.

I just see no evidence he left that behind intentionally. It could only be used to trace him, through purchase records, or in this case, DNA.

 

[joe jones]

Reading these DNA posts...I have to ask: Why does the IGG identification matter at all once the literal cheek swab from BK matches the sheath from the probable murder weapon that was found under/near the victims? I am asking in all seriousness. BK's DNA matches with utmost octillion (bazillion lol) certainty to the knife sheath DNA. Why does the IGG DNA matter at this point?

So then, shouldn't BK/attorneys be focusing on how a knife sheath with his (and ONLY his, single-source multiple-octillion to one matching) DNA ended up in that house, rather than driving around wherever else besides that house (even though a car that looks just like his car was seen driving around that house...but coincidence I guess, whatever)?

Maybe one of BK's 97000 cousins was in town at the same time driving the same/similar type of car?

ALL IMO, JMO. But serious question at the start.

We never get to the cheek swab if the judge has ruled the FIGG was inadmissable due to errors or illegality by the FBI when they were doing the FIGG work, his arrest warrant would have been thrown out as everything came after FIGG and I expect the judge may then have ruled case dismissed with prejudice as it was the states erorr

 

[MeadowMuffin]

It didn’t have to be wiped down. Just because someone touches something, doesn’t mean that touch DNA will be left behind.

And just because touch DNA may be left behind, doesn’t mean it lasts forever.

That sheath apparently had blood on it too, which as we learned from the Delphi case, can cripple the ability to detect touch DNA.

There are certain parts of an item that are more likely to contain DNA than other parts. The snap was an excellent location, as it required the killer to apply pressure to open and close it.

I just see no evidence he left that behind intentionally. It could only be used to trace him, through purchase records, or in this case, DNA.

Also, being a student of Katherine Ramsland who wrote the book on BTK, that's the mistake BTK made which got him caught. Left a floppy disk for investigators to find, which had encrypted the name "Dennis", as well as the name of the church Rader belonged to. I think BK knew better. The adrenaline made him do it.
BTK's mistake

 

[Megnut]

More documents:

• 
  02/21/2025 States Motion in Limine RE: Admissibility of Demonstrative Exhibits and Memorandum in Support
• 02/21/2025 States Motion in Limine RE: Alibi
• 02/21/2025 States Motion in Limine RE: Alternative Perpetrator Evidence
• 02/21/2025 States Motion in Limine RE: Neuropsychological and Psychiatric Evidence
• 02/24/2025 Motion to Exceed Page Limit
• 02/24/2025 Order Granting Leave to Exceed Page

Oh, Bummer.

Judge granted the Defense's motion to exceed the page limit of 10. But cut them off at 20.

Sorry. No 2000 pages fo youz.

JMO

 

[Diddian]

I would like to see a timeline of the household laid over BK's timeline from let's say midnight onward.

Where was BK when MM and KG were texting KG's (ex)bf? Where was BK when bedroom lights were on and off?

I'm curious too to know if BK had any awareness of the presence of another person (the doordash driver), did he encounter that vehicle on his arrival?

What exactly prevented him from stopping on the earlier approaches?

Did he know -- or care -- who was there that night?

If I assume that he didn't intend to leave the sheath, I assume further that he didn't expect a battle. I can only conclude that he didn't expect to find two people in bed, and while a military-grade knife like that is the most unfair advantage, he wasn't prepared for a sudden moving target. One he needed to silence, not also reach, as she was on the far side of the bed, on the other side of his first victim. He's tall, room is small, bed hugs the wall. Did he reach across, fighting now like a swordsman? Not stabbing, swiping? Did he mount the bed?

I always come back to the anomalies that night. 1. KG being there. And with her, Murphy. 2. Not just KG being there but because of the novelty of her visit, she wasn't in her old room but in MM's. 3. XK being awake. 4. EC being there.

Looks like 4 things BK might not have prepared for.

Which means he may have prepared for a vastly different crime than the one he left behind.

And had those 4 things not been in place, would the sheath have been left behind? Would DM have heard anything? Would BK have had to drive by as many times as he did? Lights might have been out much, much earlier.

Had BK approached only once, parked, entered in silence, murdered MM in silence, would he have lingered? Was that part of his fantasy, such that he had one? To watch her "sleep"? And had he left as silently as he entered, where would this investigation be?

LE would have at least some cctv of the white Elantra...

But no DNA. No witness. No immediate timestamp.

Just one presumably targeted murder, no suspect.

And an emboldened murderer who learned something new, how easy it was.

I wonder how long he would have waited to strike again.

JMO

Chilling, the thought that had he not left the sheath with his DNA, he might have gone undetected - or at least without the possibility he could be connected to that house that night with such certainty. So, emboldened to do it again.

I wonder, since the closest Jack in the Box to Moscow is in Pullman and Xana had ordered through Door Dash if there is any possibility BK had established a means to be alerted to late night orders from Pullman to Moscow via Door Dash. Had he signed up as a DD driver (whether he actually ever did it or not)? Was there a Door Dash driver who lived nearby who had an unsecured network that would allow others unintended access to such information? Do the other 12 nights when BK is known to have traveled around the area of 1122 King in Moscow line up with similar late night Door Dash orders? I assume DD has provided LE a record of orders from that residence (and possibly from other residences close by)... to check that possibility, but cannot remember reading if that was so.

 

[jepop]

Chilling, the thought that had he not left the sheath with his DNA, he might have gone undetected - or at least without the possibility he could be connected to that house that night with such certainty. So, emboldened to do it again.

I wonder, since the closest Jack in the Box to Moscow is in Pullman and Xana had ordered through Door Dash if there is any possibility BK had established a means to be alerted to late night orders from Pullman to Moscow via Door Dash. Had he signed up as a DD driver (whether he actually ever did it or not)? Was there a Door Dash driver who lived nearby who had an unsecured network that would allow others unintended access to such information? Do the other 12 nights when BK is known to have traveled around the area of 1122 King in Moscow line up with similar late night Door Dash orders? I assume DD has provided LE a record of orders from that residence (and possibly from other residences close by)... to check that possibility, but cannot remember reading if that was so.

There were warrants obtained for door dash in the early stages of the investigation. Unrelated to BK. I think that angle was checked out thoroughly at the time. Jmo

ETA meaning moo the possibility of a door dash employee past or present being involved was investigated. Based on redacted warrants in early Dec 2022. Jmo and a guess

 

[Diddian]

There were warrants obtained for door dash in the early stages of the investigation. Unrelated to BK. I think that angle was checked out thoroughly at the time. Jmo

ETA meaning moo the possibility of a door dash employee past or present being involved was investigated. Based on redacted warrants in early Dec 2022. Jmo and a guess

Thanks for remembering and relaying the info.

 

[Megnut]

Chilling, the thought that had he not left the sheath with his DNA, he might have gone undetected - or at least without the possibility he could be connected to that house that night with such certainty. So, emboldened to do it again.

I wonder, since the closest Jack in the Box to Moscow is in Pullman and Xana had ordered through Door Dash if there is any possibility BK had established a means to be alerted to late night orders from Pullman to Moscow via Door Dash. Had he signed up as a DD driver (whether he actually ever did it or not)? Was there a Door Dash driver who lived nearby who had an unsecured network that would allow others unintended access to such information? Do the other 12 nights when BK is known to have traveled around the area of 1122 King in Moscow line up with similar late night Door Dash orders? I assume DD has provided LE a record of orders from that residence (and possibly from other residences close by)... to check that possibility, but cannot remember reading if that was so.

I think we can rule that sort of connection out.

He was likely already in his car, already heading to Moscow, with his phone off, probably well before that order was placed.

All those loops suggest to me he was deliberate in them, waiting for the house to go dark, or psyching himself up...

But not horning in a Door Dash order. I think he had no idea someone had been at the house mere minutes before he arrived.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

According to Howard Blum in his book on page 172 he wrote that Steve Goncalves claimed to have several informants, including LE, an FBI agent and 2 grand jurors. He was then given info about the receipt. The receipt was $49.99 for a Dickies coverall bought at Walmart. In checking them out online, there are no belt loops but there are pockets. I have no doubt he shoved the sheath in a pocket and it fell out during his murderous exertions. (Inflation brought the least expensive coverall up $10.) Free PDF download of "When the Night Comes Falling" at Oceanofpdf.com
MOO.

Dickies make sense. I was thinking a Tyvek suit, but those generally come in white. They don’t tend to have pockets either.

A purchase record on that would be absolutely massive.

 

[jepop]

Oh, Bummer.

Judge granted the Defense's motion to exceed the page limit of 10. But cut them off at 20.

Sorry. No 2000 pages fo your.

JMO

I love the way he's modified the last sentence by hand to specify the 20 pages max. Like it was an 'oh s**t!' afterthought, 'I better make a new limit here, or this may go on and on'. Hippler seems good with the pre-emptive boundaries. He's no doubt been there before! Jmo

 

[angelainwi]

According to Howard Blum in his book on page 172 he wrote that Steve Goncalves claimed to have several informants, including LE, an FBI agent and 2 grand jurors. He was then given info about the receipt. The receipt was $49.99 for a Dickies coverall bought at Walmart. In checking them out online, there are no belt loops but there are pockets. I have no doubt he shoved the sheath in a pocket and it fell out during his murderous exertions. (Inflation brought the least expensive coverall up $10.) Free PDF download of "When the Night Comes Falling" at Oceanofpdf.com
MOO.

You can get coveralls at Dollar Tree for $1.25

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I would love to hear that professors thoughts on BK now that she knows he was an aspiring murderer.

I can imagine a new book release shortly after conviction. She would basically be printing money! JMO