4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[StarryStarryNight]

Kinda like the midget that killed Maggie and Paul .

Let’s not forget the ninjas clad in wool sweaters in August at the Mollie Tibbets trial.

 

[arielilane]

Finding Kaylee and Madison at the crime scene:


OFC Smith pointed out a small bathroom on the east side of the third floor.



As I entered this bedroom, I could see two females in the single bed in the room. Both

Goncalves and Mogen were deceased with visible stab wounds. I also later noticed what

appered to be a tan leather knife sheath laying on the bed next to Mogen's right side (when

viewed from the door). The sheath was later processed and had "Ka-Bar" 'USMC" and the

United States Marine Corps eagle globe and anchor insignia stamped on the outside of it. The

Idaho state lab later located a single source of male DNA (suspect Profile) left on the button

snap of the knife sheath.

Affidavit

 

[arielilane]

Doesnt matter what the defense comes up with, BK is right there at 1122 King Road, just like RA was on the bridge.
You cant get BK out of the house; or RA off the bridge. jmo

Affidavit

 

[gremlin444]

If I was going to plant someone else's knife sheath at a crime scene to frame them, I don't think I'd be wiping all of it off and just gamble on there being enough DNA in/on the snap grooves to be able to be used by police to identify BK.

And if I had somehow obtained his DNA from something else and was putting it on the knife sheath in order to frame him, I think I'd still be sure to put more on it than just the snap.

And if I was framing him, how was I expecting the police to use it to find him? If I knew him enough to want to frame him specifically, I'd know that his DNA wasn't going to be in CODIS. And I wouldn't assume that the police were going to use genetic genealogy so early in the investigation to identify the owner of the planted DNA.

If I wanted to just frame some random person, why get BK's DNA? Surely it would make more sense to try to get DNA off someone from Moscow.

 

[Bahshudc]

IMO, I think the defence might suggest that the knife wasn't in BK's possession for a while before the murders. I don't think it'll be as cut and dry as "the REAL killer put it there."

IANAL so if anybody knows whether this is allowed, please let me know, but I think it'll be something like this: they might suggest that BK sold the knife & sheath off at a car boot sale, on eBay, to a friend, or donated it somewhere. Then, the REAL killer bought / found it, wiped it down of their own DNA, but left a trace of BK's on the snap unintentionally.

This would make more sense to me. It's not very believable, but seems more logical than simply suggesting BK was elaborately framed. Wouldn't they need to provide an actual suspect to bring this theory forward?

If they did want to suggest BK had sold / given away the knife, do they need empirical or digital evidence for this? Or can they just say it?

Moo.

 

[MassGuy]

If I was going to plant someone else's knife sheath at a crime scene to frame them, I don't think I'd be wiping all of it off and just gamble on there being enough DNA in/on the snap grooves to be able to be used by police to identify BK.

And if I had somehow obtained his DNA from something else and was putting it on the knife sheath in order to frame him, I think I'd still be sure to put more on it than just the snap.

And if I was framing him, how was I expecting the police to use it to find him? If I knew him enough to want to frame him specifically, I'd know that his DNA wasn't going to be in CODIS. And I wouldn't assume that the police were going to use genetic genealogy so early in the investigation to identify the owner of the planted DNA.

If I wanted to just frame some random person, why get BK's DNA? Surely it would make more sense to try to get DNA off someone from Moscow.

And that's ignoring the fact that BK drove the same type of car they were looking for, just so happened to go for a drive in the dead of night at a time consistent with him being the killer, and that his phone went dark for two hours, covering the entire murder window.

You're talking about astronomical odds so insane that it's just not worth considering.

 

[Boxer]

IMO, I think the defence might suggest that the knife wasn't in BK's possession for a while before the murders. I don't think it'll be as cut and dry as "the REAL killer put it there."

IANAL so if anybody knows whether this is allowed, please let me know, but I think it'll be something like this: they might suggest that BK sold the knife & sheath off at a car boot sale, on eBay, to a friend, or donated it somewhere. Then, the REAL killer bought / found it, wiped it down of their own DNA, but left a trace of BK's on the snap unintentionally.

This would make more sense to me. It's not very believable, but seems more logical than simply suggesting BK was elaborately framed. Wouldn't they need to provide an actual suspect to bring this theory forward?

If they did want to suggest BK had sold / given away the knife, do they need empirical or digital evidence for this? Or can they just say it?

Moo.

He has had a lot of time to conconct a story.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Excellent point!

Even more, we actually have 102 threads, not pages, and each thread has probably 60 pages, so thousands upon thousands of posts.

Also of course we heard about this BECAUSE four college kids had been knifed to death. We started out with this horrific knowledge, while DM and BF clearly only realized the next day that something was very wrong, but they did not yet know about the tragic and gruesome quadruple murder of their friends, right in their own home.

JMO

Post of the day Arkay.

 

[SteveP]

He has had a lot of time to conconct a story.

He should have concocted one more believable than the one his defense is apparently going to run with. JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

This, however, is why there is an order to the questions. If the person is not breathing and is cold to the touch. It doesn't matter what happened at 4 am right then. If they are breathing, then asked if any visible wounds present, deal with that If possible,, then they might ask if it was known what they might have ingested and THAT would be the time to say what they know. In this case, it was determined she wasn't breathing and the emergency vehicles arrived shortly thereafter so the dispatcher left the conversation.

Not that what happened might not be important, just that other things are considered more important. Is there something the person on the phone can do to keep the victim alive, and what emergency vehicles to send are priority. It's an order of operations thing.

Based on my experiences.

Except this isn't a Hollywood script and very, very, VERY rarely does it unfold that way in real life. When you work in emergency situations, you realize that people are often going to throw out anything and everything that happened and when you cut them off, especially in such a curt way, you risk losing out on valuable (sometimes lifesaving) information. Yes of course, you need to keep to the facts, but the operator had no idea what DM was about to tell her. The intervention for someone unconscious will vary depending on circumstances and mechanism of injury. For example, a spinal injury will require modified CPR. A drug overdose may require Narcan. These things are critical.

But even if they were irrelevant, it was the way in which the operator handled it that was terrible. That is not how you to talk to a traumatized individual.

MOO.

 

[Karin1974]

I am not disputing what the operator was trying to do. But one of the girls actually asks, "Can I tell you what happened?... At 4 a.m." The operator cuts her off. The speaker believes those events were tied to the "passed out" victim. In order to know what it is the most urgent issue at hand, the operator needs to understand the situation. The girls could have disturbed and tainted a crime scene.

IMO - At the time the 911 call was made, what happened at 4am is completely irrelevant to the 911 operator, she needs to know what is going on now, not what happened 8 hours ago, they’re not there to chat, they’re there to relay info to ambulance, paramedics or police. MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Defibrillators are very expensive and you have to be trained how to use one so it is not normal for frat houses to have them unless a specific student needed one for a specific heart condition and bought it themselves to have in the house. Planes and companys and police and EMT's and hospitals can have them on the premises but someone needs to know how to work them.​

And Narcan is a controlled substance and must be prescribed to a specific individual. EMT's and police and hospitals have them but landlords cannot hand them out. An individual can carry one with a prescription.

2 Cents

Actually, anyone can use an AED. They have them in schools, at airports, all over the place. I'm sure dorms have them too. It's all automated. The voice tells you what to do.

As for Narcan, anyone getting opiates for legitimate reasons OR anyone with a history of opiate use disorder gets a Narcan. It's actually fairly easy to get. They may have had it. We don't know and I doubt we'll ever find out, honestly, unless drugs played some type of role in any of this. MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

911 Call?

@BeginnerSleuther
Raising another factor which may be relevant to 911 calls generally ---
call volume when operators are handling calls.

Was this the only call the operator was dealing w at the time? (Rhetorical question)

Re handling of this call, personally not complimenting or criticizing.

It likely wasn't, though I doubt the call volume in Moscow, ID on a Sunday morning would be too intense. But regardless, I suppose that's part of the training because you never know when you could have a mass casualty event.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

It likely wasn't, though I doubt the call volume in Moscow, ID on a Sunday morning would be too intense. But regardless, I suppose that's part of the training because you never know when you could have a mass casualty event.

MOO

911 usually is several police, sheriff, fire, EMT entities being served together by one 911 call center.

 

[fcavanaugh]

If I was going to plant someone else's knife sheath at a crime scene to frame them, I don't think I'd be wiping all of it off and just gamble on there being enough DNA in/on the snap grooves to be able to be used by police to identify BK.

And if I had somehow obtained his DNA from something else and was putting it on the knife sheath in order to frame him, I think I'd still be sure to put more on it than just the snap.

And if I was framing him, how was I expecting the police to use it to find him? If I knew him enough to want to frame him specifically, I'd know that his DNA wasn't going to be in CODIS. And I wouldn't assume that the police were going to use genetic genealogy so early in the investigation to identify the owner of the planted DNA.

If I wanted to just frame some random person, why get BK's DNA? Surely it would make more sense to try to get DNA off someone from Moscow.

Not only all that, some person framing BK just so happened to have a vehicle that looks very similar to his driving in the area at the same exact time BK was also out driving in the area -just not over ‘there’, and while his-BK’s phone just happened to be off/untraceable for the murder window while the real killer/framer was in the house slaughtering the four college co-eds and planting the sheath with BK’s DNA on it.

How lucky the real killer/framer not only managed to somehow obtain and leave/transfer only BK’s DNA on a portion of the knife sheath’s snap, also has a vehicle that looks very similar to BK’s and picked up on surveillance amazingly at the same time BK was out driving around the area that fateful early morning with his phone offline during the entire murder window. Oh and this person/framer also fits the witness DM’s description and has bushy eyebrows just like BK.

Yeah no, personally not buying any frame-up of BK for reasons you point out and reasons listed above, in addition to the fact that imo had someone else done this horrible crime and trying to frame him for it, BK would/should have a much better/solid valid alibi, notwithstanding.


IMHOO

 

[Warwick7]

Just remembering BK’s behavior was strange in Penn when he got home, wearing plastic gloves all the time, So much so that one of his sisters thinking he might be involved with the murders , pointed out to the family that he had proximity and a car that matched the description and his behavior at home was strange and suspicious. BK’s father said that there was no way BK would do something like that. ( unfathomable)

There was such concern that the sister and other family members looked through his car however he had already cleaned it with bleach. And , when the raid happened just prior to dawn , he was up , wearing gloves and sealing his trash in plastic baggies! He also put his trash in neighbors bin in wee hours of morning.

Will defense use ASD and associated paranoia to explain his behavior?

Bryan Kohberger’s sister feared he could be involved in Idaho murders before sudden arrest

Sources told NBC’s Dateline that the accused killer’s family searched his white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the crime

www.yahoo.com

BBM
Wow!!!!! I did not know this!!

 

[Sachi]

BBM
Wow!!!!! I did not know this!!

It’s in that article.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Boxer]

Not only all that, some person framing BK just so happened to have a vehicle that looks very similar to his driving in the area at the same exact time BK was also out driving in the area -just not over ‘there’, and while his-BK’s phone just happened to be off/untraceable for the murder window while the real killer/framer was in the house slaughtering the four college co-eds and planting the sheath with BK’s DNA on it.

How lucky the real killer/framer not only managed to somehow obtain and leave/transfer only BK’s DNA on a portion of the knife sheath’s snap, also has a vehicle that looks very similar to BK’s and picked up on surveillance amazingly at the same time BK was out driving around the area that fateful early morning with his phone offline during the entire murder window. Oh and this person/framer also fits the witness DM’s description and has bushy eyebrows just like BK.

Yeah no, personally not buying any frame-up of BK for reasons you point out and reasons listed above, in addition to the fact that imo had someone else done this horrible crime and trying to frame him for it, BK would/should have a much better/solid valid alibi, notwithstanding.


IMHOO

They are just saying BK lost control of the knife one way or another and the other person did the crime. Not a frame up.
So its going to be a battle of the supporting evidence that makes him the culprit BARD.
The car, no alibi, the phone off window for the crime and the DNA.

 

[schooling]

Except this isn't a Hollywood script and very, very, VERY rarely does it unfold that way in real life. When you work in emergency situations, you realize that people are often going to throw out anything and everything that happened and when you cut them off, especially in such a curt way, you risk losing out on valuable (sometimes lifesaving) information. Yes of course, you need to keep to the facts, but the operator had no idea what DM was about to tell her. The intervention for someone unconscious will vary depending on circumstances and mechanism of injury. For example, a spinal injury will require modified CPR. A drug overdose may require Narcan. These things are critical.

But even if they were irrelevant, it was the way in which the operator handled it that was terrible. That is not how you to talk to a traumatized individual.

MOO.

I think this is a great reminder and point to consider when anyone proposes the "this is a conspiracy against BK" theory.

Which (IMO) requires the close coordination of hundreds if not thousands of people across a federal law enforcement agency, multiple state and local law enforcement agencies across 3 states, multiple labs, prosecutors and likely involving hundreds if not thousands of people in total.

Or it's just that...he did it.

MOO