4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[schooling]

Lots of references to Kabars in the docs released-I also wonder if they have tied him to the purchase. I’m of the opinion that they have not-defense was fighting hard on search histories and what shows up in one’s social media suggested items. The algorithm is uncanny and I’ve had stuff show up just because I know Alexa or Siri is listening to my conversations. Defense is trying to get anything thrown out that they can, since they don’t have much to work with.

IMO he purchased the knife on Wednesday March 30th, 2022 from Amazon and received it just a few days later.

MOO

 

[Ghostwheel]

Was just listening to the new episode of The King Road Killings podcast. While they were talking about the early calls and texts DM made in the middle of the night, I had a thought.

We were all kind of puzzling over how the texts between DM and BF in the middle of the night seem to start mid conversation, with BF very quickly mentioning that Xana had been wearing all black--as if in reply to DM telling her she saw someone wearing all black outside her door.

The Motion in Limine about the texts and calls states that between 4:19-4:21, DM calls BF, XK, MM, and KG but none of them answer. Then right after that at 4:22 DM starts texting BF that no one is answering and that she confused. That's when BF starts texting about Xana wearing black.

I wonder if during the initial call from DM to BF that went unanswered, DM left a quick voicemail to BF along the lines of "I just saw a someone all in black outside my room and noise upstairs but now it's quiet and no one else in the house is answering."

I'm throwing this out there. Seems like every time I hear the 911 call, there is one more thing that wasn't in the previous version of it, a line from the dispatcher, the phone number (yep, it's in a version), etc.

So, what if there were previous texts from before the first text released? What if there is one or more that has either information they don't want released yet, or does not fit in for that particular document? Say they just want to prove a time line of X time to X time and released just the texts needed for that. Suppose there was a text message at 4:19 that says "I just saw someone dressed in black go out the sliding door" or has something more in it that they don't want known yet, or they don't want to include it with the other texts for some legal reason to use it differently.

Totally random. Maybe more texts, maybe phone calls. I mean, I can't see DM texting "Are you there?" to everyone EXCEPT BF. There is no evidence of a text to BF asking if she is OK. And that should have started off their text conversation, in my mind.

 

[vls12345]

With so many motions & the seeming plan of defense to say that while the DNA is BK's, someone else was the murderer & left the sheath at the scene, I really wonder how the brainstorming sessions go in the defense offices. Do they literally sit around & come up with a list of every inane possibility (can't say the word "murder", can't say the word "psychopath", it must have been SODDI who left the sheath with BK's dna, he was stargazing, etc.) & just run with it? Do they run this by BK first for his approval & agreement? Are they getting ideas from him? Does he suddenly say after they've been working with him for a year, "oh yeah, I did handle a knife & sheath at the store but didn't buy it, that must be the one used" & then they take that & run with it? Imo, it seems like it's spiraling too far, too much, & has entered ridiculous land. (Which I think the judge also sees & agrees.) I get that defendants are entitled to a competent & vigorous defense, but is this level of manipulation by the defense normal? (I mean, it doesn't seem normal to me for the defense to try to bar the use of the word murder during a murder trial where there are four victims who were brutally butchered.)

I guess I'm stunned at the level to which defense is stooping, reaching so far as to be ridiculous. And frankly really insulting to the victims' families. It's like defense is trying to prank the court. It's bonkers. MOO.

 

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[al66pine]

BK's Social Media Posts

I recall numerous posts here about BK's posts re drug addiction, rehab, etc..

Did any reputable MSM outlets report on these as confirmed-to-be-factual, meaning that -
- BK was the author of the posts, and/or
- BK was drug addicted, and/or
- BK received medical treatment for addiction, IIRC, inpatient facility.

Or were all ^ reports couched in equivocal or vague phrasing to guard against defamation actions.

Not asking or commenting about whether any of his posts, or addiction, or treatment- if factual - may be admissible at trial.

 

[Cool Cats]

BK's Social Media Posts

I recall numerous posts here about BK's posts re drug addiction, rehab, etc..

Did any reputable MSM outlets report on these as confirmed-to-be-factual, meaning that -
- BK was the author of the posts, and/or
- BK was drug addicted, and/or
- BK received medical treatment for addiction, IIRC, inpatient facility.

Or were all ^ reports couched in equivocal or vague phrasing to guard against defamation actions.

Not asking or commenting about whether any of his posts, or addiction, or treatment- if factual - may be admissible at trial.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article272531864.html

Bryan Kohberger lived here: Pennsylvania friends, neighbors recall Idaho homicide suspect​

Idaho Murders Update: Suspect Had Heroin Addiction, Drove A White Hyundai Elantra

A classmate of murder suspect Bryan Kohberger believed that he allegedly committed the crime because "he didn't get the proper help."

www.ibtimes.com

Drug abuse is a problem in the area. The region has one of the highest rates of overdose deaths in one of the worst-hit states for the U.S. opioid epidemic. Kohberger had his own lengthy battle with drug addiction, several former friends told the Statesman. Suspect’s, region’s drug dependency Monroe County rests at Pennsylvania’s northeastern edge bordering New Jersey and is just one county over from the New York state line. Consequently, the Poconos region sits adjacent to the nation’s largest heroin trafficking hub and market, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

Pennsylvania maintains one of the nation’s highest rates of drug overdose deaths annually, consistently in the top five in recent years, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported. In 2020, Monroe County far outpaced the state in the category, ranking third among Pennsylvania’s 67 counties, according to the latest data available from its Department of Health. The close of his high school career and the years that followed, Kohberger’s friends said, were marked by a marijuana habit graduating into a heroin addiction. As an upperclassman, Kohberger started spending time with another group of high school kids with whom she and her friends didn’t gel, Casey Arntz recalled. “Honestly, I feel he was looking for validation, and that’s why he fell into that crowd,” she told the Statesman in a phone interview. “And honestly, it’s why he fell into the whole drug scene.”

Jeremy Saba, a neighbor two houses from Kohberger’s childhood home, was part of that group and introduced Kohberger to heroin, Baylis, Casey and Thomas Arntz said. Saba and Kohberger can be seen together in a photo that Saba posted on Facebook in August 2016 — four months after Saba was arrested and charged with a DUI and misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia. He later pleaded guilty to both charges, according to Pennsylvania court records. “I didn’t like him personally because he got my boy into heroin,” Baylis said by phone, mentioning his falling out with Kohberger for several years over his drug issues. “I think drugs goofed him pretty bad. He was having a time. He’d tell me, ‘I’m clean now, I’m totally clean now,’ and he’d have bleeding track marks” on his arms.

In high school, Kohberger also started using heroin with classmate Ashley Flugel, Thomas Arntz said.
About two months later, Kohberger reached out to her again to ask for a ride after he said his car broke down, and she agreed to help him, the messages showed. Weeks later, Casey Arntz came to learn that Kohberger’s errand was actually to buy heroin and needles, she said.

“He literally used me to get it,” she told the Statesman. “I was freaking out and not happy I had heroin in my car and didn’t even know.” The correspondence shows Casey Arntz sent Kohberger a message that May scolding him for putting her in jeopardy had Kohberger been caught. He responded with three words. “I’m in rehab,” Kohberger wrote. He offered an apology more than three weeks later, which she rebuffed.

Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger Was A Heroin Addict, Was In Rehab: Former Co-worker

A former co-worker of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger said he never thought the suspect would kill people, describing his family as "nice."

www.ibtimes.com

Rich Pasqua, a former acquaintance of Kohberger who once worked with him at a pizza shop, told Fox News host Lawrence Jones on Saturday's "Cross Country" that he and the murder suspect were both heroin addicts.

Pasqua claimed he had used drugs with Kohberger, 28, "a couple of times."

"I got six years clean now," Pasqua said. "I work in treatment and everything, but back then I was using. And so that's how I know for a fact he was using. I've got high with him a couple of times and used with him."

Pasqua alleged that drug dealers he knew would deliver drugs to Kohberger frequently.

Kohberger's former co-worker believed the suspect "must have cleaned up" after going to college, adding that Kohberger "was in and out of rehab a couple of times."

Kohberger's friends in high school also claimed that the suspect had struggled with heroin addiction.
One former classmate of Kohberger in Northampton Community College claimed that the suspect would talk "for hours" about his drug addiction and weight loss.

 

[al66pine]

BK's Soc.Media Posts

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article272531864.html

Bryan Kohberger lived here: Pennsylvania friends, neighbors recall Idaho homicide suspect​

Idaho Murders Update: Suspect Had Heroin Addiction, Drove A White Hyundai Elantra

A classmate of murder suspect Bryan Kohberger believed that he allegedly committed the crime because "he didn't get the proper help."

www.ibtimes.com

Drug abuse is a problem in the area. The region has one of the highest rates of overdose deaths in one of the worst-hit states for the U.S. opioid epidemic. Kohberger had his own lengthy battle with drug addiction, several former friends told the Statesman. Suspect’s, region’s drug dependency Monroe County rests at Pennsylvania’s northeastern edge bordering New Jersey and is just one county over from the New York state line. Consequently, the Poconos region sits adjacent to the nation’s largest heroin trafficking hub and market, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

Pennsylvania maintains one of the nation’s highest rates of drug overdose deaths annually, consistently in the top five in recent years, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported. In 2020, Monroe County far outpaced the state in the category, ranking third among Pennsylvania’s 67 counties, according to the latest data available from its Department of Health. The close of his high school career and the years that followed, Kohberger’s friends said, were marked by a marijuana habit graduating into a heroin addiction. As an upperclassman, Kohberger started spending time with another group of high school kids with whom she and her friends didn’t gel, Casey Arntz recalled. “Honestly, I feel he was looking for validation, and that’s why he fell into that crowd,” she told the Statesman in a phone interview. “And honestly, it’s why he fell into the whole drug scene.”

Jeremy Saba, a neighbor two houses from Kohberger’s childhood home, was part of that group and introduced Kohberger to heroin, Baylis, Casey and Thomas Arntz said. Saba and Kohberger can be seen together in a photo that Saba posted on Facebook in August 2016 — four months after Saba was arrested and charged with a DUI and misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia. He later pleaded guilty to both charges, according to Pennsylvania court records. “I didn’t like him personally because he got my boy into heroin,” Baylis said by phone, mentioning his falling out with Kohberger for several years over his drug issues. “I think drugs goofed him pretty bad. He was having a time. He’d tell me, ‘I’m clean now, I’m totally clean now,’ and he’d have bleeding track marks” on his arms.

In high school, Kohberger also started using heroin with classmate Ashley Flugel, Thomas Arntz said.
About two months later, Kohberger reached out to her again to ask for a ride after he said his car broke down, and she agreed to help him, the messages showed. Weeks later, Casey Arntz came to learn that Kohberger’s errand was actually to buy heroin and needles, she said.

“He literally used me to get it,” she told the Statesman. “I was freaking out and not happy I had heroin in my car and didn’t even know.” The correspondence shows Casey Arntz sent Kohberger a message that May scolding him for putting her in jeopardy had Kohberger been caught. He responded with three words. “I’m in rehab,” Kohberger wrote. He offered an apology more than three weeks later, which she rebuffed.

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Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger Was A Heroin Addict, Was In Rehab: Former Co-worker

A former co-worker of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger said he never thought the suspect would kill people, describing his family as "nice."

www.ibtimes.com

Rich Pasqua, a former acquaintance of Kohberger who once worked with him at a pizza shop, told Fox News host Lawrence Jones on Saturday's "Cross Country" that he and the murder suspect were both heroin addicts.

Pasqua claimed he had used drugs with Kohberger, 28, "a couple of times."

"I got six years clean now," Pasqua said. "I work in treatment and everything, but back then I was using. And so that's how I know for a fact he was using. I've got high with him a couple of times and used with him."

Pasqua alleged that drug dealers he knew would deliver drugs to Kohberger frequently.

Kohberger's former co-worker believed the suspect "must have cleaned up" after going to college, adding that Kohberger "was in and out of rehab a couple of times."

Kohberger's friends in high school also claimed that the suspect had struggled with heroin addiction.
One former classmate of Kohberger in Northampton Community College claimed that the suspect would talk "for hours" about his drug addiction and weight loss.

@Cool Cats Thx so very much for this ^.

Adds weight to credibility re BK's drug issues. imo.

 

[Cool Cats]

BK's Soc.Media Posts

@Cool Cats Thx so very much for this ^.

Adds weight to credibility re BK's drug issues. imo.

Yes and what makes it more credible is multiple witnesses who actually give their real names rather than just using the the term "source." And multiple articles. Happy to help alpine.

 

[femto]

I think it's important to keep in mind that we here have 102 pages, thousands of posts, knowing that those four kids were murdered that night and the magnitude of it.

DM did not know anything other than seeing a guy in black walk past her door early in the morning. She didn't connect the dots that something horrific had occurred.

But now, when listening to the 911 call, you can tell the dots do connect for her; something very, very bad had happened. There really are no words to express the magnitude of what they all went through that morning.

Prayers for them and justice.

MOO.

I disagree. She obviously knew something bad has happened judging by her hysterical reaction both on the phone and in her texts to BF. Not the full extent, but she knew something terrible has happened. All the rest is just her being petrified and trying to reassure herself that it's just a 'bad dream'. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, nothing she could have done would have changed anything except possibly getting herself killed.

MOO



Does anyone have a good source for the following information?

I can't find "who" and "when" and "what happened" from the time BF and DM stopped texting each other up until 911 was called.

All I've been able to glean is that BF and DM ended up in the same room; late morning they started contacting others, including a father; some people guided the women; some people showed up either because they were asked or because they couldn't reach someone.

WHEN/where did BF and DM go to sleep?

WHEN did they wake up?

Is it true someone found one of these women asleep on the floor? (I think this was an error by a commenter based on misinterpreting 911 call.)

WHO did BF and DM contact then?

WHAT did they say and what were the responses?

WHO came over? And did they arrive because they were contacted or because they couldn't reach the roommates?

WHAT was said or done then? (Before 911 call.)




MOO

1. Presumably in BF's room on the first floor since the last text indicates DM went there.
2. Around the time the 911 call (11 AM) was made would be most likely
3. They presumed Xana was 'asleep'. My theory is that Xana was on the floor with a semi-closed door and parts of her body were visible (shoulders, back, etc) but not the full extent of the damage she suffered. So they presumed she passed out. Only after HJ pried the door open fully did he see the carnage
4. HJ (Ethan's friend) and his girlfriend (a neighbor of theirs)
5. You hear what they said on the phone call.
5. I don't think that has been established. Either one is possible.
6. I doubt it was much other than what you hear on the 911 call. They weren't sure what has happened, none of them had even checked the bodies until HJ did in the recording (and you can actually hear when he finally founds Xana and Ethan) with an audible scream. And they didn't know about Maddie, Kaylee or even Ethan. So I doubt they did much talking apart from a quick 'what's going on, what has happened, Xana has passed out, etc' before promptly calling 911.

 

[arielilane]

BK's Social Media Posts

I recall numerous posts here about BK's posts re drug addiction, rehab, etc..

Did any reputable MSM outlets report on these as confirmed-to-be-factual, meaning that -
- BK was the author of the posts, and/or
- BK was drug addicted, and/or
- BK received medical treatment for addiction, IIRC, inpatient facility.

Or were all ^ reports couched in equivocal or vague phrasing to guard against defamation actions.

Not asking or commenting about whether any of his posts, or addiction, or treatment- if factual - may be admissible at trial.

Here are a few articles on BK's alleged drug addiction. Not sure if these are considered reputable msm sources.

Bryan Kohberger was 'overweight and bullied before becoming addict'

Bryan Kohberger, 28, was bullied and dropped 100 pounds in his senior year of high school before taking up hard drugs, two of his former friends have revealed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

1/8/2023

Bryan Kohberger’s childhood friends say he was a bully and used heroin in high school

Mr Kohberger has been extradited back to Idaho to face charges

www.the-independent.com

1/6/2023




In a series of videos posted after Kohberger’s arrest, former student CA described the suspect as a “heavy heroin user back in high school” — a claim repeated to Fox News by a different classmate.

But by 2017, he was sober, Amtz said.

Everything revealed about Bryan Kohberger, suspect in the Idaho college murders, since his arrest

Bryan Kohberger was a “creepy” loner who went from being “perpetually exhausted” to eerily “chattier” after his alleged slaughter of four Idaho college students, chilling new details reveal.…

nypost.com

1/2/2023




And the winner is:

According to the records, MK told law enforcement Bryan had warned him "not to do anything stupid" after learning his son had taken the phone, adding that his son had struggled with drug addiction.

Bryan Kohberger, Idaho murders suspect, first arrested in 2014, records show

"You want to get all the puzzle pieces figured out."

6abc.com

6/27/2023


Apparently, his drug use a significant part of his past, particularly during high school and early college years, before deciding to turn his life around to pursue higher education in criminology.

 

[DizzyB]

Here are a few articles on BK's alleged drug addiction. Not sure if these are considered reputable msm sources.

Bryan Kohberger was 'overweight and bullied before becoming addict'

Bryan Kohberger, 28, was bullied and dropped 100 pounds in his senior year of high school before taking up hard drugs, two of his former friends have revealed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

1/8/2023

Bryan Kohberger’s childhood friends say he was a bully and used heroin in high school

Mr Kohberger has been extradited back to Idaho to face charges

www.the-independent.com

1/6/2023




In a series of videos posted after Kohberger’s arrest, former student CA described the suspect as a “heavy heroin user back in high school” — a claim repeated to Fox News by a different classmate.

But by 2017, he was sober, Amtz said.

Everything revealed about Bryan Kohberger, suspect in the Idaho college murders, since his arrest

Bryan Kohberger was a “creepy” loner who went from being “perpetually exhausted” to eerily “chattier” after his alleged slaughter of four Idaho college students, chilling new details reveal.…

nypost.com

1/2/2023




And the winner is:

According to the records, MK told law enforcement Bryan had warned him "not to do anything stupid" after learning his son had taken the phone, adding that his son had struggled with drug addiction.

Bryan Kohberger, Idaho murders suspect, first arrested in 2014, records show

"You want to get all the puzzle pieces figured out."

6abc.com

6/27/2023


Apparently, his drug use a significant part of his past, particularly during high school and early college years, before deciding to turn his life around to pursue higher education in criminology.

What do you think was the inference of “not to do anything stupid”? A threat? An appeal so that he did not end up in more trouble, jeopardizing his future? Was the dad frightened of his son? Why did the Dad tell that to LE?

 

[Megnut]

Here are a few articles on BK's alleged drug addiction. Not sure if these are considered reputable msm sources.

Bryan Kohberger was 'overweight and bullied before becoming addict'

Bryan Kohberger, 28, was bullied and dropped 100 pounds in his senior year of high school before taking up hard drugs, two of his former friends have revealed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

1/8/2023

Bryan Kohberger’s childhood friends say he was a bully and used heroin in high school

Mr Kohberger has been extradited back to Idaho to face charges

www.the-independent.com

1/6/2023




In a series of videos posted after Kohberger’s arrest, former student CA described the suspect as a “heavy heroin user back in high school” — a claim repeated to Fox News by a different classmate.

But by 2017, he was sober, Amtz said.

Everything revealed about Bryan Kohberger, suspect in the Idaho college murders, since his arrest

Bryan Kohberger was a “creepy” loner who went from being “perpetually exhausted” to eerily “chattier” after his alleged slaughter of four Idaho college students, chilling new details reveal.…

nypost.com

1/2/2023




And the winner is:

According to the records, MK told law enforcement Bryan had warned him "not to do anything stupid" after learning his son had taken the phone, adding that his son had struggled with drug addiction.

Bryan Kohberger, Idaho murders suspect, first arrested in 2014, records show

"You want to get all the puzzle pieces figured out."

6abc.com

6/27/2023


Apparently, his drug use a significant part of his past, particularly during high school and early college years, before deciding to turn his life around to pursue higher education in criminology.

Rbbm

I think they meant:

Before deciding to commit high crime.

I think BK wasn't all that committed to higher education. He didn't want to study criminals. He wanted to be one.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

I didn't know anything of Papa Rodgers or InsideLooking until last night.
My word! I am still stunned.

Bryan Kohberger believed to have joined online discussion groups

Former FBI investigator Jennifer Coffindaffer suggested that suspect Bryan Kohberger joined social media discussion groups about the Idaho murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[al66pine]

Early Coverage re BK, Drug Addiction, & Rehab

@arielilane @DizzyB @Megnut @Cool Cats​

TYVM for rounding up these quotes & links.
Interesting to read all of them at one sitting.

Former pizza place co-worker who said he did drugs w BK a couple times seems like the most concrete stmt about BK drug use, other than cannabis.
Others' stmts were not so solid: ~ he started hanging around w the wrong crowd, girl gave BK a ride as a favor, then found out she was taking him to dealer.
All dependent on credibility of speakers and accuracy of reporters.

Lotsa talk about weight loss, being creepy, awkward, etc.
All going back to what, ~ 2013-2018?

Again not predicting whether admissible at trial. Or whether prosecutor would try.

Thx, sleuthers : )

 

[Boxer]

Missed this, has it been eatanlished Papa Rodgers actualky Brian Kohberger, or just a bad joke or hoax.

 

[Warwick7]

Missed this, has it been eatanlished Papa Rodgers actualky Brian Kohberger, or just a bad joke or hoax.

I shouldn't have but I stayed up all night long (fell asleep at 6am) reading and Googling, watching YouTube, and comparing notes. M00 is BK is Papa Rodgers and InsideLooking, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Justice101]

With so many motions & the seeming plan of defense to say that while the DNA is BK's, someone else was the murderer & left the sheath at the scene, I really wonder how the brainstorming sessions go in the defense offices. Do they literally sit around & come up with a list of every inane possibility (can't say the word "murder", can't say the word "psychopath", it must have been SODDI who left the sheath with BK's dna, he was stargazing, etc.) & just run with it? Do they run this by BK first for his approval & agreement? Are they getting ideas from him? Does he suddenly say after they've been working with him for a year, "oh yeah, I did handle a knife & sheath at the store but didn't buy it, that must be the one used" & then they take that & run with it? Imo, it seems like it's spiraling too far, too much, & has entered ridiculous land. (Which I think the judge also sees & agrees.) I get that defendants are entitled to a competent & vigorous defense, but is this level of manipulation by the defense normal? (I mean, it doesn't seem normal to me for the defense to try to bar the use of the word murder during a murder trial where there are four victims who were brutally butchered.)

I guess I'm stunned at the level to which defense is stooping, reaching so far as to be ridiculous. And frankly really insulting to the victims' families. It's like defense is trying to prank the court. It's bonkers. MOO.

I don't think BK is probably participating much other than telling him "It wasn't me, I was star gazing, I drive around a lot, I turned my phone off to save my dying battery, I am a germaphobe that is why I was throwing away stuff in PA using gloves."

My opinion is he was told up front that if he admitted guilt to them, then they could not defend him as not guilty. I thought I read that somewhere. They really don't want to question him too thoroughly.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

Early Coverage re BK, Drug Addiction, & Rehab

@arielilane @DizzyB @Megnut @Cool Cats​

TYVM for rounding up these quotes & links.
Interesting to read all of them at one sitting.

Former pizza place co-worker who said he did drugs w BK a couple times seems like the most concrete stmt about BK drug use, other than cannabis.
Others' stmts were not so solid: ~ he started hanging around w the wrong crowd, girl gave BK a ride as a favor, then found out she was taking him to dealer.
All dependent on credibility of speakers and accuracy of reporters.

Lotsa talk about weight loss, being creepy, awkward, etc.
All going back to what, ~ 2013-2018?

Again not predicting whether admissible at trial. Or whether prosecutor would try.

Thx, sleuthers : )

I personally don't think they even need these character anecdotes to convict him.

In fact since it is someone's opinion if he was creepy, they will probably steer clear of most of that unless it is a professional's opinion.

Just my 2 cents' worth

 

[Gemmie]

Missed this, has it been eatanlished Papa Rodgers actualky Brian Kohberger, or just a bad joke or hoax.

It has not been proven, but a lot of people think it is him. JMO

For the record... it's Pappa.

 

[QB2022]

Are there any verified-in-mental-health folks here on WS who could explain how being autistic/ on the spectrum connects to planning and executing a slaughter such as we are discussing, much less a single murder?

I am acquainted with a number of young adults “on the spectrum,” a few so extreme they over came being non-verbal children, and none of them seem hostile or angry enough (IMHO) to commit murder. They are all delightful in unique ways and have learned appropriate social skills — that is they are capable of healthy relationships.

Is it the sort of “getting stuck” on a topic and perseverating? I’m seriously trying to understand how an autism diagnosis might prevent a murderer from being held fully accountable.

Well my autistic children have an overwhelming sense of justice and an empathy level that puts 95% of people to shame.

Autism does not ever make you a murderer. I could understand perhaps an autistic person being more likely to be involved in an accident that led to poor outcomes but it is a disgrace to suggest being autistic explains killing 4 people.