4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[Boxer]

While we wait for new things to be undisclosed, been rethinking some things. Phones and cameras present a big conundrum for criminals/murderers these days and
I’m back to thinking about why BK didn’t just leave his phone at home in ‘on’ mode. Can’t remember if BK’s apartment complex in Pullman had outside surveillance cameras or not.
Anyhoo, I think he didn’t leave his phone at home cuz if complex had cameras, he might’ve thought the cameras could pick him up/show him departing. Or if no cameras there, maybe thought a neighbor potentially up/awake at that hour might see him leaving. Both of those things would blow ‘I was at home/home sleeping the whole time’ alibi out of the water. Guess he must’ve chose the lesser of 2 evils (pardon the pun), decided to take the phone and shut it off was the better option thinking they wouldn’t be able to prove he was at crime scene because he thought shutting off phone couldn’t track/trace back to him??? Or that cell tower ping/triangulation couldn’t place him at the scene (I was out driving around just not over there). And presents this so called alibi (it’s not) over a year later via AT. lol.

But drives his own vehicle to do the murders??? I mean he had to know there were some outdoor cameras around 1122 King as he’d driven by there a dozen times in the months prior. Idk maybe he thought the cameras near 1122 King Road would be too grainy or something.

He really had no other way to get there though unless he rode a bike, stole or rented a vehicle, walked lol, well all those things are traceable too because……cameras. I guess if he rented a vehicle a day or two before (ala stepmonster Leticia Stauch). Of course, a rented vehicle would be picked up on cameras around 1122 King but might? have taken a little longer for LE to trace a rented vehicle back to him.

I tell yah, digital footprints trip these guys up so bad. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad because they’re getting caught faster with more frequency these days thanks to ever improving digital forensics technology which is a good thing for everyone/society.

Unless you live under a rock, you know there are cameras just about everywhere today. So unless you want to live out in the middle of nowhere or on some deserted island with no cameras around and don’t own a phone, don’t expect to get away with murder too easily. Even if you commit murder inside your home with no cameras around, you still need to travel outside to get rid of body unless you bury body under your basement, well eventually cops will come calling when people notice victim is missing and/or the corpse’s smell becomes so bad, your visitors or neighbors will report it. Can’t bury body in your backyard because your neighbors might have surveillance or ring cameras. So many dilemmas, so little time. Yet these murdering creeps will continue making the same stupid mistakes over & over.

Even the best made and executed plans will likely come back to haunt/bite you in some form or fashion via digital forensics.

I guess in this case I’ve just been a little more perplexed than usual knowing BK’s a Criminology graduate and PhD candidate showing interest in working in LE at one point
should a.) know better than most of his ilk or, b.) was it just utter arrogance or, c.) for the notoriety???
I’m going with a combo of b & c.

Another thing I wonder about BK,
after watching a killer in prison interviewed recently that said he’d had homicidal urges for awhile and intrusive obsessive thoughts that were driving him crazy is how he described it. He said once he gave in to his urge and murdered his girlfriend, he felt healed because the obsessive thoughts finally stopped. He needed those thoughts out of his head.
Made me stop and think of BK given his OCD r/t if he had some of these/similar type urges/compulsions and obsessive thoughts. Can’t remember the killer interviewed’s name but I watched it on ID channel, Interview with a Psychopath I believe is what the show’s called, something like that. Former FBI profiler Brad Garrett is a contributor on the show.
I’ve watched a few killers interviewed on this particular show. It is mind numbing to see some of these perps speak about and describe the killing(s) without a shred of sorrow, emotion or remorse, like it was just another routine day in the life of…
Absolutely chilling.

ETA- maybe we’ll get to see BK interviewed from prison some day.
Stay tuned.

IMHOO

Have no idea if the early FB participant Papa Roger was BK, but that profile mentioned several times the belief that white sedans being the most common car in America made it a needle in a haystack.

 

[Boxer]

Oh yeah I think there’s more sealed we haven’t heard about yet and anxiously awaiting to learn more about what else the state has.

As far as I can recall, other than the Amazon purchases and clicks, we haven’t heard anything about his computer or any other electronic device activity. I’m particularly interested in his computer and/or any other device’s search history, sites he was visiting, and of course what else was on his phone like pictures etc. Lord knows Internet searches has contributed to the downfall of many a murderer.

Can’t wait, looking forward to learning more and having new ‘stuff’ for us to analyze and discuss!

IMHOO

Waiting to see what "underlining on page 118" is.

https://www.nwpb.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Search-Warrant_1.png

 

[Kemug]

Lol. I love the snark.
View attachment 573333

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032125-States-Reply-Defendants-Reply-States-Opposition-MIL-11-RE-Exclude-IGG-Evidence.pdf

So someone tipped off LE? His sister maybe?

 

[fcavanaugh]

Have no idea if the early FB participant Papa Roger was BK, but that profile mentioned several times the belief that white sedans being the most common car in America made it a needle in a haystack.

That’s a very good point. I believe white vehicles and black are near the top, if not tops, in the vehicle color department.

Yup, carfax link below lists White as most common color vehicle edging out Black by slim margin.

https://www.carfax.com/buying/most-popular-car-colors

IMHOO

Edit-added link

 

[MassGuy]

So someone tipped off LE? His sister maybe?

No, although I do think certain family members provided important evidence later. This "tip," is the IGG result. It won't be discussed at trial, and will just be characterized as a lead.

 

[Kemug]

No, although I do think certain family members provided important evidence later. This "tip," is the IGG result. It won't be discussed at trial, and will just be characterized as a lead.

Oh, thanks.

 

[Ghostwheel]

That’s a very good point. I believe white vehicles and black are near the top, if not tops, in the vehicle color department.

Yup, carfax link below lists White as most common color vehicle edging out Black by slim margin.

https://www.carfax.com/buying/most-popular-car-colors

IMHOO

Edit-added link

Just me being me. I always find it funny they say that white is the most "popular" color. It's the most common color, but that is because it is the color most commonly made and has no upcharge. Dealers know they can sell white. It's cheap and people will buy white even if they wanted purple just because purple will cost $1000 more and it's a 3 month wait. Plus white ages well, which doesn't make it popular, just a pure purpose vehicle.

It would be interesting to see how many people would choose white if they could have teal or hot pink or chartreuse immediately for no extra charge.

I return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Have no idea if the early FB participant Papa Roger was BK, but that profile mentioned several times the belief that white sedans being the most common car in America made it a needle in a haystack.

And that would have been posted like a person who knows zero about cars....... He deserves to have his car identified.

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

Another thought about the ghoul selfie: Who did he send it to?

 

[wendy44]

Anyone remember the "phone turned off" was the clinch in the Tammy Moore trial?!
It was a stroke of genius how Nancy Livesay nailed TM....

I've said before in this thread--she had one of the best closing arguments I've ever seen.
JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I've said before in this thread--she had one of the best closing arguments I've ever seen.
JMO

Interesting. I will have to check this out.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Waiting to see what "underlining on page 118" is.

https://www.nwpb.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Search-Warrant_1.png

There were also multiple black face masks, black gloves & hat 16 - 19.

We had a discussion way back in the beginning that the book with underlining was the one by Margaret Atwood (Handmaids Tale?). BK was shown sitting in the front row during a Guest Speaker appearance by her. Wow, that seems like ages ago.

moo

 

[Sachi]

I wish the accused was reduced to being referred to as a number , a meaningless combination of boring numbers.

Justice for
Xena, Ethan, Madison and Kaylee

 

[Cindizzi]

In the latest drop of court filings in Bryan Kohberger’s criminal case, the prosecution hinted that it might call members of the 30-year-old’s family to testify at his upcoming trial.

Latah County Senior Deputy Prosecutor Ashley Jennings asked in the Friday filing, which was published on the court’s website Monday, that if any members of Kohberger’s family are listed as witnesses for the prosecution that they be excluded from the courtroom until they testify. The prosecution has until April 21 to file its witness list.

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https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article302722864.html

 

[Sachi]

Bolded by me.


IMO:

A quadruple murder is an extreme circumstance committed by the criminal. At that point the suspect is unpredictable and volatile. He has already exploded and may do so again. They had no way of knowing what he would do next.

There was no evidence he was going to run? He already did! There was no evidence he wasn't going to run. There was no evidence he wasn't going to hurt his family or himself. They had reason to believe he would, though.

There have been many times a suspect went on to commit more crimes before authorities acted, and they got heat for it.

It was BK who caused the trauma and damage to his family. It was his choice.


All MOO

The piece of paper with his passport , wondering about that. Was he going to try and bolt out of the country .. pondering

 

[SteveP]

In the latest drop of court filings in Bryan Kohberger’s criminal case, the prosecution hinted that it might call members of the 30-year-old’s family to testify at his upcoming trial.

Latah County Senior Deputy Prosecutor Ashley Jennings asked in the Friday filing, which was published on the court’s website Monday, that if any members of Kohberger’s family are listed as witnesses for the prosecution that they be excluded from the courtroom until they testify. The prosecution has until April 21 to file its witness list.

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https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article302722864.html

I expect that, among the many things that family member(s) may be asked about Bryan's life, surely someone, my guess is the sister who suspected him of being the killer, will be asked and will be able to corroborate evidence that BK had purchased a KaBar knife from Amazon, and that it was never seen in the home again, after he left for Washington, and yes, the sheath that they will surely be shown in court does look like the sheath to the knife that he bought. I also expect they may also be asked about his peculiar behavior upon returning home after the murders, about if it was normal behavior for him to wear gloves in the house, and normal for him to bag his trash and separate it from the other family members', and I expect the sister to be asked why she suspected BK enough to search his car.

I do not know how helpul BK's parents may be if called to testify, and I would expect the state to tread lightly with them, so as not to come off as unsympathetic to them, but I expect the sister's testimony to be very helpful to the state's case. JMO

 

[Gigiky]

I wish the accused was reduced to being referred to as a number , a meaningless combination of boring numbers.

Justice for
Xena, Ethan, Madison and Kaylee

All in good time.

 

[Sundog]

I expect that, among the many things that family member(s) may be asked about Bryan's life, surely someone, my guess is the sister who suspected him of being the killer, will be asked and will be able to corroborate evidence that BK had purchased a KaBar knife from Amazon, andDid that it was never seen in the home again, after he left for Washington, and yes, the sheath that they will surely be shown in court does look like the sheath to the knife that he bought. I also expect they may also be asked about his peculiar behavior upon returning home after the murders, about if it was normal behavior for him to wear gloves in the house, and normal for him to bag his trash and separate it from the other family members', and I expect the sister to be asked why she suspected BK enough to search his car.

I do not know how helpul BK's parents may be if called to testify, and I would expect the state to tread lightly with them, so as not to come off as unsympathetic to them, but I expect the sister's testimony to be very helpful to the state's case. JMO

Do we know if the sister lived at the parents' home or was just visiting over the Christmas holidays. If she didn't normally live in the home but had her own place, then she might not be familiar with BK's habits of glove-wearing and trash separation issues and thus not able to testify about that. JMO.

 

[SteveP]

Do we know if the sister lived at the parents' home or was just visiting over the Christmas holidays. If she didn't normally live in the home but had her own place, then she might not be familiar with BK's habits of glove-wearing and trash separation issues and thus not able to testify about that. JMO.

We cannot sleuth them, but since BK is the youngest, it would be logical to assume that the two sisters probably did not live in the family home, but I believe that they would still have known if his behaviour around the holidays was "different" than what they considered his 'normal' behavior. His parents would absolutely have known if he normally wore gloves, and the sister may have asked if it seemed odd to her. Apparently, at least one sister was visiting, as she allegedly searched his car. And I absolutely believe that one sister at least knew of the knife purchase, whether she had actually ever seen it or not. I believe she had at least seen a picture of it on the website. JMO

 

[Odeto BJ]

I expect that, among the many things that family member(s) may be asked about Bryan's life, surely someone, my guess is the sister who suspected him of being the killer, will be asked and will be able to corroborate evidence that BK had purchased a KaBar knife from Amazon, and that it was never seen in the home again, after he left for Washington, and yes, the sheath that they will surely be shown in court does look like the sheath to the knife that he bought. I also expect they may also be asked about his peculiar behavior upon returning home after the murders, about if it was normal behavior for him to wear gloves in the house, and normal for him to bag his trash and separate it from the other family members', and I expect the sister to be asked why she suspected BK enough to search his car.

I do not know how helpul BK's parents may be if called to testify, and I would expect the state to tread lightly with them, so as not to come off as unsympathetic to them, but I expect the sister's testimony to be very helpful to the state's case. JMO

Evidence that it was BK and only BK of whatever group or family account he was member of, will be presented at trial...maybe by one of the sisters but corroborated by some "expert witness(es)" to establish that the knife, sheaf and sharpener were not only paid for by BK but that the IP address or possibly IMAC were those of portion of BK's electronic gear. Of course there will also be indication of the point of delivery which is most likely the Kohberger house in PA. MOO.
Which leads directly to: BK cleaned his car, inside and out, and that was observed by the family, so someone will testify to that. Of course, in terms of testimony, that leads to the cause of their searching the car, and what they might have expected to find...which might include the knife in an alternate sheaf? I would speculate there was family discussion before the search was underway too. More MOO.
I also believe his father will be called to testify; because the timeline of the cross country trip is so intertwined with that of the coinciding "tip", surveillance, gap in surveillance, warrant, sampling of the household trash and so on, that his recall of the exact timing and any locations where they stopped, fueled, ate and so on will need to be presented in court. This yields the "footing" for the indicative DNA sample from the father which led directly to the arrest warrant, as well as the basis for the reports and records of the PA surveillance. More MOO.
I believe there will be LE from PA testifying to all that was observed prior to receipt of the arrest warrant as well, with all the context that represents consciousness of guilt as well as the reason the Hyundai did not yield DNA or other ties to the victims or the crime scene. Obviously PA-LE will be testifying to events of the arrest itself and also to the results of search warrants on the PA house and the car. The parent(s) may be testifying to some of that as well, the pedigree of some of the seized goods will need to be established. We can speculate that much of it will have no association with the crime, and some of it will not be connected solely to BK.
MOO where and as applicable and cause thems the rules.