4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[MassGuy]

I believe he's to smug to cop a plea, even on the advice of his defense team. JMO.

If he was arrogant enough to think he could get away with committing a crime like this, I think he's arrogant enough to believe he can win at trial. I think the defense would take a plea in a heartbeat, so as to avoid the death penalty.

 

[MassGuy]

Latest filing. The prosecution intends to use the video of the 2022 Moscow traffic stop.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/020425-Notice-Intent-IRE404b-Evidence.pdf

 

[Balthazar]

Well to each their own but considering the context here-
the horrific, gruesome murder of four innocent college students, and the fact that some of the items collected from the murder suspect’s family home included what witness DM described the intruder/killer wearing, as well as items similar to the likely murder weapon the murderer of four innocent college students used to slaughter them to death…is pretty darned chilling to me…

IMHOO

Gloves and a black Ninja mask? Who doesn't own gloves? And a black Ninja mask - nothing in the description of the stuff LE took from the Kohberger home says it was a Ninja mask. There's nothing the least bit chilling about non-evidence found inside the home of innocent people who had nothing to do with those murders. And absolutely nothing was found that was linked to the crime. However, the fact that they took the gun does give me pause. It makes me wonder if there is evidence that a gun was used inside 1122? I recall that being an early rumor. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Gloves and a black Ninja mask? Who doesn't own gloves? And a black Ninja mask - nothing in the description of the stuff LE took from the Kohberger home says it was a Ninja mask. There's nothing the least bit chilling about non-evidence found inside the home of innocent people who had nothing to do with those murders. And absolutely nothing was found that was linked to the crime. However, the fact that they took the gun does give me pause. It makes me wonder if there is evidence that a gun was used inside 1122? I recall that being an early rumor. JMO.

How could there possibly be evidence of a gun being used in that house? We'd know.

The Glock 22 does mildly interest me though, but not in regards to the murders (although it's possible he did bring a gun in case things went sideways).

The Glock 22 used to be an incredibly popular police sidearm, before 9mm became more popular (like the Glock 17). His past history of working as a security guard, and attempting to work with that police department as a civilian, makes me wonder if he had attempted in the past to become a police officer (he almost certainly would have been denied if he did apply).

A job like that would have been about power to him, just like his TA position.

Just like the murders.

 

[Balthazar]

IMO it’s very dependent on context.

I don’t have anything to do with guns. The only face masks I’ve ever had were due to Covid. My knives are in my home, used in food preparation.

More than 44% of the US population own guns, but back in the 1800's nearly 100% owned guns.

Most people who live up north, where it snows and temperatures get below zero degrees Fahrenheit own face masks to prevent chapped skin and/or frostbite. There's nothing mysterious about this item and it is not really related to crime most of the time.

Also I haven’t been driving contemporaneously near a murder scene,

If you watch the hearing from the 23rd, you will find out he wasn't driving near the murder scene.

been described by a survivor,

If you watch the hearing from the 23rd, you will also find out that what is in the PCA is a lie. DM described a slim and skinny man who was 5'8" or taller. The description in the PCA appears to have been changed to fit BK better, but it's not what DM said. DM also said she was drunk, uncertain of what she saw or if she saw anyone. She may not have seen anyone at all. But if she did, 5'8" is a whole lot shorter than BK.

nor left my DNA on an obscure part of a knife sheath under the body of someone knifed to death.

It's transfer DNA which is nearly meaningless. There is no way to prove when or how that got on the sheath, but if you watch the hearing from the 23rd, you will learn there are all sorts of issues with the DNA. It's really very concerning.

Therefore IMO, these things found at Bryan’s home are indeed chilling. They magnify what appear to be his means and method.

None of the items are related to the crime scene or the crime and it was no longer BK's home, it was his parent's home.

Just like if I were seen on a Home Depot video, for example, purchasing a trash can. Innocuous if there is nothing in it but my trash, yet telling if a dead body is later found stuffed within.

Yet it appears that other than a minute quantity of transfer DNA absolutely nothing connects BK to the crime or crime scene.

JMO

ETA @fcavanaugh just saw your post after I posted. Completely agree.

Here is part 1 of the hearing. I know it is very long but it is well worth watching because nothing is as it has seemed, IMO.

 

[minazoe]

Bryan Kohberger is guilty and the prosecution will win their case. mOO

 

[LinasK]

I think most people have that stuff. They are hardly "chilling items." JMO.

Nope! No guns nor military knives in my household. We have a gun-free household. I insisted on it and my husband willingly gave his up for me. Only knives for cooking, steak knives. Doubtful that my husband even has a black ski mask like that. Only the animal fur, and dust. That we have in large quantities.

 

[Balthazar]

How could there possibly be evidence of a gun being used in that house? We'd know.

The Glock 22 does mildly interest me though, but not in regards to the murders (although it's possible he did bring a gun in case things went sideways).

The Glock 22 used to be an incredibly popular police sidearm, before 9mm became more popular (like the Glock 17). His past history of working as a security guard, and attempting to work with that police department as a civilian, makes me wonder if he had attempted in the past to become a police officer (he almost certainly would have been denied if he did apply).

A job like that would have been about power to him, just like his TA position.

Just like the murders.

We have not seen all of the discovery yet, so we just don't know. I'm not saying the victims were shot, I'm saying a gun could have been used to subdue or threaten the victims or even the two witnesses, DM or BF. Might explain the 8 hour gap between the murders and the 911 call. Maybe that would explain why DM and BF waited hours to call for help - if their lives were threatened, too. Since the last hearing (Jan 23 & 24, 2025), we know a lot of what was in the PCA is totally false. But even if it were true, LE never puts everything in a PCA, anyway. JMO.

 

[INfisherman]

I believe he's to smug to cop a plea, even on the advice of his defense team. JMO.

Not disputing your thoughts at all & I tend to lean more your way. But it’s months away from the trial with motions still needing a ruling. He might wise up at some point, should things not turn out as he hopes.

MOO

 

[minazoe]

Nope! No guns nor military knives in my household. We have a gun-free household. I insisted on it and my husband willingly gave his up for me. Only knives for cooking, steak knives. Doubtful that my husband even has a black ski mask like that. Only the animal fur, and dust. That we have in large quantities.

yeah the kinds of knives made for killing human beings...ones that have a guarded handles to prevent injuring yourself when you are stabbing people to death, specialty knives for gutting and stopping the heart...yeah everybody has these?
I don't know one person who has one of these. not one..no a cops or vets...no one. Knife collectors or idiots? maybe but seriously not most people. mOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Nope! No guns nor military knives in my household. We have a gun-free household. I insisted on it and my husband willingly gave his up for me. Only knives for cooking, steak knives. Doubtful that my husband even has a black ski mask like that. Only the animal fur, and dust. That we have in large quantities.

Personally, I hate guns and will never own one. However, my in-laws and many loved ones not living in a city never hike without one for personal protection against human or animal predators. That's not to say city dwellers don't have guns, but out in the woods or hiking trails by yourself, guns are not uncommon. So that's not really a red flag for me. I'd bet half the population of Idaho has guns, if not more. Same for the Poconos.

MOO.

 

[Boxer]

All MOO

Does it matter? In my opinion his car had nothing to do with the crime hence why there isn't a spec of evidence in it.

Just my opinion.

Yes, the car is important due the timing of BKs departure from his apartment and the location of his phone when it went dark at 2:47am in south east Pullman with footage of the model year and color of his Elantra. That we know of: Indian Hills, the circling, the Queen Rd footage and the ping near Blaine down 95.

 

[sassyblue]

Personally, I hate guns and will never own one. However, my in-laws and many loved ones not living in a city never hike without one for personal protection against human or animal predators. That's not to say city dwellers don't have guns, but out in the woods or hiking trails by yourself, guns are not uncommon. So that's not really a red flag for me. I'd bet half the population of Idaho has guns, if not more. Same for the Poconos.

MOO.

I will raise my hand on this statement. I'm female and have 2 different style handguns. DH has 4 along with various long guns. He hunted once upon a time.

I have shot rattlesnakes head on coming at me on various hiking excursions and even on my own property...in CA, CO and now ID. No Ka-bar knives in this house tho....or black face coverings or tyvek suits.

 

[fcavanaugh]

Gloves and a black Ninja mask? Who doesn't own gloves? And a black Ninja mask - nothing in the description of the stuff LE took from the Kohberger home says it was a Ninja mask. There's nothing the least bit chilling about non-evidence found inside the home of innocent people who had nothing to do with those murders. And absolutely nothing was found that was linked to the crime. However, the fact that they took the gun does give me pause. It makes me wonder if there is evidence that a gun was used inside 1122? I recall that being an early rumor. JMO.

The LE were there executing a search warrant at the murder suspect’s PA home to which he took a carful of his belongings from his Pullman, WA apartment when he got outta dodge for holiday break (and other reasons, to remove himself and his car as far away from the crime as possible/hideout imo).

It is clear if you read the whole article that they searched and confiscated a bunch of items of Bryan Kohberger’s. Logic says they weren’t there looking for or confiscating his Mother’s cooking kitchen knives, or random Covid masks, or random dark or black clothing strewn around the home that were clearly someone else’s-Mother, Sister etc. They likely asked where Brian’s room/quarters in the house were and collected most of the items from his room/living quarters.

And no, we don’t know that everything they collected from the home during the execution of that warrant aren’t tied to the crime as we don’t know the results of some of what was collected are, like the multiple laptops and other devices etc. that were confiscated, that still remains to be seen/revealed.

IMHOO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

I think most people have that stuff. They are hardly "chilling items." JMO.

We have a lot of that stuff.
DH owns a S&W 9mm, which is in our locked Jeep, and I own the S&W EZ 9mm which is sitting in the drawer of my coffee table, right near where I'm sitting. 9 rounds (a round is the bullet plus the shell casing) 1 in the chamber ready to fire and 8 in the mag, and my second mag with 8 rounds. We're due to renew our concealed carry licenses this July. I can't speak for others but we are responsible gun owners.

Plus we own about 8 rifles, shotguns, black powder, crossbow, a hunting knife, a couple knives in the tackle box. Some of the long guns DH inherited, his dad was one of 14 and the city dwellers don't hunt and so passed on their equipment to us.
We heat with wood here on the farm with an outside boiler and in MN it gets darn cold out; he fills the stove at least twice a day when it's in the negatives, so he has a few masks with holes for the eyes and mouth. Black Covid masks in the glove compartment. Rubber gloves, you bet because I didn't want a dishwasher when we remodeled the kitchen a couple years ago, I prefer to wash by hand. All kinds of gloves we own for filling the wood stove and of course because it is COLD.

We aren't the exception in this area, believe me. Hunting and fishing are a way of life in the Land of 10,000 lakes. I'm originally a Jersey girl, and I remember grandpa and uncles going to nearby "Pennsy" to hunt deer, and I would bet many people BK knew did the same. Even knowing what he is accused of, and I believe 100% he is guilty, I don't find it suspicious at all of what was found in the Kohberger home.

MOO!

 

[snooptroop88]

For all the police in Pa. knew, if he was the prime suspect in a quadruple murder of strangers in Idaho, he could conceivably have duplicated that in a family annihilation. A mother, a father and two sisters? I don’t remember if both sisters were there, but LE could not take the chance that he’d kill his four family members in a replay of his earlier quadruple murder.

JMO

Absolutely, 100% agreed on this. I could see that as a clear possibility, quirky as he is (with the pots and pans), coupled with how terrifyingly disturbed and destructive he is.

 

[Boxer]

yeah the kinds of knives made for killing human beings...ones that have a guarded handles to prevent injuring yourself when you are stabbing people to death, specialty knives for gutting and stopping the heart...yeah everybody has these?
I don't know one person who has one of these. not one..no a cops or vets...no one. Knife collectors or idiots? maybe but seriously not most people. mOO

Agree. Found one in WW2 Vet (uncles stuff) after he passed, he had buried deep in his stuff with some other momentos. It was the Navy version Mark2 -
Away it went, in person it is obvious thqt it is a people killing weapon.

I will raise my hand on this statement. I'm female and have 2 different style handguns. DH has 4 along with various long guns. He hunted once upon a time.

I have shot rattlesnakes head on coming at me on various hiking excursions and even on my own property...in CA, CO and now ID. No Ka-bar knives in this house tho....or black face coverings or tyvek suits.

Exactly. MOO I don't think many keep a fighting knife around for defense, unless they are wearing it all the time like some 18th c. Pirate. It's to kill from ambush or during a struggle.

 

[Swansee]

I am on tenterhooks waiting for the judge's decision on Franks. I really look forward to his decision and also to reading his analysis. If it's anywhere near as detailed as the last one, it will be extremely interesting.

It is clear if you read the whole article that they searched and confiscated a bunch of items of Bryan Kohberger’s. Logic says they weren’t there looking for or confiscating his Mother’s cooking kitchen knives, or random Covid masks, or random dark or black clothing strewn around the home that were clearly someone else’s-Mother, Sister etc. They likely asked where Brian’s room/quarters in the house were and collected most of the items from his room/living quarters.

This is a very interesting point.
Perhaps someone can enlighten me because although I have watched both hearings (23 &24) several times, there is one detail I'm pretty sure I heard but can't find now when I rewatch.
As I recall, AT mentioned something along the lines that LE did not seize an iPad that was in the PA home, because it was in the common areas of the house. Is that right?
Is it then safe to assume that the knives and firearm etc that were seized were not in common areas, but in BK's bedroom in the house? Or am I jumping to conclusions/misremembering?

 

[wendy44]

SBM--where does the defense say this? Do you have a time stamp for that?
JMO

If you watch the hearing from the 23rd, you will also find out that what is in the PCA is a lie. DM described a slim and skinny man who was 5'8" or taller. The description in the PCA appears to have been changed to fit BK better, but it's not what DM said. DM also said she was drunk, uncertain of what she saw or if she saw anyone. She may not have seen anyone at all. But if she did, 5'8" is a whole lot shorter than BK.

 

[jepop]

IMO it’s very dependent on context.

I don’t have anything to do with guns. The only face masks I’ve ever had were due to Covid. My knives are in my home, used in food preparation.

Also I haven’t been driving contemporaneously near a murder scene, been described by a survivor, nor left my DNA on an obscure part of a knife sheath under the body of someone knifed to death.

Therefore IMO, these things found at Bryan’s home are indeed chilling. They magnify what appear to be his means and method.

I think it's subjective to Daily M readers.

I agree with all the arguments made on thread re why a no knock warrant was absolutely necessary in this situation, including whether or not the arresting squad knew any guns were in the PA home. Most homes have kitchen knives, but again I agree that in this case that would be of concern to the arresting squad. Jmo

However, from the return on warrant, in my opinion its unlikely the dark clothing and weapons which were found (unspecified knives but not the murder weapon, a couple of guns? ) will be relevant to state case and make it into trial evidence. As far as the weapons go, imo they were probably in PA whilst BK was in WA, although this is just a guess. There was something about a page in a book and some note IIRC and some IDs in a glove inside a box. Analysed almost to the point of expiration when first released and am still curious about those items but am digressing!

As to the Daily M reporting, to me personally it's just typical hyperbolic headline for that outlet. But I do totally recognise this is subjective to readers. Jmo