Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[joe jones]

We don’t know if RA was ever intelligent. I doubt he is.
Maybe dumb like a fox.

Being weak in prison wouldn’t make him incapable of providing a true confession.

Prison would make him feel far smaller and less powerful than he felt on the trail when he was slaughtering two innocent teens.

I don’t find his dismal writing skills to be sad.
I find it sad that there’s any doubt that he wanted to confess.

jmo

Managed to hold off on his confessions for years though, something about his life in prison may have elicited a confession after he managed to not confess in all those other years

 

[rez125]

Except she is 16 and he is burly being overdressed and he is unfriendly in nature. He is also wearing boots that could make him 2-3 inches taller. I think the overall impression of RA may be bigger than the true physical height of him.

A 16-year old female can tell height pretty easily and at 5'7 they wouldn't be calling somebody at their height or lower "tallish".

 

[SouthEnd]

This judge is making my eyebrows raise a bit. Some of the rulings just aren't right. JMO I have never heard of a judge not allowing the composite sketches being introduced into the evidence in the courtroom. I feel sure if the sketch actually looked like Richard Allen, it would have immediately been allowed in the trial. JMO

I don't know if this have been pointed out, but the D was the one who wanted OBG sketch out, and the P agreed and yes-and-ed, that they wanted both sketches out. The D ONLY wanted the YBG sketch in.

I think given the nature of the ask, JG made the most reasonable ruling. It would have been rather bizarre, IMO, if only YBG sketch was allowed.

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[MassGuy]

A 16-year old female can tell height pretty easily and at 5'7 they wouldn't be calling somebody at their height or lower "tallish".

They’re going from memory, and it’s probable multiple days had passed. In that group of 3, two of them had him in blue jacket and jeans, and the other had him dressed in black.

The memory of hight can change too.

 

[joe jones]

Pl

They’re going from memory, and it’s probable multiple days had passed. In that group of 3, two of them had him in blue jacket and jeans, and the other had him dressed in black.

The memory of hight can change too.

Pity the state doesn't tell the jury eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable then

 

[flashy09]

A 16-year old female can tell height pretty easily and at 5'7 they wouldn't be calling somebody at their height or lower "tallish".

I just think that a brief impression of an older man in boots and multiple layers that is minutes away from apprehending his victims can come across as taller than he might be.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Trial is only about RA guilty or NG, who else was out on the trails who could be the perpetrator isn't an issue for this trial,
I do wonder myself how many people were out there we don't know about, LE may have a good idea about the ones that came forward, but that may not be everyone,
the only ones we know about are the ones LE tell us about, or they reveal they were there,

Someone should have told the defense that the trial was only about RA’s guilt or innocence, before they flat-out accused several other people who were not RA.

jmo

 

[misantha]

What does age/size got to do with LE doing an interview with the alleged fourth witness?

I still don't get it.

Based on the name of the fourth juvenile in the posted document link it appears the fourth individual is a sibling of one of the other girls. I was speculating it was a younger sibling so maybe they didn’t think it was necessary to interview both sisters or the parents were protecting the fourth individual due to age. Just guessing.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Managed to hold off on his confessions for years though, something about his life in prison may have elicited a confession after he managed to not confess in all those other years

Unsurprising. He was hiding in plain sight. Just going about his business, thrilled that he had gotten away with it.

Until he didn’t.

jmo

 

[rez125]

They’re going from memory, and it’s probable multiple days had passed. In that group of 3, two of them had him in blue jacket and jeans, and the other had him dressed in black.

The memory of hight can change too.

Yeah height can change we're not disputing that - if you're talking about an average of height person.

This guy is not in that category.

 

[zh0r4]

This is a bombshell in my opinion, if I’m reading this right, the girls were talking about going off the path and “down here” which would be down the hill before the “guys, down the hill” jmo

I’m confused, where did the “down the hill” audio come from? I assumed it was all contained in the 43 second video per the PCA? Did I misread?

 

[Cedars]

A 16-year old female can tell height pretty easily and at 5'7 they wouldn't be calling somebody at their height or lower "tallish".

She was not looking at him while she described him; "that man over there is x in height"

She was trying to bring back to mind a vague memory she had of someone she had briefly seen, at some point, days earlier.

As has been pointed out, people don't have photographic memories, they are notoriously unreliable in describing someone they had no particular reason to particularly notice, much less scrutinize.

I certain don't walk past everyone I encounter on a walk and mutter to myself "5'6, navy blue jacket, is that a hat he's wearing or is his hair curly?

JMO

 

[joe jones]

Someone should have told the defense that the trial was only about RA’s guilt or innocence, before they flat-out accused several other people who were not RA.

jmo

That's their choice, has no bearing with a jury, as they will be instructed burden is only on the state, and I think they are now moving forward with SODDI at the moment,

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I don’t think you are understanding what I’m saying.

Richard Allen says he saw 3 girls.

4 girls said they saw BG.

Richard Allen does not say he saw 4 girls.

4 girls do not say they saw Richard Allen.

JMO

And this exonerates RA in what way?

It certainly does not remove him from the first platform of the bridge that he put himself on.
It doesn’t clothe him in a top hat and tails instead of baggy jeans and blue jacket.

 

[New Penny]

He'd had a picture in his head, probably for years, possibly for most of his life.

He wanted to make it real.

He wanted to look at both of the girls, as he made them, at the same time. That's difficult to do if one is far away from the other.

So he drags the one who ran back to where the one who didn't lies, and arranges them to his satisfaction.

Then he has that image to keep forever.

Very much my opinion only.

Maybe he wanted them closer together so he could throw branches on them both,in one smaller area?

I’m thinking to take photos of them together. Limbs and sticks covering their wounds.

 

[Vaderman]

Man MS already has an almost 1.5 hr podcast ready to go, they must be exhausted. I’m diving in, hoping for some clarity on today. I’m certain it’s more complete than a brief six lines of text.

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Their description of the the video and the girls' fear is so sad.

Edited for grammar.

 

[joe jones]

I’m confused, where did the “down the hill” audio come from? I assumed it was all contained in the 43 second video per the PCA? Did I misread?

I'm more interested in the gun comment, as the gun comment brought the unspent cartridge back into play, I bet it was considered an anomaly of crime scene, and of little evidentiary value as they were not shot
The gun word on the video ties the cartridge to a gun to RA, according to state
So I am trawling all the updates looking for reporting of testimony about that

 

[BUF]

Discussing what was seen on the video Libby took starting at 39:40:

Their impressions were that Abby took off running to the end of the bridge.

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Four: The Video

We discuss the fourth day of Richard Allen's trial. We saw the full video that Liberty German recorded on her phone. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a...

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Thank you for the timestamp….I don’t have the patience to listen to these long podcasts.

They gave a much more detailed description of what they saw and heard on that video than from what was reported by others.

How I wish we could see/hear this!

 

[zh0r4]

He saw the girls they saw him.

But did anyone identify RA specifically as the man they saw? This is the piece I’m missing, I haven’t read anywhere anyone identified RA as BG, only that they identified BG as the man they saw?

 

[rez125]

She was not looking at him while she described him; "that man over there is x in height"

She was trying to bring back to mind a vague memory she had of someone she had briefly seen, at some point, days earlier.

As has been pointed out, people don't have photographic memories, they are notoriously unreliable in describing someone they had no particular reason to particularly notice, much less scrutinize.

I certain don't walk past everyone I encounter on a walk and mutter to myself "5'6, navy blue jacket, is that a hat he's wearing or is his hair curly?

JMO

I wouldn't either.

Don't think you'd be scrutinizing somebody who looked quite average, is my point.