Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[Cedars]

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Pity the state doesn't tell the jury eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable then

The Prosecution did not ask these witnesses whether the person they saw could have been Richard Allen. I very much doubt anyone has told the jury RA's height.

Plus, defense cross-examined all of these witnesses; and will have the opportunity to bring in expert witnesses to make the point, during the defense portion if the trial.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

That's their choice, has no bearing with a jury, as they will be instructed burden is only on the state, and I think they are now moving forward with SODDI at the moment,

If defense is moving forward with SODDI, how does that work with your statement: “Trial is only about RA guilty or NG, who else was out on the trails who could be the perpetrator isn't an issue for this trial.”

 

[detectivewannab]

Does BG seem boyish to anyone in the small looped clip we have seen? I never thought of this person as being in their 20s. But I can see how other people might.

Not at all. Type and color of jeans.

 

[joe jones]

If defense is moving forward with SODDI, how does that work with your statement: “Trial is only about RA guilty or NG, who else was out on the trails who could be the perpetrator isn't an issue for this trial.”

I didn't say they couldn't put forward defence theories they choose to which was my original point, they are by law required to do nothing, everything they do is by choice, and RA choice

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Replying to my own question because I can't find the comment someone just posted with a link to the defense motion.


I read the motion carefully and nowhere does it say that the prosecution plans to have an expert witness who will try to explain to the jury what is being said on the recording Libby made.

Instead, the defense states that they "believe" the prosecution is going to do so.

That's not proof or fact, its the usual defense team speculating, then pushing it out to the public rumor mill as fact. These kind of tactics by defense are typical disinformation, as usual. JMO

ETA: One would think that a defense team so concerned about speculation by the judge and prosecution would be careful to avoid doing the same. Throwing stones in glass houses, etc.

I totally agree!

 

[dub]

She was not looking at him while she described him; "that man over there is x in height"

She was trying to bring back to mind a vague memory she had of someone she had briefly seen, at some point, days earlier.

As has been pointed out, people don't have photographic memories, they are notoriously unreliable in describing someone they had no particular reason to particularly notice, much less scrutinize.

I certain don't walk past everyone I encounter on a walk and mutter to myself "5'6, navy blue jacket, is that a hat he's wearing or is his hair curly?

JMO

Has anyone who’s been out on a trail recently tried it? I just did, I thought through the descriptions of the people I remember best from the last time I went hiking, which was just over a week ago. It was a couple I had a very brief interaction with.

Here’s what I ended up with:

Man:
-tall, at least 6’
-mid 30s
-light brown hair with a beard
-Cincinnati Reds hat
-gray or black jacket

Woman:
-no idea on height, medium?
-early or mid 30s
-dark brown hair
-dark colored beanie
-purple jacket

Off hand, I feel like I remember all this vividly.

Step two though is, what part of that description are you absolutely sure of? Give it some thought, and be honest with yourself.

In my case, the only things I’m certain of are the Reds hat and the woman’s dark brown hair, and even with those I couldn’t tell you the style or color of the hat, or the length of the hair.

 

[zh0r4]

Can you help me by giving a clue where to find the information about the juvenile witness's?

If I understand correctly, this article from today mentions a juvenile witness who went to school with Kelsi, who I think was 16 in 2017/would have been underage:

Delphi trial witness testifies seeing 'Bridge Guy' on trail: 'I remember I waved to him'

Crime scene investigators took the stand in the case against Richard M. Allen in Delphi.

www.indystar.com

 

[ClearAhead]

Interesting observations from MS about Richard Allen during Court today. They both agree didn’t seem to be doing as well in terms of normalcy, was back to his odd way of staring and glaring. Following testimony from CSI Olehy, Baldwin was sitting next to RA and put his arm around the back of RA’s chair in what appeared to be a calming/comfort gesture.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Here’s a source regarding key evidence that was destroyed

‘Recorded over’ | Richard Allen’s attorneys claim key evidence destroyed in Delphi murders case

The attorneys for Richard Allen are claiming key evidence was destroyed in the investigation into the killings of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi in 2017.

www.21alivenews.com

"The defense attorneys claim...:"
"They claim"
"Claim"

Might just be me but I don't believe anything these defense attorneys "claim" until it is verified by a reliable source.

In any case the videos in question were not even with RA, according to the article.

 

[flashy09]

Yeah height can change we're not disputing that - if you're talking about an average of height person.

This guy is not in that category.

The most important parts of this case that we know so far is the bullet from RA's gun and the video recording from Libby's phone. Work backwards from that. Was RA there? Yes, by his own admission. You can't get better than that. Was he wearing what was recorded on Libby's phone? Yes, by his own admission. Again, a bullseye confession.

It's gravy that eye witnesses *that he admits to seeing* corroborate that they saw him and that he was in a *face mask* and in the same clothing that 2/3 say is the exact color as the video. Remember he wasn't BG to them at that time. That's pretty damning eye witness collaboration.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Based on the name of the fourth juvenile in the posted document link it appears the fourth individual is a sibling of one of the other girls. I was speculating it was a younger sibling so maybe they didn’t think it was necessary to interview both sisters or the parents were protecting the fourth individual due to age. Just guessing.

I'm not sure why a witness is not interviewed because a relative is also a witness. Maybe one noticed something important and the other didn't.

And the parents allow one child to be interviewed but not both?

I'm still not getting it. JMO.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I would just point out that adult men are regularly described as having "boyish good looks." RA was what, 32 or 33 at the time of the murders? Easily within age range of "boyish."

 

[MiniMoo]

I would just point out that adult men are regularly described as having "boyish good looks." RA was what, 32 or 33 at the time of the murders? Easily within age range of "boyish."

I think if he is 52 or 53 now...45 or 46 years old then.

JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

Trial is only about RA guilty or NG, who else was out on the trails who could be the perpetrator isn't an issue for this trial,
I do wonder myself how many people were out there we don't know about, LE may have a good idea about the ones that came forward, but that may not be everyone,
the only ones we know about are the ones LE tell us about, or they reveal they were there,

Oh... well, the Defense blamed others so perhaps they should have been working on RA guilty or Not guilty issue.

 

[zh0r4]

Except she is 16 and he is burly being overdressed and he is unfriendly in nature. He is also wearing boots that could make him 2-3 inches taller. I think the overall impression of RA may be bigger than the true physical height of him.

At 5’1, I wear platform Doc Martens and it still only adds 3-4 inches to my height. I have other Doc Martens that have a smaller/normal sized heel, like the size of men’s, and it only adds 1 inch to my height. IMO, 2-3 inches is a bit of a stretch for most men’s boots to add to their height, unless BG was cyber goth and wearing platforms, which would have been noticeable. Just my opinion.

 

[maamager]

Late to the thread so apologies if this has been mentioned to death, but the exhibit confession is really striking me. Moreso how early he sent these... March 3rd?!

"I am ready to confess for killing Abby and Libby. I hope I get the opportunity to tell the families I'm sorry."

 

[Spartygirl]

I didn't say they couldn't put forward defence theories they choose to which was my original point, they are by law required to do nothing, everything they do is by choice, and RA choice

Right-- and they tried the SODDI theory

They could not prove that theory in hearings.

so here we are, back to RA=BG=Killer

 

[crhedBngr]

Will we ever know what he was thinking ?

I have my doubts.

JMVHO.

 

[joe jones]

Right-- and they tried the SODDI theory

They could not prove that theory in hearings.

so here we are, back to RA=BG=Killer

They were specific SODDI the new ones are unspecific,

 

[Cedars]

I would just point out that adult men are regularly described as having "boyish good looks." RA was what, 32 or 33 at the time of the murders? Easily within age range of "boyish."

I think add 10 years to that. He's 51 now.

I really dislike his facial hair, but I found this recent pic, looks boyish to me because he has no deep lines or cragginess.

Jury selection continues in Delphi murders trial

In addition to some changes to the jury, new details about the case were revealed during questioning.

www.wndu.com