Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[shonyakay]

What?

What? What?

 

[AugustWest]

@Niner sorry I didn't copy you before.

Order Issued Order on Courtroom Decorum. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed: 10/18/2024​

Order Issued Order on Motion for Leave to Intervene and for Public Access to Court Records. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed: 10/22/2024​

Order Issued Order on State's Motion in Limine Regarding Defense Witness. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed:​

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[katydid23]

Anybody think he will testify? I don't think he will

I hope he does. The only way he will is if the trial is going so badly for the defense that he is forced to.

He may feel compelled to if his confessions are accepted by the jury as seen by their questions to the court. If so, he may insist upon talking so he can try and deny that he meant the confessions. IMO

 

[SouthEnd]

I saw some video footage of that road recently - it is quite narrow and nothing like what I would have imagined.

I doubt anyone driving it would miss the details of someone they drove by whatsoever unless flying by, distracted or not interested.

But if someone saw someone walking that stretch of road bloody and muddy or muddy and bloody why did they not stop to ask if that person was okay or at the very least report it to the police?

And now that I have seen that road and area it really makes me wonder.

JMO MOO JMT

I have been a woman in her late 20s. Under no circumstances, even when drunk, would I have ever stopped to ask a bloody male if they are good.

My male friends would, and have, and I literally walked and stood far far away, because I don't want anything to do with a situation that has left a grown adult male bloody and muddy.

All MOO

 

[Niner]

@Niner sorry I didn't copy you before.

Order Issued Order on Courtroom Decorum. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed: 10/18/2024​

Order Issued Order on Motion for Leave to Intervene and for Public Access to Court Records. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed: 10/22/2024​

Order Issued Order on State's Motion in Limine Regarding Defense Witness. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed:​

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On the last one - is this re Tobin? Did she denied or grant that motion? TIA! And Thanks!

 

[photographer4]

That the person they all described and testified that was bridge guy does not match Richard Allen. JMO

The video / still photo has also apparently had an impact on their description of who they saw that day:

Delphi murders trial: Runner describes 'bridge guy' seen on day of murder as jury prepares for day 5

A runner testified that she saw a man and two girls on the trail on the day the girls when missing. Day 5 of the trial continues Wednesday.

abc7.com

"Defense Attorney Jennifer Auger then asked Voorhies if the photo of "Bridge Guy" influenced her memory, which Voorhies said, "Possibly, yes."

Breann Wilber was also on the bridge that day with Voorhies. She was in the 10th grade at the time. She said she knew Libby's older sister and was friends with Libby on Snapchat.

Wilber said she also saw "bridge guy." She said he was walking with a purpose and gave off "weird vibes."

Wilber says when she saw the picture of "Bridge Guy" she said, "the first thing I thought is, that is the person I saw on the trail."

 

[shonyakay]

So she probably saw BG on one side and the other ppl on the other side of the road. Is that correct?

She was driving east and he was heading west. If he was three feet from her passenger side door then he was on the same side as the Mears' parking lot area.

 

[ClearAhead]

Impossible.

RA was on suicide watch from 1 April 2023.

3 March 2023 comes before 1 April 2023.

_Testimony of Warden John Galipeau Given at Hearing on Motion to Suppress Held July 31, 2024.pdf

drive.google.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848812492077617391

I didn’t realize RA started confessing March 3rd.

The first confession on the phone to his wife was a month later, April 3rd.

Judge unseals more than 100 documents related to Delphi Murders Trial, including Richard Allen's 'admissions'

This morning, Special Judge Fran Gull, who is overseeing the Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen, unsealed numerous documents relating to the case.

www.wrtv.com

“On April 3, 2023, Richard M Allen made a phone call to his wife Kathy Allen. In that phone call, Richard M Allen admits several times that he killed Abby and Libby. Investigators had the phone call transcribed and the transcription confirms that Richard M Allen admits that he committed the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. He admits several times within the phone call that he committed the offenses (sic) as charged. His wife, Kathy Allen, ends the phone call abruptly."

 

[MassGuy]

I think one could read a sexual motive into crime due to Libby being naked and at one point Abby was partially or fully undressed, we will never know if Abby was fully naked at some point,
But lack of evidence that either were sexually abused means state can't presume to know what the intent of the perpetrator was, and whether it was sexually motivated so opining as he did in opening that RA took the girls to sexually assault them needs evidence,
The idea that he was disturbed is opinion not fact,

Respectfully, there is not a snowball’s chance in hell the motive was not sexual, considering the fact that one girl was nude and the other had been nude.

This man did not kidnap two girls at gunpoint, and then force them to strip naked to check them for ticks.

The nudity is your evidence, and it is unequivocal.

 

[AugustWest]

On the last one - is this re Tobin? Did she denied or grant that motion? TIA! And Thanks!

I'm not sure yet, but I'll let you know when I find out.

 

[Elley Mae]

All of the media links support the idea the girls were alarmed because they all discuss that the girls were 'secretly' filming him as he was quickly approaching from behind.

Are you thinking they were not alarmed, but were just filming this stranger for some unknown reason?

What other reason would they have for filming him? Can you think of any?

Good question.

But I have to tell that a few months back i watched a 10? Year old boy at a store put his phone in camera mode and put it in his back pocket and made sure his shirt did not cover it and then walked away with family. Kids

 

[katydid23]

I saw some video footage of that road recently - it is quite narrow and nothing like what I would have imagined.

I doubt anyone driving it would miss the details of someone they drove by whatsoever unless flying by, distracted or not interested.

But if someone saw someone walking that stretch of road bloody and muddy or muddy and bloody why did they not stop to ask if that person was okay or at the very least report it to the police?

And now that I have seen that road and area it really makes me wonder.

JMO MOO JMT

As a woman driving alone, I would not stop and engage with a man who looked like he had mud and blood all him.

I would call 911 if I thought he needed help. But I wouldn't speak to him unless it was obvious he was injured, which this guy apparently was not.

 

[joe jones]

As well as the word gun missing from Libby's video, I haven't heard it mentioned as being testified too, I am wondering if pathologist took fingernail clippings from the girls at autopsy, I also didn't hear yesterday if they bagged their hands on scene, but fingernails and swabs from under nails can often be a good place to get DNA from a perpetrator

 

[susiQ]

Yes Day 4 The Murder Sheet podcast.

Also claim to hear a metallic sound between the words Guys and DTH which may be that of a gun racking.

Interesting. I wonder if any other podcasters claim to have heard that? Or MSM maybe?

 

[Seattle1]

certainly doesn't sound as if there was any wound described as coming from a serrated edge to me. So I will chuck the two bladed weapons, one with serrated edge, into the simply more lies and misstatements from the DT pile.

In fairness to all parties, from the same ME, he did testify in a deposition in February to the serrated blade. At best, I think this is likely open to a second professional opinion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849139907891257704

He said in the February deposition that he couldn’t determine if the killer was left or right handed and that a serrated knife may have been used.

Kohr then said after his deposition that a box cutter may have been used instead of a serrated knife, but did not inform the defense. News 8’s Kyla Russell said Rozzi showed upset in the courtroom after Kohr admitted his uncertainty about the weapon used and did not file a new report.

 

[tlcya]

In fairness to all parties, from the same ME, he did testify in a deposition in February to the serrated blade. At best, I think this is likely open to a second professional opinion.

I get what you are saying but in my mind may is a long way from WAS. But I certainly see how multiple weapons works better for a defense trying to sell multiple perps.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

The "bloody" man testimony is a mess.

So either this LE is so bad they didn't write down that a witness saw a BLOODY MAN in the same day and place two girls were murdered and then LOST the taped interview where she confirmed it or she did not say he was bloody and is misremembering.

It's almost certainly the latter IMO.

Eyewitness testimony is easily compromised and experts have generally agreed the first recollection immediately after the incident is the most reliable. The more time that goes by, the less reliable the memory is. Most likely this witness saw a muddy man, reported as much to LE, but as days, weeks, months, years go by and she learns details of the crime from the news she starts to think that maybe she actually saw blood as well and eventually has a false memory that was bloody. This is a common issue and has been the cause of many overturned guilty verdicts.

Regardless, it doesn't sound like we can believe the man she saw was bloody. I think she misremembered but even if she didn't then LE ruined that piece of evidence by being terrible at their jobs.

It doesn't matter much overall, it was hardly a smoking gun, but I'm concerned that so many people here seem to think her saying he was bloody on the stand 7 years somehow means he was in fact, bloody. Always, always be skeptical of eyewitness testimony especially if it's changed over time!

I’m going with the former.

 

[BUF]

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-combative-testimony-from-another-bridge-guy-witness/

He observed no blunt force trauma or defensive wounds. Kohr testified that he saw a faint linear mark—a reddish mark near the bottom of her lip. He told the court it could’ve been from duct tape or cloth but added that there was no glue/tape residue and provided no definitive answer as to what may have caused the mark.

Abby suffered a single mortal wound to the left side of her neck that hit the jugular vein. He estimated she bled out in five to ten minutes and said death was not instantaneous. He later said she would “definitely” have had the chance to react to her injuries.
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While Abby suffered the single wound, Libby had at least three injuries to the right side of her neck. It could have been as many as five, Kohr said, because it appeared the knife made a second pass at some of the wounds. She was hit in the carotid arteries, which would have accelerated her death.

She had no defensive wounds and no signs of sexual trauma or restraint, according to Kohr. He noticed some “very small abrasions” on her chest. She suffered cerebral edema (swelling to the brain) and, due to the severity of her wounds, would’ve likely died more quickly than her friend.

He couldn’t tell if the attacker was right- or left-handed in either case.

 

[photographer4]

This falls at random, as they say here.

If RA was gone long before SC saw muddy, bloody guy, why does the D care if he was muddy and bloody or just plain muddy? It wasn’t RA.

If it was RA, when, how, and why did he innocently get muddy but not bloody? Why did he never mention it?

I'm more over here wondering if she saw a muddy guy beside a "visibly stressed" girl in pink - is it possible she saw AW at the Mears lot with a man?

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 5 live blog

Wednesday is day 5 of testimonies in the Delphi Murders trial begins at the Carroll County courthouse. Follow our live blog for updates.

www.wishtv.com

"While there, she said she saw a group of people at the Mears entrance, including a girl wearing pink who appeared visibly stressed."

 

[MiniMoo]

I have been a woman in her late 20s. Under no circumstances, even when drunk, would I have ever stopped to ask a bloody male if they are good.

My male friends would, and have, and I literally walked and stood far far away, because I don't want anything to do with a situation that has left a grown adult male bloody and muddy.

All MOO

Makes me wonder how many people would have chosen to not get involved or get involved had they heard a scuffle, a scream or yell for help that day had there been any.

I get that some get scared and it is completely understandable, but a "muddy bloody" man should have been reported to the police straight away if stopping was out of the question.

That area isn't exactly thriving with people, businesses or a medical facility either from what I observed.

JMO MOO JMT