Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[photographer4]

All of the media links support the idea the girls were alarmed because they all discuss that the girls were 'secretly' filming him as he was quickly approaching from behind.

Are you thinking they were not alarmed, but were just filming this stranger for some unknown reason?

What other reason would they have for filming him? Can you think of any?

I don't have an opinion on it. I'm looking for a media link from actual media vs a podcast or youtuber that says whether the girls sounded alarmed / frightened. Ty in advance if you happen to find one and can share it here.

 

[Vern]

Wow, not sure what to make of this testimony.

She "saw a group of people at the Mears entrance, including a man covered in mud and blood and a girl wearing pink who appeared visibly stressed. She said she drove past the man, who did not acknowledge her, but says she later recognized him as “Bridge Guy.” She waited three weeks to report who she saw to police, saying she was afraid."

Who was the girl in pink?

She also says that "the Bridge Guy’s jacket was dark enough to where she wouldn’t have seen blood on it, and but his jeans were light enough to show the mud on them. The jury finished by asking how close she was to Bridge Guy when she saw him at the Mears entrance, to which she answered he was within three feet of the passenger side."

Source: Delphi Murders Trial: Day 5 live blog

Given the timing, I'm willing to wager that the "stressed" individual dressed "in pink" with the group she observed by the trail entrance across from Mears Farm was a family member of the girls or one of the others who showed up to help search for them.

The girls were already well overdue and had missed their pickup timing by the time she drove past. They were already searching.

From the PCA:

_Probable Cause Affidavit.pdf

drive.google.com

...

 

[Megnut]

It will be illuminating to see what time(s), on 2/13, RA interacted his with his cellphone.

If it occurs in natural succession from 3:57...

JMO

 

[shonyakay]

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-combative-testimony-from-another-bridge-guy-witness/

“Defense attorney Andrew Baldwin said her 2017 statement consistently said the man was “muddy” and not “bloody.” He noted that “blood” didn’t appear in a transcript of her interview.

That led to an objection from the state.

Baldwin mentioned a second follow-up interview from Carbaugh in which she said “mud” and not “blood.”

Carbaugh responded that she did mention blood, but police didn’t write it down. She also said her videotaped interview was lost due to problems with the police’s recording system. The state has said some early interviews associated with the case were lost due to an error.

Baldwin gave her a transcript of an interview and asked where it said blood.

“I do not see it in here, but I do remember talking to the officer about it,” she said.

Baldwin brought up a third interview from 2019. In that one, he said Carbaugh used blood and not mud.

“I understand you’re doing your job,” she told Baldwin. “I saw a man on the side of the road with mud and blood, and that’s that.”

Good for her. I believe her.

 

[AugustWest]

I'm not sure yet, but I'll let you know when I find out.

@Niner

Tobin denied (at present)
Motion to intervene denied

https://x.com/Wienekelo/status/1849163080174809091

 

[MiniMoo]

Given the timing, I'm willing to wager that the "stressed" individual dressed "in pink" with the group she observed by the trail entrance across from Mears Farm was a family member of the girls or one of the others who showed up to help search for them.

The girls were already well overdue and had missed their pickup timing by the time she drove past. They were already searching.

From the PCA:
View attachment 540026

_Probable Cause Affidavit.pdf

drive.google.com

...

The girl in pink is new to me as well as a group of people at the Mears Farm entrance.

What time were they seen by the witness?

CTK = Curious To Know.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder whether this all sounds more convincing to a jury than it does to me so far?

Witnesses that confirm seeing someone as BG, but with descriptions that don't to me sound like RA. Will they sound like similar people to the jury?

Wait till they hear that despite this being a brutal and bloody double murder, with suggestions of SA motivation, that there's no DNA or forensics placing RA at the crime scene, nor the same evidence types linking the girls or crime scene to RA.

That's not for you or me who have followed this crime and investigation, but for a jury hearing all this for the first time.

JMO but the jury's heads must be spinning!

I think this is a very engaged jury and they seem more than willing to ask questions. I don't think their heads are spinning at all.

I think they are listening, paying close attention and asking for clarification of things they have questions on. Perfect jury behavior.

JMO

 

[Web_Sleuth]

'I don't know' | Investigator describes unexplained gap in data from Libby's phone | Day 5 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

State's 19th witness: Dr. Roland Kohr, who performed the autopsies​

Editor's Note - The following testimony is graphic and may be upsetting to read.
12:15 p.m. - Defense attorney Brad Rozzi performed the cross examination.
Rozzi said that during deposition on Feb. 27, 2024, Kohr said the girls had been dead between 24 and 48 hours.
Kohr said that the biggest challenge they face in forensics is determining the time of death. Kohr said he didn't see crime scene photos until 2024 and couldn't determine the time of death based on the photos.
Rozzi said that Kohr couldn't say anything definitive about the type of blade used to kill her during deposition.
Rozzi quoted Kohr as having said "anything from a pocket knife to a kitchen knife."

(Continues on in the link)

 

[shonyakay]

The girl in pink is new to me as well as a group of people at the Mears Farm entrance.

What time were they seen by the witness?

CTK = Curious To Know.

3:57 p.m. because that is when Sarah's car was captured on the Hoosier Harveststore's camera.

 

[twall]

It's hard to believe we have yet another case of missing parts of an interview.
Sarah Carbaugh is the dog walker.
her June 2017 interview with police had an hour of it missing.

She continued by discussing her June 2017 interview and the portion that had been missing. She said that the part where she was asked to mark the Bridge Guy photo was a part of the missing interview block.

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 5 live blog

Wednesday is day 5 of testimonies in the Delphi Murders trial begins at the Carroll County courthouse. Follow our live blog for updates.

www.wishtv.com

I am having deja vu of the West Memphis 3 trials. Sticks not being taken as evidence until after the scene was opened, portions and complete interviews missing, conflicting eyewitness statements, making the crime fit the evidence instead of the opposite. Next is false confessions. JMO

 

[Boxer]

Good for her. I believe her.

And why does it even matter? Maybe you didnt see blood from the distance but just mud.
More DT arguing minutia to keep away from what is obvious.

 

[EllaMinnowP]

The defense has claimed RA was and is competent, able to understand the charges against him and their penalties and that he has been able to cooperate with his attorney’s in his own defense.

RA is now attending court as competent as assured by his attorneys with nothing presented as impeding him from understanding and assisting in his defense.

Who are we to question if those who have his best interest in mind, the defense, say he was and is competent?

Accordingly we have to believe the note by RA is genuine but messy.

I’m not sure that critiquing a confession done by hand is fair.

It’s the content not the style of the writing that matters since we can assume he didn’t think he would be graded on it.


all imo

There’s been plenty of discussion around here about false confessions due to improper imprisonment conditions of RA. I, alone, regardless of anyone’s opinion on the why or otherwise, have concerns about the conditions and treatment he experienced in IDOC. While his attorneys are not putting forth his competency, nor his sanity, as a defense strategy, I believe they will be speaking on a time during his lengthy imprisonment when his mental health began failing. I do have questions and concerns, and my genuine hope is that as this trial continues, they will be answered and resolved. As stated before, I understand that this reporter’s rendering is only one of the many confessions that the jury will be presented with for consideration. My sincere hope is that they are more convincing than this one. IMO

Whether an item or idea is “fair” for discussion on this case seems to be subjective to the reader. I’m looking at items directly from MSM, and commenting on what stands out to me, and what I feel comfortable discussing. For example, I scroll & roll on any post that looks like it’s guessing about & lingering on possibilities of SA. That’s just me. I already have my mind made up about what it means when someone is forced to undress, and murdered directly after. I don’t need to read ppl’s analysis of that, nor anyone’s imaginings that are worse than what is already known.

FWIW, I am able to imagine RA as the BG and the murderer. When I do that, his actions after the murders- beginning with tipping himself in- paint a picture of either a sick cat & mouse game, or a guilty conscience where he’s actively hoping LE can put the puzzle pieces together. As for proving his guilt BARD with admissable evidence, I am uncomfortable with the way things are looking so far. I do not want anyone responsible for the deaths of Abby & Libby skating on technicalities.

Jmo

 

[Cedars]

RA was not charged with sexual assault so it’s not an issue to be proven. His felony murder charge includes kidnapping.

As in all trials, the jury will be instructed that Opening Statements presented by attorneys are not to be considered as evidence.

Furthermore, motive need not be proven. Consider how impossible it would be to prove the thoughts in someone’s head motivating anyone to kill. Proving they committed the acts which they are accused of BARD is what’s required if a jury votes to convict.

JMO

I agree, however it seems to me motive plays a big role in most trials. Eg, the Dan Markel/Pike County murder trials, it was critical to introduce evidence showing child custody issues. The Vallow/Daybell trial introduced tons of evidence showing the secret love affair, although that is not a crime. In Murdaughs case, testimony about his impending exposure for fraud served no apparent purpose in proving he committed the crime of murder. Yet it is introduced because, IMO, humans (unlike maybe AI) do not think completely abstractly, they need a story to make sense of the facts.

This is not a flaw, where the ideal human should become a pure fact fanatic. It's how humans have evolved to process information and therefore survive. BrandStorytelling BrandVoice: Human Beings Are Wired For Story: Here’s Why

ETA: Adults understand perfectly why kidnappers would force girls to undress, we don't need facts to know that.

JMO

 

[MiniMoo]

'I don't know' | Investigator describes unexplained gap in data from Libby's phone | Day 5 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

State's 19th witness: Dr. Roland Kohr, who performed the autopsies​

Editor's Note - The following testimony is graphic and may be upsetting to read.
12:15 p.m. - Defense attorney Brad Rozzi performed the cross examination.
Rozzi said that during deposition on Feb. 27, 2024, Kohr said the girls had been dead between 24 and 48 hours.
Ko

hr said that the biggest challenge they face in forensics is determining the time of death. Kohr said he didn't see crime scene photos until 2024 and couldn't determine the time of death based on the photos.
Rozzi said that Kohr couldn't say anything definitive about the type of blade used to kill her during deposition.
Rozzi quoted Kohr as having said "anything from a pocket knife to a kitchen knife."

(Continues on in the link)

So, there definitely isn't a time of death?!?

The girls were found under 24 hours and yet no time of death could be confirmed or even estimated.

Im not sure what to think.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[m00c0w]

I am having deja vu of the West Memphis 3 trials. Sticks not being taken as evidence until after the scene was opened, portions and complete interviews missing, conflicting eyewitness statements, making the crime fit the evidence instead of the opposite. Next is false confessions. JMO

Ironically, the defense seems to be the one perpetuating a WM3-type witch hunt here. Literally claiming there was a murder ritual in the woods with very little proof.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

There’s been plenty of discussion around here about false confessions due to improper imprisonment conditions of RA. I, alone, regardless of anyone’s opinion on the why or otherwise, have concerns about the conditions and treatment he experienced in IDOC. While his attorneys are not putting forth his competency, nor his sanity, as a defense strategy, I believe they will be speaking on a time during his lengthy imprisonment when his mental health began failing. I do have questions and concerns, and my genuine hope is that as this trial continues, they will be answered and resolved. As stated before, I understand that this reporter’s rendering is only one of the many confessions that the jury will be presented with for consideration. My sincere hope is that they are more convincing than this one. IMO

Whether an item or idea is “fair” for discussion on this case seems to be subjective to the reader. I’m looking at items directly from MSM, and commenting on what stands out to me, and what I feel comfortable discussing. For example, I scroll & roll on any post that looks like it’s guessing about & lingering on possibilities of SA. That’s just me. I already have my mind made up about what it means when someone is forced to undress, and murdered directly after. I don’t need to read ppl’s analysis of that, nor anyone’s imaginings that are worse than what is already known.

FWIW, I am able to imagine RA as the BG and the murderer. When I do that, his actions after the murders- beginning with tipping himself in- paint a picture of either a sick cat & mouse game, or a guilty conscience where he’s actively hoping LE can put the puzzle pieces together. As for proving his guilt BARD with admissable evidence, I am uncomfortable with the way things are looking so far. I do not want anyone responsible for the deaths of Abby & Libby skating on technicalities.

Jmo

Why didn't they properly visit him or go to court and get the situation changed then?

 

[JAY CLUCK]

I am having deja vu of the West Memphis 3 trials. Sticks not being taken as evidence until after the scene was opened, portions and complete interviews missing, conflicting eyewitness statements, making the crime fit the evidence instead of the opposite. Next is false confessions. JMO

very interesting observation. Also interesting to note no Alford pleas in Indiana.

 

[Web_Sleuth]

I apologize if this has been mentioned multiple times…just thinking through. When BG pursued them down the hill, if he did start his physical attack somewhere below the bridge (possibly the holding of one at gun point to have the other remove clothing) and then was interrupted to which he made them move further and across the creek… does anyone know if the bridge was visible from the crime scene area? Just wondered if it was visible if there was a first location but moved to a place that wasn’t visible. Honestly just curious how far away they were from any potential witness or even LGs dad when he came looking.

JMO

 

[twall]

If SC saw BG at approx 4 pm walking.along 300N why didn't anyone searching
or arriving to search for the girls see him? Maybe they did but I have not seen it mentioned anywhere. JMO

 

[m00c0w]

So, there definitely isn't a time of death?!?

The girls were found under 24 hours and yet no time of death could be confirmed or even estimated.

Im not sure what to think.

JMO MOO JMT

That’s not what’s being said. There is no precise time of death. There is an estimate of 41 hours prior to the autopsy.

Kohr estimated that the girls died approximately 41 hours before the autopsy.

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 5 live blog

Wednesday is day 5 of testimonies in the Delphi Murders trial begins at the Carroll County courthouse. Follow our live blog for updates.

www.wishtv.com