Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #203

[Megnut]

Snipped for focus.

Yes - the case really is this simple.

The only question is whether RA is the man the 3 girls saw. So the only way he can be innocent is if he left just minutes earlier, and his car is departing on the harvest store camera, and he saw 3 different girls around an hour or more earlier.

But where are those three mysterious girls?

There's a very simple way of looking at the witness identifications that removes all of the noise here. The defense has focused on issues regarding clothing, height, and apparent changing accounts (lady who saw him covered in mud/blood). Ligette went out of his way to bolster this argument, tripping all over himself.

The most important witnesses are the group of 3 teens with the child. Allen got the number wrong it seems, but the timing fits perfectly, and he acknowledges this kid by mentioning something to the effect of them being babysat (pretty sure that's the characterization he used).

So three people (this group) who definitely saw the same person, had varying descriptions (two of them got his jacket/jeans right but other details wrong. They saw the photo of BG and recognized them as this same man. Even if one has an issue with the inconsistencies within the account, the odds of Allen passing another group of teens with a child when no other group came forward, seals the deal.

They saw BG, Allen saw them, BG - Allen.

^This, x2

And BB made three loops, encountering the juveniles, BG and Abby and Libby. She didn't encounter RA on her first loops, when he says he was there. She was best positioned to give census, for the amount of time she was there, and at the critical time.

The witness testimony is tight, not for the variances in human recall, but for the verified timestamps, and that all of them, RA included, only saw one man.

And no one saw him again, after BB saw him on the platform, Libby recorded him on the bridge, until he surfaced on the roadway, looking like someone who may have been in close contact with a creek, during the very time the crime was committed.

But RA says it best, "if that photo is from their phone, it's not me." He didn't say, "Hey, wait. I saw that guy."

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Don’t look in my garage, sheds, workshop or craft room etc

Having hosted large groups of youth over 20+ years for various art, craft, community service projects, parties- I’ve had 20-30 glue guns, box cutters, cheap hammers, foam board, screwdrivers etc… at times accumulate - and sometimes getting 12 of something from amazon is cheaper than 2 at the local store-

And that’s stuff I’ve purchased on purpose- Not counting the stuff that’s ended up in my house from friends relatives downsizing or passing away or whatever-

I have no idea why he had so many box cutters but there are many non nefarious reasons for oddly high numbers of odd things to accumulate in one’s possession

Moo

You don’t also back in when you park & change your whereabouts at specific times do you?

 

[katydid23]

Similar to the ME who in the past few months thought maybe a box cutter could do this.

Works both ways.

But there is a difference between a forensic expert, doing further thinking and research, saying they could add another possible weapon to the list

AND

a suspect changing their version of when they arrived and departed from the crime scene. <<<THAT is not something you have an educated 'opinion' on. It is a fact that can't just be changed for no apparent reason/

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

In regard to understanding what's going on in the courtroom:
Yemelyan's post that you quoted was from this linked article. I'd like your opinion on how you think the jury may have reacted to this comment from the article. Do you think they will understand what impeachment means and why the judge thought that was where Rozzi was going?
(snip)
"Judge Fran Gull stepped in and said to Rozzi, “If you’re going to impeach him, impeach him properly.”"

Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with testimony from Dr. Roland Kohr and Sarah Carbaugh. Allen accused of murdering Abby Williams and Libby German.

www.wishtv.com

I think a lot of it depends on her tone and how high the jurors raised their eyebrows. The jurors aren't suppose to be discussing anything amongst themselves, I think it possible a few, maybe even most, are familiar with the word but don't understand that there is an actual proceedure. They may think the judge might be testy and best not to ask no matter how curious. The court rules let her ignore the question or give them directions to not think or talk about what she said to an attorney. Her comments aren't evidence and the judge is not a witness. I suspect someone might bring it up during deliberations to tease out others' opinion of a witness' credibility. I'd welcome an actual attorney to set this right, I've only been in court in 2 states.

 

[Mirabel091]

^This, x2

And BB made three loops, encountering the juveniles, BG and Abby and Libby. She didn't encounter RA on her first loops, when he says he was there. She was best positioned to give census, for the amount of time she was there, and at the critical time.

The witness testimony is tight, not for the variances in human recall, but for the verified timestamps, and that all of them, RA included, only saw one man.

And no one saw him again, after BB saw him on the platform, Libby recorded him on the bridge, until he surfaced on the roadway, looking like someone who may have been in close contact with a creek, during the very time the crime was committed.

But RA says it best, "if that photo is from their phone, it's not me." He didn't say, "Hey, wait. I saw that guy."

JMO

Waaait. We might never get a definitive answer to this but did he say "their/the girls' phone" or "her/the girl's phone"? Because I think we only found out recently how much they shared that device.

 

[WildHuncher]

I was wondering this as well

Are they going to say "even if you think RA might be Bridge Guy, there is no evidence BG did it?"

Motta and co have been trailing the idea that there is no abduction shown on the video since the 3 hearing

BBM

If you buy that, I’d like to sell you the MHB.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

You don’t also back in when you park & change your whereabouts at specific times do you?

Welllll - definitely don’t back in to park! I’m terrible- and since sometimes I don’t know if I’m coming or going- I’ll have to plead the 5th on the second part of your question

 

[Knitty]

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