Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[cherrybier]

True.

And if it is the case that he did all of this confessing completely sane, I think it was probably fun for him to pepper in the truth amid false narrative.

MOO

IMO he was far from sane.

 

[abams]

The gag order was intended to control leaks of confidential information. How would Dr Wala or anyone be in a position to tell the difference between local rumours and leaks of factual information if RA was being fed extra details to add to his confessions? Any false rumours built into RA’s confessions? Not that I noticed.

Furthermore we are to believe a patient suffering from severe psychosis has the ability to entrench an rumour shared by a doctor with their confession in such a way to precisely correlates to the time and location which is later all proven factually correct? Unbelievable!

A gag order is irrevelant here, not sure why you keep bringing it up. There wasn't even a court case when these rumors began.

bbsm. None of this has been proven, though. Regarding the timeline.

 

[INfisherman]

Yes he did. He saw the car by the child welfare building

Are we talking about Heath?

 

[shonyakay]

I still don't understand why a defendant can't defend themselves with their theory of what happened.

Far fetched or not the jury will be the ones to decide that, that's what they're there for.

What am I missing?

Admissible evidence.

 

[INfisherman]

That man that mentioned the movie type vehicle did not testify to anything related to the CPS building. The car he saw was parked somewhere else.

RSBM

Is this Heath you’re describing?

 

[cherrybier]

"Prior to the affidavit's release, prosecutors had pleaded with a judge to keep its contents out of public view, insisting they had "good reason" to believe Allen may not have acted alone."

Stark admission by Delphi murders suspect’s wife sparked ‘domino effect’

AN admission made by the wife of accused Delphi killer Richard Allen sparked a domino effect for DNA evidence that could cement his downfall, according to a former investigator on the case. Ex-FBI …

www.the-sun.com

I thought the LE on the stand, was it yesterday, say they thought RA acted alone.

 

[Vaderman]

On Oct. 17, 2022, he searched ABC News for an article about the Delphi murders. That would have been four days after investigators initially questioned him about the case.

On May 27, 2020, he searched for a story about rebuilding the Monon High Bridge. In May 2021, he searched for shooting ranges.

Allen also searched multiple times about the Delphi case, according to the records. On Aug. 4 and Aug. 5, 2022, he did five searches for “Delphi murders update.” That’s just a couple months before he found himself at the center of the case.

Between January 2022 and April 2022, Allen did a general search for “Delphi” 11 times. Also in April 2022, he searched “should I die now?”

What Google searches from Richard Allen reveal

DELPHI, Ind. – As the prosecution rested its case against Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen, prosecutors submitted one final exhibit to the court. The state had asked the court to admit Allen’s …

fox59.com

I really wish they had his search history from day of the murders and on. What was on Richard Allen's mind Valentine's Day 2017?

 

[Vaderman]

I still don't understand why a defendant can't defend themselves with their theory of what happened.

Far fetched or not the jury will be the ones to decide that, that's what they're there for.

What am I missing?

Well, for starters, the onus is on the state to prove he did the crime. He doesn't have to say or do anything.

 

[cherrybier]

Well, for starters, the onus is on the state to prove he did the crime. He doesn't have to say or do anything.

I'm aware of that.

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

B McDonald on Court TV said she'd heard about the van from people in the town, along with LE, years ago.

How do we know RA didn't hear it around town also? JMO.

Because the white van does not exist in a vacuum.

(Note: below is paraphrased since it is based on reporting out from the trial)

Richard Allen stated that he initially ordered the girls “down the hill” to SA them in a secluded area on the south side of Monon High Bridge (MHB). The secluded area is surrounded by heavy brush but just off the private drive that runs beneath that portion of MHB.

Richard Allen stated that seeing the white van freaked him out due to concern about having been seen. He then ordered the girls to cross the creek and they ended up in or near the area where their bodies were found.

Richard Allen said he then chose to slash their necks brutally and repeatedly until they bled out. I believe he said one or both girls screamed or cried out but, IMO, the blood, gore and terror was essential to his fantasy.

Richard Allen said he then covered their bodies with sticks. No one reported that any of his confessions indicated the presence of an accomplice or an attempt to fulfill a ritual practice. Instead Richard Allen described himself as a selfish coward who was focused on SA two children.

Richard Allen explained the entire crime scene flow. He explained why he ordered the girls to cross the creek. Recall that the original Franks memorandum questioned whether a little man like Richard Allen would be able to physically cross the creek. Richard Allen explained how and why they crossed the creek.

The white van is not simply about whether a white van was in the area. Richard Allen in his confessions explains how his reactions and thought process regarding the white van shaped the crime and the crime scene.

Richard Allen knew and explained things that only the killer would know.

IMO, JMO, MOO, etc.

 

[cherrybier]

Because the white van does not exist in a vacuum.

(Note: below is paraphrased since it is based on reporting out from the trial)

Richard Allen stated that he initially ordered the girls “down the hill” to SA them in a secluded area on the south side of Monon High Bridge (MHB). The secluded area is surrounded by heavy brush but just off the private drive that runs beneath that portion of MHB.

Richard Allen stated that seeing the white van freaked him out due to concern about having been seen. He then ordered the girls to cross the creek and they ended up in or near the area where their bodies were found.

Richard Allen said he then chose to slash their necks brutally and repeatedly until they bled out. I believe he said one or both girls screamed or cried out but, IMO, the blood, gore and terror was essential to his fantasy.

Richard Allen said he then covered their bodies with sticks. No one reported that any of his confessions indicated the presence of an accomplice or an attempt to fulfill a ritual practice. Instead Richard Allen described himself as a selfish coward who was focused on SA two children.

Richard Allen explained the entire crime scene flow. He explained why he ordered the girls to cross the creek. Recall that the original Franks memorandum questioned whether a little man like Richard Allen would be able to physically cross the creek. Richard Allen explained how and why they crossed the creek.

The white van is not simply about whether a white van was in the area. Richard Allen in his confessions explains how his reactions and thought process regarding the white van shaped the crime and the crime scene.

Richard Allen knew and explained things that only the killer would know.

IMO, JMO, MOO, etc.

Obviously it's not in a vacuum.

Per BM locals were saying someone with the van who lived near where the murders happened came home around that time and could have spooked the perp.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Well he said a plethora of things in his confessions. It wasn't just the van story. IMO.

RA's confessions generally said the same things, especially to Wife, Mom and Dr. Wala the 3 women he felt closest to, "I did it, I killed Abby and Libby, I'm sorry".

Did RA throw in some other claims that were confusing or unreliable at other times, yes. I totally believe that was an effort to deflect from the genuine confessions he made and I think it came from advisement to do so.

MOO

 

[abams]

Richard Allen knew and explained things that only the killer would know.

IMO, JMO, MOO, etc.

sbm. What are these things?

 

[BexLuth0r]

Who cares if people talked about a van? Who cares if people talked about a white van? Who cares if vans are listed in the discovery?

Abby and Libby were kidnapped from the bridge at 2:14 p.m. RA says his intent was to SA. Clothing began being removed as evidence of clothing found in the creek on the "Down the Hill" side of the creek. In the process of this going on, RA says he saw a van drive by.

The time that Brian Weber would have arrived home after leaving his job would be about 2:27 p.m. to 2:30 p.m. He would have driven down that private drive right by the "Down the Hill" side of the creek.

So it's not just the fact that RA claimed a van or white van drove by but it's also the timing it would have driven by, which happens to be between 13 to 15 minutes after "BG" orders the girls' down the hill.

Guilty.

Was there ever anything specific about the white van belonging to BW and being driven on that access road anywhere prior to the trial?

I've read people thought there was a van at the cemetery but never that one was speculated to have driven down the access road at the specific time that the girls were moved.

Seems like another coincidence... the amount of coincidences RA has been a part of is incredible.

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence and, at some point, surely it all stops being circumstance and adds up...

MOO

 

[Salah11]

All the signs point to his guilt. Thankfully the majority share that opinion going by the WS polls.

Moo

 

[mrjitty]

Bob Motta attended the whole of the 3 day hearings. If the defence had dropped solid evidence for their SODDI he would have been all over it. Instead his take was it was time to focus on timeline which is what happened.

They had their chance to land the plane and they flubbed it.

They can obviously make that case to the appeal courts if we get that far, but personally I think it was always clear could only clear the bar on the cat-fisher, and quite simply the D has never shown much interest in him, for tactical reasons known only to them. My guess is because he simply looks nothing like Bridge Guy - that is why they like the guy they tried to bring back (IMO)

 

[mrjitty]

All the signs point to his guilt. Thankfully the majority share that opinion going by the WS polls.

Moo

IMO the D need evidence of 3 other girls RA saw, and some kind of evidence for him leaving by 1.30

Like where is his alibi? Phone stuff?

 

[MiniMoo]

B McDonald on Court TV said she'd heard about the van from people in the town, along with LE, years ago.

How do we know RA didn't hear it around town also? JMO.

Seems it may have been Mullin that had no idea about the white van or van.

It isn't new information at all.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Vaderman]

sbm. What are these things?

He knew the girls weren't assaulted. I think everyone assumed they were.

 

[FrostedGlass]

IMO as small as Delphi is and CVS being the only drugstore, RA likely knew BW at least by sight and by his vehicle. The property at the south end of the bridge has been owned by BW's relative for a good many years, according to tax records. Maybe BW made a habit of stopping by CVS after work.

I just don't see that white van being something only the killer would know.