Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[ClearAhead]

This is in my opinion a very important point- I think many would have assumed SA and or CSAM as part of the crime and lack of evidence of that might be something unique to the killer - just a thought- moo

In my opinion it’s impossible to remove SA from the crime given the photos shown to the jury of the bodies and testimony describing RA’s ramblings and confessions. That bell can’t be unrung from the jurors minds. JMO

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 11 | Prison psychologist says Allen made multiple confessions

Allen's former prison psychologist said she advised Allen not to talk about the case but at some point, began receiving confessions from Allen regarding the killings.

www.wrtv.com

She (Wala) shared some of the notes she took regarding Allen's confessions with her.

She wrote that Allen said:
-"I committed these murders on my own."
-"I made sure they were dead so they didn't suffer."

She also said Allen indicated that his intentions toward the girls were sexual, that he believed the girls were 18 or 19 years old, but that they could have been as young as eleven.

She wrote that Allen confessed that he:
-Was selfish, a coward, and took their [Abby and Libby's] lives to save his own
-Wanted to apologize to the victim's families
-Wanted to go back and change his actions
-Thought a problem began when he was a child
-Experimented by molesting his sister
-Became an alcoholic and had help from his wife Kathy
-Talked about belief in God and hoped others found God before they die
-Wanted to give a Bible to Abby's and Libby's families or someone he thought needed help
-Was glad he didn't kill himself so he could see his family

 

[otto]

I don’t think any physical evidence has been provided that there was an attempted and interrupted R-word.

Indiana Sex Crimes: Definitions and Penalties (below). Libby was not naked by choice.

Women4Change Indiana — Sexual Assault & Consent

www.women4changeindiana.org

https://apps.rainn.org/policy/policy-crime-definitions.cfm?state=Indiana&group=3&_ga=2.127793101.1556206952.1730662901-311942494.1730662901

 

[mrjitty]

Near is not at, and when asked, the witness couldn't state what cars if any were actually parked at the CPS building.

speaking of which where did Rick park? he seemed to be evasive on that topic …

 

[minor4th]

When RA was arrested and the PCA was released, I definitely thought RA was guilty. But as I watched the judge make bizarre rulings against the defense, then tried to remove them, and then refused to pay them after they were reinstated…and as I learned more about the conditions of his incarceration and the judge’s repeated refusal to have RA transferred to a more suitable environment - I saw what I considered to be violations of RA’s constitutional rights.

As trial started, I expected the evidence to be much stronger than it has turned out to be, especially the so-called confessions. And now law enforcement has backtracked a bit on some of their positions (e.g. they don’t seem to be as confident about where RA was parked), and discrepancies in the witness descriptions and timelines have been revealed.

So I am still on the fence about guilt, but I’m leaning more towards actual innocence than I have at any point since the arrest. The biggest factor for me was RA’s October 2022 police interview. To me, I believe he acted as an innocent man who didn’t even know how the girls were killed. I do not consider RA to be a very sophisticated man, so I do not think he was cleverly faking innocence.

IMO

 

[minor4th]

Near is not at, and when asked, the witness couldn't state what cars if any were actually parked at the CPS building.

In my original post I said Heath said he saw the movie car parked near the child welfare building, and this what you said:

That man that mentioned the movie type vehicle did not testify to anything related to the CPS building. The car he saw was parked somewhere else.

 

[sunshineray]

No indication that he ever wanted to “plead guilty” only that he allegedly confessed - and the reliability of those statements is in doubt. So it could have been an innocent man trying to confess.

I think his lawyers have done a great job, with the deck stacked against them.

Confessing, some would say, is pleading guilt.

I don't think direct evidence is the same as something being alleged? RA in his own words, directly, freely and not under interrogation, has stated multiple times, "I killed Abby and Libby". I believe him. AJMO

Saying RA was an innocent man trying to confess, that concept, after hearing the contents of RA's phone calls, IMO holds no merit. He was calm and collected when stating his guilt, his family was anything but open to hearing it. I assume his lawyers felt the same. Yet he persisted in stating his guilt. I believe him. AJMO

I won't even comment on the DT's job to date except to say I think they're a disgrace to their profession in words and deeds. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

No indication that he ever wanted to “plead guilty” only that he allegedly confessed - and the reliability of those statements is in doubt. So it could have been an innocent man trying to confess.

I think his lawyers have done a great job, with the deck stacked against them.

Confessing, some would say, is pleading guilt.

I don't think direct evidence is the same as something being alleged? RA in his own words, directly, freely and not under interrogation, has stated multiple times, "I killed Abby and Libby". I believe him. AJMO

Saying RA was an innocent man trying to confess, that concept, after hearing the contents of RA's phone calls, IMO holds no merit. He was calm and collected when stating his guilt, his family was anything but open to hearing it. I assume his lawyers felt the same. Yet he persisted in stating his guilt. I believe him. AJMO

I won't even comment on the DT's job to date except to say I think they're a disgrace to their profession in words and deeds. AJMO

 

[ClearAhead]

I hadn’t read this before. So a reporter must’ve been sitting close enough to the screen to get a glimpse of the videos. Interesting, so he was balking to his personal care needs, while the D claimed the prison was negligent in his basic care, meanwhile the guards were forced to physically cart him around. Yuck.

Defense presents its narrative around Richard Allen's mental state, murder investigation

Jurors wrapped their third week of serving in the Delphi murder trial and will return Monday morning.

www.indystar.com

But multiple media members could see the videos playing on defense attorney Bradley Rozzi's laptop and reported that Allen appeared unresponsive in most of the videos. In two of the videos, guards physically bathed Allen and cut his hair. In another, they took him to a medical examination. Allen was often naked or nearly naked. Sometimes he was wearing a spit hood, a device used by prison guards to prevent an inmate from spitting at them.

<snip>

Jurors seemed visibly unsettled by the videos. Their shoulders rose and fell as they exhaled deeply and shifted in their seats. A young woman in the jury raised her eyebrows in surprise during a 34-minute video of Allen being strapped to a chair and carried into a medical examination. An alternate juror, sitting closer to the screen in front of the seven women and five men in the jury, appeared repeatedly taken aback and blinked quickly as she watched.

 

[minor4th]

Confessing, some would say, is pleading guilt.

Well, they would be incorrect. “Pleading guilt” means entering a plea of guilty on the record with the Court.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

In my opinion it’s impossible to remove SA from the crime given the photos shown to the jury of the bodies and testimony describing RA’s ramblings and confessions. That bell can’t be unrung from the jurors minds. JMO

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 11 | Prison psychologist says Allen made multiple confessions

Allen's former prison psychologist said she advised Allen not to talk about the case but at some point, began receiving confessions from Allen regarding the killings.

www.wrtv.com

She (Wala) shared some of the notes she took regarding Allen's confessions with her.

She wrote that Allen said:
-"I committed these murders on my own."
-"I made sure they were dead so they didn't suffer."

She also said Allen indicated that his intentions toward the girls were sexual, that he believed the girls were 18 or 19 years old, but that they could have been as young as eleven.

She wrote that Allen confessed that he:
-Was selfish, a coward, and took their [Abby and Libby's] lives to save his own
-Wanted to apologize to the victim's families
-Wanted to go back and change his actions
-Thought a problem began when he was a child
-Experimented by molesting his sister
-Became an alcoholic and had help from his wife Kathy
-Talked about belief in God and hoped others found God before they die
-Wanted to give a Bible to Abby's and Libby's families or someone he thought needed help
-Was glad he didn't kill himself so he could see his family

Was this while he was on Haldol?

 

[Davemac1]

Did LE ever ask Allen what happened in the immediate hours after he left the trails?
I can't find it anywhere.

Did his wife give any sort of statement on her memories of the day and days after?
The interviews shown at trial get as far as being on the bridge and then it basically turns into a slanging match between Allen and the officers.

 

[minor4th]

Did LE ever ask Allen what happened in the immediate hours after he left the trails?
I can't find it anywhere.

Did his wife give any sort of statement on her memories of the day and days after?
The interviews shown at trial get as far as being on the bridge and then it basically turns into a slanging match between Allen and the officers.

Great questions. I have never seen these questions answered anywhere.

 

[sunshineray]

Well, they would be incorrect. “Pleading guilt” means entering a plea of guilty on the record with the Court.

Respectfully, the word can be used in different ways. The way I stated is also correct. RA was not yet at trial in court when he pleaded to and with his family that he was guilty. MO

 

[otto]

I have bolded your post for clarity as to what I'm responding to: "acting like he is guilty" is a subjective thing, not based on evidence or facts in the case. I can't convict someone who's behavior might appear a certain way to someone, especially being aware of issues that may factor into how one acts (eg: medications, neurodivergence etc). Before anyone comes for me, I'm not suggesting RA is dealing with neurodivergence - as we have had no evidence to support that to date that I'm aware of). If society is now about convicting people based on their subjective opinions of behavior... then I fear for the justice system and those affected by it. MOooo.

No one is suggesting that Richard Allen should be convicted for eating feces, drinking from the toilet, or threatening to kill.

 

[lonetraveler]

Interesting response! Why do you think that?

jmo

There is reasonable doubt due to holes in the investigation. I'm actually hoping for a mistrial in lieu of a not guilty verdict. At least in a mistrial, he can be tried again.

 

[ClearAhead]

Was this while he was on Haldol?

I don’t know. Does Haldol force people to lie?

 

[cherrybier]

Libby and Abby were not convicted either.
They were murdered.
Yet the courtroom was able to view them, 2 children, both dead, one nude.

Why did the prosecution not ask the judge to turn the TV away from the gallery?

 

[minor4th]

It was testified to that RA had the access to turn his cell lights on or off whenever he wished.

Can you provide a link? I recall testimony that his lights were on 24/7 and one witness said he might have had the ability to “dim” his lights, but not turn them off.

 

[Arkay]

My opinion….

As I read through the threads, I have to say I’m flummoxed by this still somewhat pervasive notion that RA is an innocent bystander and there exists a wide and twisted conspiracy to blame him as the culprit.

It seems to amount to LE was frustrated and zeroed in on average-Joe, neighborhood guy, married father, billiards fan, who works as a CVS clerk.

*****If there is a conspiracy, then Richard Allen is a part of it.*****

It is Richard Allen who seven years ago told a minor official that he was on the MHB, on the day and approximately the time that the girls were kidnapped, had their clothing removed and were slashed to death.

It is Richard Allen whose bullet was found at the crime scene.

It is Richard Allen who is telling all and sundry that he did it.

It is Richard Allen whom I believe closely matches the man who frightened Libby enough to lead her to tape him. This part is the only part that I don’t recall Richard Allen admitting to, but all the rest of it he has said and done.

How did Richard Allen spend the intervening five years? Living as he chose, or plotting out his story of guilt with LE, the DA, the Odinists etc?

Why are you part of this conspiracy, Richard Allen??

Or are you in fact the murderer.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

Indiana Sex Crimes: Definitions and Penalties (below). Libby was not naked by choice.

Women4Change Indiana — Sexual Assault & Consent

www.women4changeindiana.org

https://apps.rainn.org/policy/policy-crime-definitions.cfm?state=Indiana&group=3&_ga=2.127793101.1556206952.1730662901-311942494.1730662901

Hard to read that a naked teen girl left dead is questioned whether it's evidence of an attempted sex crime. I need a break.

jmo