VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

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  • #461
That’s quite plausible. Lets hope it’s just KAK and RA if so. These disgusting people need to be reigned in and incarcerated - all of them.
Quite so - we might be in a totally different place today had KK not deleted data from his devices. Unfortunately I don’t believe LE can go much further without more evidence or confessions/statements.

MOO
 
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I will be in and mostly out today due to some Veteran's activities that I'm participating in. I am hopeful for a verdict while I am away and occupied!

I have full confidence and faith in this jury and their ability to sift through the chaff to get at the wheat.

Bridge Guy: Richard Allen places himself at the scene at the proper time and also states that he was eerily overdressed much as bridge guy. BG is seen and witnessed by others on the trail who have time and date stamped evidentiary photos and fitbits to prove that timeline.

Richard Allen: States during interviews that he has never been at the crime scene location and has never lent his gun to anyone. Richard Allen states that if the photo of BG was taken with one of the girls' phones, then it's not him. Richard Allen also changes his timeline in a show of guilty nowledge. Richard Allen's Sig Sauer P226 is shown to have cycled the cartridge that is found at the crime scene. Due to his experience in the National Guard, Richard Allen is more than capable of moving a 200lb person the distance testified to at trial. A car the same as Richard Allen's 2015 Ford Focus SE, the only one in the entire county, is seen on camera driving towards the parking area at the old CPS building that is consistent with his original statement to DD. That arrival timing is also consistent with his passing by of the group of juvenile females. He places himself on platform one of the bridge and looks up to see BB who also sees him and her timing of this sighting is backed up by the data from her fitbit. No other men were observed by any of the females on the trails at the time of the abduction and murders.

Firearms Forensics: Richard Allen's weapon is shown to have cycled the round. The Defense 'expert' views mere photographs and never the evidence itself. The exert claims that the issue is comparing a fired casing to an unfired, but cycled round. The issue with that experts 'opinion' is that the comparison identification is not based upon the striations that occur with a firing of the cartridge. Rather, it is the very "ejector markings" that are compared bewteen the two. Ejector markings do not change with 'firing'. They are caused only by the ejection - either of the fired cartridge or an unspent round. A firing action of the weapon itself does not change or alter the markings caused by the ejector mechanism.

LE: LE at the crime scene carried 9mm. 9mm are not the same as Sig Sauer P226 .40 cal rounds that Richard Allen posesses and which was seized during the search warrant executed at his home. Nothingburger.

Confessions: Written confessions and recorded confessions. To his wife, his mother, the warden, Dr. Wala, his inmate companions, to guards; who else? Some pre-dating his alleged period of "psychosis" and some post-dating that period.

The Cellphone: The cellphone that Libby used to capture her kidnapper and killer. The kidnapper and killer of her best friend Abby as well. The cell phone that moved down the hill and across the creek. The cell phone that ceased all movement at 1432hrs on 13 February 2017 and was never moved again until after the girls were discovered deceased. The Defense 'expert' who answered the second from the Jurors with a "shaded statement" that was just not factual:

Q2: Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad?
A: Eldridge says they were not synced.

The headset being plugged in. The Juror's will remember that the phone and the ipad were indeed synched because they'll remember the very testimony about the officer tracking the phone numbers popping up on her ipad screen while Libby was still missing. The testimony about the photo for the funeral. That although the phone and ipad were synched, the officer couldn't get into the ipad though because it was locked.

Q3: Would water impact movement?
A: Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.

Really?? A supposed IT & cell phone Analyst expert just stated that water does not affect ports? I'm surprised that the Jurors did not LOL at this statement as my 8 year old granddaughter is familiar with the old bag-o-rice remedy as I also suspect the Jurors are. As is everyone on this site who is actually being honest. This all brought out on cross and therefore I'm certain the Jurors will weight this 'expert's' testimony with as much weight as it deserves = ZERO.


Indeed, I have every faith and confidence that this Jury will assess and weigh everything. I also have faith that this jury has common sense and will exercise it it rendering their verdict.

Occam's Razor. IMO.
 
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It’s lovely to see how supportive the town has been towards the families.
THAT is how most people in IN are - contrary to how some would like others to believe.

MOO
 
  • #466
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  • #468
I will be in and mostly out today due to some Veteran's activities that I'm participating in. I am hopeful for a verdict while I am away and occupied!

I have full confidence and faith in this jury and their ability to sift through the chaff to get at the wheat.

Bridge Guy: Richard Allen places himself at the scene at the proper time and also states that he was eerily overdressed much as bridge guy. BG is seen and witnessed by others on the trail who have time and date stamped evidentiary photos and fitbits to prove that timeline.

Richard Allen: States during interviews that he has never been at the crime scene location and has never lent his gun to anyone. Richard Allen states that if the photo of BG was taken with one of the girls' phones, then it's not him. Richard Allen also changes his timeline in a show of guilty nowledge. Richard Allen's Sig Sauer P226 is shown to have cycled the cartridge that is found at the crime scene. Due to his experience in the National Guard, Richard Allen is more than capable of moving a 200lb person the distance testified to at trial. A car the same as Richard Allen's 2015 Ford Focus SE is seen on camera driving towards the parking area at the old CPS building that is consistent with his original statement to DD. That arrival timing is also consistent with his passing by of the group of juvenile females. He places himself on platform one of the bridge and looks up to see BB who also sees him and her timing of this sighting is backed up by the data from her fitbit.

Firearms Forensics: Richard Allen's weapon is shown to have cycled the round. The Defense 'expert' views mere photographs and never the evidence itself. The exert claims that the issue is comparing a fired casing to an unfired, but cycled round. The issue with that experts 'opinion' is that the comparison identification is not based upon the striations that occur with a firing of the cartridge. Rather, it is the very "ejector markings" that are compared bewteen the two. Ejector markings do not change with 'firing'. They are caused only by the ejection - either of the fired cartridge or an unspent round. A firing action of the weapon itself does not change or alter the markings caused by the ejector mechanism.

LE: LE at the crime scene carried 9mm. 9mm are not the same as Sig Sauer P226 .40 cal rounds that Richard Allen posesses and which was seized during the search warrant executed at his home. Nothingburger.

Confessions: Written confessions and recorded confessions. To his wife, his mother, the warden, Dr. Wala, his inmate companions, to guards; who else? Some pre-dating his alleged period of "psychosis" and some post-dating that period.

The Cellphone: The cellphone that Libby used to capture her kidnapper and killer. The kidnapper and killer of her best friend Abby as well. The cell phone that moved down the hill and across the creek. The cell phone that ceased all movement at 1432hrs on 13 February 2017 and was never moved again until after the girls were discovered deceased. The Defense 'expert' who answered the second from the Jurors with a "shaded statement" that was just not factual:

Q2: Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad?
A: Eldridge says they were not synced.

The headset being plugged in. The Juror's will remember that the phone and the ipad were indeed synched because they'll remember the very testimony about the officer tracking the phone numbers popping up on her ipad screen while Libby was still missing. The testimony about the photo for the funeral. That although the phone and ipad were synched, the officer couldn't get into the ipad though because it was locked.

Q3: Would water impact movement?
A: Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.

Really?? A supposed IT & cell phone Analyst expert just stated that water does not affect ports? I'm surprised that the Jurors did not LOL at this statement as my 8 year old granddaughter is familiar with the old bag-o-rice remedy as I also suspect the Jurors are. As is everyone on this site who is actually being honest. This all brought out on cross and therefore I'm certain the Jurors will weight this 'expert's' testimony with as much weight as it deserves = ZERO.


Indeed, I have every faith and confidence that this Jury will assess and weigh everything. I also have faith that this jury has common sense and will exercise it it rendering their verdict.

Occam's Razor. IMO.
OT ~ Happy Veterans day coming up to you and all vets here on WS and everywhere, and thank you for your service! :)
 
  • #469
Sorry, sorry everyone. I figured we could all use a little levity after a very grim several years.
I appreciated it & was contemplating something similar, just didn’t know how to pull it off. Well done, a masterful job. LOL
 
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I was getting worried that deliberations that go long indicate a not guilty verdict or a hung jury, but apparently it’s not always so. It took a California jury seven days to convict Scott Peterson of murder in the death of his wife, Laci, and their unborn son.

Some length of jury deliberations examples in this article:
 
  • #472
Quite so - we might be in a totally different place today had KK not deleted data from his devices. Unfortunately I don’t believe LE can go much further without more evidence or confessions/statements.

MOO
I do hope they (FBI/whatnot) drill down about this. It’s just evil that innocents are lured into this - and even worse obviously when the aging rapist kills the children he set out to molest and film. Speculation.

IMHO
 
  • #473
THAT is how most people in IN are - contrary to how some would like others to believe.

MOO

That wasn’t a knock on my part. I am from London, UK so i generally meant it. It’s Lovely to see a community pull together and be there for the victims of this awful tragedy.
 
  • #474
No he didn't because I believe RA went there with the purpose to do exactly what he did. I don't buy his 'poor fragile egg' theory at all. I believe he was a NARC little man who enjoyed some sick perversions. It was about control and dominance, a situation where he was ultimately in charge of life and death and that was The Day.

JMO

Agree, he went home to get a jacket and leave his phone home.

Jmo
 
  • #475
Does anyone else besides me think that we're going to hear a lot more info on Ricky from people that 'knew him' after the verdict is reached and the gag order is no longer in place??

The jurors will also be able to speak to the media if they choose. I wonder if any will?

I say yes and yes. JMO
 
  • #476
@BobSegallWTHR

Richard Allen just arrived at the Carroll Co Courthouse along with his attorneys. It appears the jury will be reviewing evidence in the courtroom this morning, and Allen and his attorneys have a right to be present for that as the jury continues deliberations in #Delphi.

9:57 AM · Nov 9, 2024
 
  • #477
Does anyone else besides me think that we're going to hear a lot more info on Ricky from people that 'knew him' after the verdict is reached and the gag order is no longer in place??

The jurors will also be able to speak to the media if they choose. I wonder if any will?

I say yes and yes. JMO
The gag order doesn't apply to people who "knew him." They could have been speaking about him all this time if they wanted to, in my opinion.

I hope we hear from the jurors too!!
 
  • #478
@BobSegallWTHR

Richard Allen just arrived at the Carroll Co Courthouse along with his attorneys. It appears the jury will be reviewing evidence in the courtroom this morning, and Allen and his attorneys have a right to be present for that as the jury continues deliberations in #Delphi.

9:57 AM · Nov 9, 2024

WHAT?! I have never heard of a defendant or defense attorneys or prosecutors or anybody else being allowed to observe jury deliberations.
 
  • #479
A side by side I created of BG and RA. Look at the creases on the right side of his jeans. They are the same imo.

BgRa.jpg
 
  • #480
@BobSegallWTHR

Richard Allen just arrived at the Carroll Co Courthouse along with his attorneys. It appears the jury will be reviewing evidence in the courtroom this morning, and Allen and his attorneys have a right to be present for that as the jury continues deliberations in #Delphi.

9:57 AM · Nov 9, 2024

If he just arrived and the jail is thirty minutes away seems this decision was made yesterday, no?
 
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