VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

[acehard]

On some sequestered trials, the jury is sent home during deliberations if it's taking long. I don't see that happening here but rules vary quite a bit. MOO

 

[shonyakay]

Justice for Abigail and Liberty <3
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Photo Credit: The Williams and German Families

In this picture, Libby is wearing the Delphi Swimming Sweatshirt that Abby was found in.

 

[Vaderman]

A couple pics I found in my phone.
I'm sorry RA is BG to me.
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He really does seem like a chameleon. He looks different in every picture that's out there. No wonder it's been hard for everyone to pin him down.

 

[TexLil]

Having never been on a jury, can someone elaborate how the deliberation process works?
Do they all have an idea to start? Then methodically go through the evidence? Or is it going through the evidence and then coming to individual conclusions afterwards?

MOO but i think each jury is unique. I've only been on one jury and it was a much simpler case. We started by electing a foreman, then we voted anonymously to see if we were all already in agreement. We weren't. So we reviewed key parts of the case and even submitted anonymous questions amongst ourselves via paper and answered those by reviewing more evidence including writing on a whiteboardand then voted again. The second vote we were all in agreement.

I feel for this jury.

 

[Salah11]

MOO but i think each jury is unique. I've only been on one jury and it was a much simpler case. We started by electing a foreman, then we voted anonymously to see if we were all already in agreement. We weren't. So we reviewed key parts of the case and even submitted anonymous questions amongst ourselves via paper and answered those by reviewing more evidence including writing on s whiteboardand then voted again. The second vote we were all in agreement.

I feel for this jury.

Yes I have sympathy for this jury as it’s no easy feat.

I believe he is guilty but I can understand if they have some doubts. But the Burden on them to get the right decision as if they don’t the families will be absolutely destroyed. It has far reaching consequences and I don’t envy their task here.

Moo

 

[Boxer]

He really does seem like a chameleon. He looks different in every picture that's out there. No wonder it's been hard for everyone to pin him down.

MOO I dont see him as looking much different. Always glowering. He is startlingly agile as demonstrated in his hostile pool room dance.

 

[Batgirl 2.0]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855259739824812238

Posted by accident

 

[303gmf]

I've never seen a sequestered jury deliberate so little hours and stopping early.

It’s Saturday, they may all need a break
That a lot of togetherness and processing

 

[Trebor5591]

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And that demonstration of aggression really only points to his capacity for crazy aggression to self and others when thwarted. And apparently it continued even as he was brought back for trial.

"even as he was brought back for trial?" what do you mean?

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Having never been on a jury, can someone elaborate how the deliberation process works?
Do they all have an idea to start? Then methodically go through the evidence? Or is it going through the evidence and then coming to individual conclusions afterwards?

I’ve only been on a few juries and nothing violent or as complex as this case- all settled within a day- we picked a foreman and reviewed charges and took an initial vote - in 2 cases it was unanimous and that was that- in the other cases the foreman said what the vote was and then we started discussing the charges and evidence and if it was BARD and then started explaining our positions, and there was a lot of good point, hadn’t thought of it like that before- type comments - we asked and answered questions and tried to be very careful that the evidence presented matched the charges and got to unanimous votes within a day of deliberation-

I can’t imagine being on this jury and being sequestered and having to sort out the evidence- moo

 

[fred&edna]

MOO but i think each jury is unique. I've only been on one jury and it was a much simpler case. We started by electing a foreman, then we voted anonymously to see if we were all already in agreement. We weren't. So we reviewed key parts of the case and even submitted anonymous questions amongst ourselves via paper and answered those by reviewing more evidence including writing on a whiteboardand then voted again. The second vote we were all in agreement.

I feel for this jury.

I've served on a few juries. All were federal (most drug-related, one was a fed whistle-blower case, but none involved murder/death) and each trial length varied from two days to a couple of weeks. The deliberation process you describe was generally the way each case was decided. I learned a great deal and came away with some IMO entertaining stories. Reasonable doubt for one person may look quite different to another.

However, nothing I experienced could prepare me for a case like this.

jmo

 

[Tricia]

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[Davemac1]

The Defense intended to use that data spuriously, as evidenced by their motions, to turn witnesses into perpetrators.

The biggest hole in the phone tower dump IMO is the absence of RA's phone. Of course some will say that's conformation he wasn't there, but or only shows that his phone wasn't.. And why would that be? Especially when he himself claimed to have been on his phone? That would have been the easiest way to exculpate him -- if it existed, if it were accurate, if it put him there magically from noon to 1:30 and sonewhere else after. It doesn't. It likely says his phone wasnt there at all, at any of the times.

Which the Defense didn't want to elicit under oath because the State would be all over that. Plenty of hood reasons murderers leave their phones behind.

And the State didn't need to make the point. IIRC the Defense did, in their opening statement, that there was no digital evidence tying him to the crime scene (also brought out on either Defense cross or Defense direct). The jury can connect that dot. His phone wasn't there. What that says or doesn't say, they can weigh.

Beyond that, there's just not much help from the tower dump.

From 1 until 4, there just weren't that many phones there and eventually they were all accounted for.

By 4, you've got park-goers that are in no way connected to anything, nearby neighbors who live there and so do their phones, and early searchers, bringing in theirs.

Fluke of flukes, in RA's favor for committing a crime in broad daylight and against two terrified little girls who had nowhere to turn, there was no one around at 2:14. Absolute echo chamber.

We can't know whether there was screaming or not. RA says there was. There well could have been. RL was gone, at the fish store iirc. The W family was away. BW was driving home from work. BB had just gotten in her car and left. Old guy with the camera maybe hadn't arrived yet, FSG might have been inside, doing his exterminator job, and the later walkers hasn't yet arrived.

If a child screams in a forest, and no one hears it, does it make a sound? Only three people were DTH. He says he heard screams so maybe he did. The girls can't tell us.

It just remains how absolutely dreadful it had to be, that for a sliver in time, at 2:14 until about 2:28 there was no one around who could stop this. Just RA unfettered. And he wasn't stopping for nobody.

Whatever happened, unless RA chooses to tell more someday, only the trees know.

Frankly, I'm okay if RA is forever haunted by what he did, in his ears, before his eyes. Indeed, does a good person kill two little girls?

No.

JMO

Forgive me. I've read over this a few times now. Regarding this tower dump. I absolutely think the prosecution needed to make the point..and highlight it in capitals..with marker pen..and flashing lights!!
So we have a suspect who has admitted to being on the trails on the day of the murders. Even at the monan bridge itself. And what's more testified to 'playing on his phone'! but no record of his phone pinging any of the towers at any point during the day was recorded??
Have I got that right??
If so, that is a HUGE part of incriminating evidence imo.

 

[arielilane]

@kithanleytv

#Delphi: today, jurors worked from 9am to 2:30 pm.

Allen and his attorneys were present from 10am to 1:45pm

The jury was looking at video evidence.

So far, they’ve deliberated for 14.5 hours over 2.5 days.



5:26 PM · Nov 9, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855376442655396230

 

[cherrybier]

It doesn't bother me the D wasn't allowed. Because Gull ruled, repeatedly, that the attorneys have failed to produce admissible evidence related to Odinism.

And in my opinion those rulings were wrong.

I'm not just referring to the Odinism either, there seemed to be many things the D were blocked on, I've never seen anything like it.

Moo.

 

[INfisherman]

Forgive me. I've read over this a few times now. Regarding this tower dump. I absolutely think the prosecution needed to make the point..and highlight it in capitals..with marker pen..and flashing lights!!
So we have a suspect who has admitted to being on the trails on the day of the murders. Even at the monan bridge itself. And what's more testified to 'playing on his phone'! but no record of his phone pinging any of the towers at any point during the day was recorded??
Have I got that right??
If so, that is a HUGE part of incriminating evidence imo.

It only proves he wasn’t there, regardless of what was said in interviews. He hasn’t testifed & is not required to do so. It would only bolster the defense even more & allow them to point the finger at someone else. It was a safer move for the state to request it not be allowed.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

dbm

 

[Salah11]

And in my opinion those rulings were wrong.

I'm not just referring to the Odinism either, there seemed to be many things the D were blocked on, I've never seen anything like it.

Moo.

The Law is quite clear so it’s not wrong at all. They failed to do their job and that’s on them and not Gull.

 

[Boxer]

And in my opinion those rulings were wrong.

I'm not just referring to the Odinism either, there seemed to be many things the D were blocked on, I've never seen anything like it.

Moo.

They had no evidence to base their claims on.

 

[TTF14]

The Law is quite clear so it’s not wrong at all. They failed to do their job and that’s on them and not Gull.

Which law specifically? Could you provide a link to the specific law/statute?