VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

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I think I agree - I just don’t know how hard it’s been for them during deliberations- moo
They are in sequestration together, and are allowed to speak about the trial when all together. So they may be discussing it over dinners and afterwards. It might be more comfortable in the hotel to all be comfortable as they talk through some issues?
 
I can't see them wanting to do that since they are sequestered and not working tomorrow. At least some of them must want to be reunited with their families.

Maybe they have been permitted a visit from family. Would the judge permit overnight visits from family members?
I think Sundays are family days. [I'm not sure about overnights though. doubt it]
 
The sticks.
Went to YT for different walk throughs to and of the crime scene.
Stcks seem obviously to be camoflage.
The forest floor is littered with random branch falls, all fairly evenly spaced.
From a level look at the CS say from across the creek on N625W or the south bank, MOO the sticks would look consistent with the environment- the eyeshot dressed up to be just more of the same falls.
 
They are in sequestration together, and are allowed to speak about the trial when all together. So they may be discussing it over dinners and afterwards. It might be more comfortable in the hotel to all be comfortable as they talk through some issues?
Very true, and are they allowed to talk between themselves in smaller groups or just when they are all together? Does anyone know?
 
They are in sequestration together, and are allowed to speak about the trial when all together. So they may be discussing it over dinners and afterwards. It might be more comfortable in the hotel to all be comfortable as they talk through some issues?
They're only allowed to deliberate in the jury room.

I'm guessing it might have something to do with the bailiffs being sworn to make sure no one interferes with the jury during deliberations, and possibly having to leave their notes etc at the courthouse.

 

2:42 P.M.: DELIBERATION ENDS FOR SATURDAY; UNCLEAR IF VERDICT REACHED​

The jury in the Delphi Murders trial have left the courthouse following the third day – or second full day – of deliberations.

News 8’s Kyla Russell says jurors were seen loading into vans and leaving the courthouse. It was unclear if they’ve reached a verdict.

Deliberation continues 9 a.m. Monday.

I think that's a very strange thing to say about being unclear if they've reached a verdict. I'm going to predict they have, but Allen had already left. We shall see.
 
One thing I didn't think of until now is that he may have used the boxcutter as another means of control, without necessarily planning for it to become the murder weapon. A blade to my BF's neck would be a compelling, terrifying deterrent. It was also a dynamic situation, as evidenced by the sudden, new variable -- the van. RA could have forced AW to undress, then redress, telling them he'd let them go if they cooperated. And now holding a blade to one neck, the scene could have shifted. Either girl moves, control collapses and he slices. Reactive. Even to him, who started this awful series of awful events, it had to be as if out of a horror movie, one victim spiraling while losing blood under pressure.

One of RA's confessions -- that only the murderer would know -- gets lost in all this.

That the girls didn't die immediately.

Only someone who was THERE (or an MD who knows the nature of the wounds and the process of death by exsanguination). RA said he didn't want them to suffer. I dont believe he was suddenly compassionate or magnanimous, but I do believe he saw firsthand that their deaths were not immediate. And he waited there. To make sure they were dead. All the way dead. Until their suffering was over.

You'd have had to be there to know that.

JMO
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Yeah, maybe it's stressful in there. IDK.
I imagine it is a lot like it’s been in here. More saying guilty than not guilty. I know they all want to get home, but as we all know, our feelings run deep. It would appear IMO, everyone is strong and standing their ground regardless of how long they have to be there. It gotta be all or nothing at all. I predict a hung jury. IMO
 
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I imagine it is a lot like it’s been in here. More saying guilty than not guilty. I know they all want to get home, but as we all know, our feelings run deep. It would appear IMO, everyone is strong and standing their ground regardless of how long they have to be there. It gotta be all or nothing at all. I predict a hung jury. IMO
Sad prediction as there MOO is not really a reasonable doubt it was RA.

Odinists with earphones, neighbors who have sticks in their garage, people driving by in cars are not SODDI.
The defense offered no alibi or anything except trying to show his confessions were part of a behavioral-psych issue.

MOO
And that demonstration of aggression really only points to his capacity for crazy aggression to self and others when thwarted. And apparently it continued even as he was brought back for trial.
 
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I think that's a very strange thing to say about being unclear if they've reached a verdict. I'm going to predict they have, but Allen had already left. We shall see.

Good theory, but it seems like it would be a lot more resource effective to return RA to the courthouse than wait until Monday, paying for two more nights of hotels for this jury.

IMO
 
Having never been on a jury, can someone elaborate how the deliberation process works?
Do they all have an idea to start? Then methodically go through the evidence? Or is it going through the evidence and then coming to individual conclusions afterwards?
 
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