VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

[Schatz]

Wow, does the judge have to wait the 2 hrs? That would be brutal for the families to know that a verdict had been reached and then waiting on the press for 2 hrs???
moo

Does she have to be present in Carroll County while the jury deliberates? Is it possible that the 2 hours is the drive time she'd need to get to Delphi?

 

[cherrybier]

IMO, the DA/prosecution will definitely re-try RA if the jury is hung. It gives them a chance to strengthen their case and probably/likely a different presiding Judge overseeing future retrial.

IMHOO

Is Gull stepping down if there's a retrial?

If not it'll likely be her again.

 

[SouthEnd]

Does she have to be present in Carroll County while the jury deliberates? Is it possible that the 2 hours is the drive time she'd need to get to Delphi?

She needs to be present, in case the jury asks to review evidence/clarifications (they'd all need to move to the courtroom, JG, jury, D+P, RA) IMO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Does she have to be present in Carroll County while the jury deliberates? Is it possible that the 2 hours is the drive time she'd need to get to Delphi?

I would have thought she had to be there if the jury had questions or needed evidence or something- but I don’t know - IANAL

 

[Tortoise]

I'm still hopeful that the judge might permit Court TV to have a camera in there for the verdict. #Eternal optimist.

 

[Inthedetails]

I was curious if it was possible, not sure what the judges intentions are and not going to even try to guess - moo

For all we know, it could be a courtesy so people don't have to wait out on the sidewalk in cold weather but can resume "normal activities" during their day. IDK.

jmo

 

[dalsglen]

I'm still hopeful that the judge might permit Court TV to have a camera in there for the verdict. #Eternal optimist.

I was pondering this too earlier. Don't wanna get my hopes up though.

 

[fcavanaugh]

Is Gull stepping down if there's a retrial?

If not it'll likely be her again.

I have no idea if JG will step down *if* RA is retried, maybe I should’ve expressed my thought better-
it’s my opinion that we *might* see a different Judge presiding based on some other re-trial cases I’ve followed.

IMHOO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I'm still hopeful that the judge might permit Court TV to have a camera in there for the verdict. #Eternal optimist.

If I was a reporter I don’t think I’d wander too far away just in case the judge didn’t wait for reporters to return! I’m hopeful there’s at least some video footage of the verdict being read - doubtful- but maybe… moo

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Did they say for sure the jury would stop at 4p?

 

[Spartygirl]

But they would still need to wait for 2 hrs until all the reporters are there, for the jury to read the verdict? Ooof

No, I didn't take it that way but who knows ..
Guess we will find out when it happens.

 

[cherrybier]

I have no idea if JG will step down, maybe I should’ve worded it better- it’s my opinion that we *might* see a different Judge presiding based on some other re-trial cases I’ve followed.

IMHOO

She was brought in specially after the last judge ditched the case.

She's not going anywhere imo.

Not unless the D get her kicked off, or she decides to step down herself imo.

 

[justtrish]

I was curious if it was possible, not sure what the judges intentions are and not going to even try to guess - moo

It sounds like the lawyers need to remain close because if there is a jury question, they need to be in court. The reporters and public will not be notified if there are qustions and they are not needed in the courtroom then. If there is a verdict then that is the 2 hour time. I think the judge just wants the lawyers and maybe family to remain close so they can get in there courtroom in the event the jury needs something.

 

[photographer4]

If I was a reporter I don’t think I’d wander too far away just in case the judge didn’t wait for reporters to return! I’m hopeful there’s at least some video footage of the verdict being read - doubtful- but maybe… moo

I don't believe JG will have cameras in her courtroom at this point given she hasn't to date (minus the one date last year when she fired the D without a hearing - see my prior posts for links to same).

 

[Ravenmoon]

Did they say for sure the jury would stop at 4p?

It's up to the jury.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

It's up to the jury.

Thanks

 

[Arkay]

It’s worth noting here that prisons are FULL of people who “couldn’t possibly” have committed crimes, many of them convicted on multiple charges, under mountains of incontrovertible evidence.

Very few of us aren’t shocked AS HELL when someone around us commits a murder.

True, indeed.

Decades ago, when my twin sister was married to her first husband, a guy she knew since we were 14, her sister-in-law gave birth to a truly beautiful baby girl.

The father, my sister’s brother-in-law, was a police officer. He died and his daughter kept his nightstick as a memento.

When I was pregnant, this daughter went with me to pick out a crib.

About five years ago, she took her father’s nightstick and beat her mother and grandmother to death.

She was the first baby born in the family, before my sister and I had kids and before I had grandchildren. She was smothered with love and attention.

Looking at her no one would think it possible, but she did do it and is in prison.

It happens. Even in a wealthy, loving family, which they were.

JME

 

[joe jones]

EBM (typo):

Character witnesses aren’t part of the trial if they do not provide factual evidence of innocence or guilt.

Imagine, for a moment, that the state got people up on the stand who knew RA and said “he just gave off creepy vibes, and I wouldn’t put it past him to commit this crime…”

You would cry foul, that it wasn’t evidence whether he did or did not commit this crime. Same goes for character witnesses for the defense—character witness testimony (and victim impact statements) makes sense AFTER a verdict, but their approval/disapproval of a person doesn’t help anyone determine whether that person committed the crime(s) in question.

It’s worth noting here that prisons are FULL of people who “couldn’t possibly” have committed crimes, many of them convicted on multiple charges, under mountains of incontrovertible evidence.

Very few of us aren’t shocked AS HELL when someone around us commits a murder.

MOO

I have seen character testimony in other trials in defence CIC, IMO I couldn't recall cases as I have watched hundreds of trials, it is always fascinating to me how different laws, rules and regulations are in different states,
It is really interesting to see how some states have very open justice such as Florida and how much evidence has been released pertaining to Madeline Soto murder, versus this case with very little revealed,
I am a hypocrite as I am in England and we have a very closed judicial system, no cameras in criminal/civil trials, unless you sit and watch a trial not a lot of information is released, very high profile cases such as Lucy Letby are now being blogged, but most cases don't release too much information, and I think this is how it should be, thus my hypocrisy as i watch US trials all the time, and am a big true crime voyeur

 

[seestr8]

Elevation and distance are not the same thing. Imagine a person stepping off the edge of a cliff. He may as a result have only traveled inches in distance, but hundreds of feet in elevation.

I understand the difference between elevation and distance. Apple health monitors both separately. They detect elevation changes as flights of steps upward and downward. A 10’ uphill elevation change would be calculated as one flight of steps climbed.

**Just noticed that I used elevation and distance interchangeably. My fault.** I meant that the bridge is 60’ above the water and 20’ above the road, yet her phone only detected 20’ of elevation change despite the girls being walked down the hill, through river, and back up the other hill.

 

[loreet]

I have struggled with BARD. What that means. Not just in this case, but in every case. When I was sitting on a jury for assault and property damage, I struggled with ‘BARD’ and what that means. Because I tend to give people way BARD in general. BUT someone — may have been Charlie Adelson’s attorney during his trial last year? — said ‘BARD is when you are going back and forth between guilty/not guilty in your mind.’ Vacillating may have been the word used. Anyway, it is the best description I have heard. I am not vacillating in this case. BARD.