GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

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[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

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[INfisherman]

It could for sure, I've just never heard of that before in trials I've followed.

Moo.

Not any jabs implied. Might be due to what other inmates could be yelling, if within earshot (references to child killer, etc.) and do not wish that to impact the jury’s opinion.

 

[KSwizzle]

I think the Karen Read trial was shoddy police work and literally a conspiracy being present.

I think this trial was just shoddy police work that probably does not meet beyond a reasonable doubt, MOO

 

[TristanP]

For some reason I think Gull has said they're only allowed to view video in the court room. IMO.

Imo it's odd.

Moo.

I think they should be allowed to watch the “enhanced” video with headphones on, like Holeman did. If he had to try so hard to hear it, it must be really unclear.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855448184987750518

 

[WildHuncher]

If it’s a hung jury, the state’s attorney has to decide to retry or not, and I think that defense could ask for bail or pretrial detention conditions- if they don’t decide for a retrial then he’s free - what I don’t know is if they can retry him later or if they have to decide that they are or they aren’t- within a window of time- that would require a lawyer to explain- IANAL

This trial has had a huge price tag for a small, rural county. I fear they won’t have the budget for another try.

 

[Willow Knight]

More from the Holeman Interview:

"In the video, Kathy Allen enters the room and hugs her husband.

“It’s going to be all right,” Allen tells his wife.

He tells her that he “can’t believe” she thinks he committed the murders.

“You know me. You know this isn’t something I could do,” Allen says. “I’m not going to sit here and convince you. I know you know I didn’t do this.”

Kathy Allen asks her husband how the bullet from his gun ended up at the crime scene, adding, “They are going to come after you and I don’t know how to answer that.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 10 live blog

Day 10 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins at 9 a.m. Tuesday. Follow our live blog for the latest developments.

www.wishtv.com

Thank you for this. The fact the jury asked to review this interview has me thinking they are being very serious about the facts. Has me feeling more towards a guilty verdict now. They want to be certain before entering a guilty plea. That interview would be powerful to me.

I can only hope.

 

[photographer4]

Thank you for this. The fact the jury asked to review this interview has me thinking they are being very serious about the facts. Has me feeling more towards a guilty verdict now. They want to be certain before entering a guilty plea. That interview would be powerful to me.

I can only hope.

That makes me think they may be going for hung jury. The people who saw the BG video have reported BG was nowhere near the kids. The interrogation by Holeman would make me acquit when coupled with how they tossed him into Westville and knowing what they did to him there. Mooo.

 

[cherrybier]

This trial has had a huge price tag for a small, rural county. I fear they won’t have the budget for another try.

What has it cost thus far?

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Maybe they have a member of clergy visit them at the hotel on Sundays.

God is everywhere at all times, so they could ask for his guidance any time. IMO

 

[getthefax]

On some sequestered trials, the jury is sent home during deliberations if it's taking long. I don't see that happening here but rules vary quite a bit. MOO

I would never want to send this jury home, or anywhere where they might be subject to the spectacle or pressures of the crazies outside waiting for a verdict.
i truly hope they remain blissfully unaware how nuts it really is as they carry out this most solemn duty on behalf of our society.

Hoping for an untainted jury, and also hoping for their safety and sanity as they negotiate the days ahead.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Good theory, but it seems like it would be a lot more resource effective to return RA to the courthouse than wait until Monday, paying for two more nights of hotels for this jury.

IMO

Maybe it was a pre-pay through 11/15? Just guessing. IMO, the jurors are stuck on a couple of key points.... again, guessing. I think it will all be over mid afternoon Monday. JMO.

Oh, and I think it will be a hung jury>>???

 

[getthefax]

I really hope at least a few jurors took copious notes of every single timeframe/timestamp/timeline testified to. I hope they are cross referencing it all. Especially Cecil's findings, Eldredge's findings, and that health app data.

JMO

I hope so too, because you’ll almost never get a tighter timeline with this many witnesses, the killer on video at the time of the abductions, the car on the HH store camera… and RA’s testimony about where he was when…

 

[KentuckyMama]

Oooo, who’s the guy with the star on his shoulder?

Exactly! He sure is pretty.

 

[steeltowngirl]

and with the same half arsed case - the same result will come

i get that the family needs someone to blame but that MUST be properly proven beyond reasonable doubt

This trial is not about the families needing to blame someone.
Only the State has the power to prosecute and convict for murder.
It’s not Families v. Richard Allen
It is Indiana v. Richard Allen

 

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[Deleted member 229974]

Exactly! He sure is pretty.

 

[steeltowngirl]

We are now in Thread #215
2/15/17 - Libby’s photo of BG was released

Feb 15, 2017

ISP wants to identify this man from Delphi trail

Indiana State Police are hoping someone can help them identify the man in this photo who was walking on the Delphi Historic Trail around the time Abigail Williams and Liberty German were there on Monday.

www.wrtv.com