GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[mrjitty]

His confessions are meaningless to me. I work in mental health and deal with psychotic patients all the time. Had one the other day that said they were a pregnant mermaid. Had another who insisted they were an agent with Homeland Security.

He was off his normal meds, housed in terrible conditions, surrounded by people constantly telling him he was a murderer, a baby killer, he deserved to die. Then he got assigned a mental health professional who had interest in the case. Conflict of interest,

Are there professional practice standards that establish that the Dr Wala's interest in the case amounts to a conflict of interest? I am not sure that logically follows from her having learned about the case. Indeed in years past, had the Dr read newspaper articles about the case, no one would have thought that was a conflict of interest?

 

[shonyakay]

His confessions are meaningless to me. I work in mental health and deal with psychotic patients all the time. Had one the other day that said they were a pregnant mermaid. Had another who insisted they were an agent with Homeland Security.

He was off his normal meds, housed in terrible conditions, surrounded by people constantly telling him he was a murderer, a baby killer, he deserved to die. Then he got assigned a mental health professional who had interest in the case. Conflict of interest,

From my understanding, RA was prescribed Prozac before he was in prison and was still administered Prozac while in prison.

They were such terrible conditions that RA told
Correction Officer Ethan Drang on April 5, 2023,
"I think coming to prison cured me of my depression and anxiety."

Wala was interested in this case, like many others. She was especially interested in what Kegan Kline's involvement may have been yet RA's confessions to her do not mention Kline being involved at all.

 

[INfisherman]

How long was RA diagnosed as having psychosis? Evidently just short of 3 weeks, as testified by the prison psychologist Dr. John Martin. Dr. Martin stated RA was smearing poop on himself on 13APR23. He testified the height of his psychosis was on 15APR23, then on 02MAY23, Dr. Martin saw no signs of psychosis. 19 days. RA gave his detailed confession in a logical & ordered manner to Dr. Wala the next day on 03MAY23. No other signs of psychosis noted after 02MAY23. Dr. Martin also testified it was possible for someone to slip in & out of psychosis in a 24 hour period.

Rozzi: ‘Your Honor, the Defense rests’ - Carroll County Comet

Just three minutes after court was called to session Wednesday, attorney Brad Rozzi stood up and told the judge and jurors, “Your Honor, the Defense rests.” It was anticipated that Richard Allen’s attorneys would finish their case-in-chief Wednesday, but the early morning announcement surprised...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

RA confessed around his 19 day psychotic stage, with most coming afterwards:

• 05MAR23 - Letter to warden wanting to confess.
• 03APR23 - "I did it. I killed Abby & Libby" to wife on phone.
• 23APR23 - Tells corrections officer Michael Roberts "I killed Abby & Libby. My wife wasn't involved. I want to confess."
• 29APR23 - Tells corrections officer Brandon Fisher he killed the girls with a box cutter & threw it in a dumpster behind CVS
• 03MAY23 - Confessed to Dr. Wala.
• 10MAY23 - "I need you to know I did this. I hope you still love me. It’s true, honey" to wife on phone.
• 17MAY23 - RA confesses to his mother & wants to know if she still loves him even after what he did.
• 05JUN23 - RA tells wife on phone "But you know that I did it." Wants people to be honest with him.
• 11JUN23 - "I did it Kathy. I did it. Do you still love me?" during a phone call with his wife.
• 20JUN23 - Told Dr. Martin he wanted to apologize to the families; no psychosis.
• 04FEB24 - Wabash Valley Corrections officer testified he overheard RA crying & talking to himself saying, "I am sorry for what I did. Sorry for killing them." which is after being transferred to better conditions.

Delphi murder suspect's alleged jail confessions revealed in court

Prison staff testified about Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s alleged confessions and behavior while behind bars.

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ETA - RA was on the bridge by his own admission, evidently psychosis free, in 2017.

 

[somequestions]

The surprising part about this case was how Richard Allen was able to tell so many lies mixed with so many coincidences. There is no denying the unspent cartridge found at the scene of the crime or the over 60 confessions.

During his first interrogation, Richard Allen said he may have been wearing a blue or black Carhartt zip up jacket. He refers to it being a zip up, yet the picture of bridge guy clearly shows the jacket being worn by bridge guy was held together with snaps (in my opinion). Maybe he did this because he knew he actually wore a jacket with snaps on February 13, 2017?

Richard Allen also stated he sat on a bench overlooking the creek near the start of the 505 trail at the Mears parking entrance and that when he left it was around 1:30 pm - 1:45pm. He said he thinks he remembers there being multiple vehicles in the Mears parking lot and that one was an SUV and the other was a sedan. While he did not go into specifics about the types of vehicles in his February 2017 tip written down by DD, he did mention multiple vehicles were parked at the Mears parking lot. The 505 bench faces and overlooks the creek, not the Mears parking lot.

What is the probability that the sedan Richard Allen saw was the one that dropped off Abigail Williams and Liberty German?

I am overanalyzing the case since it has been solved, but there are some strange coincidences. Ricci Davis was able to guess the murder weapon was a box cutter even though I do not think RL has anything to do with the murders so maybe Richard Allen got very lucky being able to guess when BB came back from her bathroom break since that information was not released to the public until after Richard Allen was arrested. Richard Allen then tells a story to police to make it appear he was leaving the Monon High Bridge trail walking out back to his car right at the same time as when BB was coming back from her bathroom break at 1:46pm to park at the Mears parking area. We know the approximate location and time of where Abigail Williams and Liberty German were later due to the 2:05 pm picture and the 2:07 picture of Abigail Williams on the Monon High Bridge. Everyone else we have to guess their location based on their story. This is important because in order for BB to see Richard Allen on platform 1, Richard Allen has to be ahead of her walking to the Monon High Bridge. Then BB has to walk to the Monon High Bridge after Richard Allen. Then a few minutes after BB, Abby and Libby have to be walking to the Monon High Bridge. If it is correct, the timeline really locks Richard Allen into being bridge guy.

It is the little coincidences of truth and lies that made this case so unique.

 

[Boxer]

The surprising part about this case was how Richard Allen was able to tell so many lies mixed with so many coincidences. There is no denying the unspent cartridge found at the scene of the crime or the over 60 confessions.

During his first interrogation, Richard Allen said he may have been wearing a blue or black Carhartt zip up jacket. He refers to it being a zip up, yet the picture of bridge guy clearly shows the jacket being worn by bridge guy was held together with snaps (in my opinion). Maybe he did this because he knew he actually wore a jacket with snaps on February 13, 2017?

Richard Allen also stated he sat on a bench overlooking the creek near the start of the 505 trail at the Mears parking entrance and that when he left it was around 1:30 pm - 1:45pm. He said he thinks he remembers there being multiple vehicles in the Mears parking lot and that one was an SUV and the other was a sedan. While he did not go into specifics about the types of vehicles in his February 2017 tip written down by DD, he did mention multiple vehicles were parked at the Mears parking lot. The 505 bench faces and overlooks the creek, not the Mears parking lot.

What is the probability that the sedan Richard Allen saw was the one that dropped off Abigail Williams and Liberty German?

I am overanalyzing the case since it has been solved, but there are some strange coincidences. Ricci Davis was able to guess the murder weapon was a box cutter even though I do not think RL has anything to do with the murders so maybe Richard Allen got very lucky being able to guess when BB came back from her bathroom break since that information was not released to the public until after Richard Allen was arrested. Richard Allen then tells a story to police to make it appear he was leaving the Monon High Bridge trail walking out back to his car right at the same time as when BB was coming back from her bathroom break at 1:46pm to park at the Mears parking area. We know the approximate location and time of where Abigail Williams and Liberty German were later due to the 2:05 pm picture and the 2:07 picture of Abigail Williams on the Monon High Bridge. Everyone else we have to guess their location based on their story. This is important because in order for BB to see Richard Allen on platform 1, Richard Allen has to be ahead of her walking to the Monon High Bridge. Then BB has to walk to the Monon High Bridge after Richard Allen. Then a few minutes after BB, Abby and Libby have to be walking to the Monon High Bridge. If it is correct, the timeline really locks Richard Allen into being bridge guy.

It is the little coincidences of truth and lies that made this case so unique.

He passed the group of girls at the Freedom Bridge trail entrance at about 1:27 or 1:28.

 

[somequestions]

He passed the group of girls at the Freedom Bridge trail entrance at about 1:27 or 1:28.

I think Richard Allen was recorded by the Hoosier Harvest Store video surveillance camera driving past the Hoosier Harvest Store at 1:27pm according to the exhibits released. Once he parks his car at the old CPS building and walks along the gravel path along the road to the start of the trail at the Freedom Bridge, it probably would have been after 1:30 pm that he passed the group of girls at the Freedom Bridge. I do not even know if he passed them. I thought he said he saw a group of girls leaving as he was about to enter the trail and described them. He assumed they were leaving.

One aspect of the case that is sort of strange is how there are all these witnesses who remember seeing Richard Allen's car parked at the old CPS building between 2 - 2:30pm, but I have not read of any witnesses who remember seeing his car parked there from 2:30 to 4pm when he would have left according to SC's sighting of him walking down 300 N back to his car. Did SC see a car backed into the side of the old CPS building?

Early on in the case it was theorized that the person who parked the car at the old CPS building backed it into the side of the building to avoid having their license plate seen. I believed this for all these years because it made sense. But then the exhibits were released, and it turns out Richard Allen backs his car into a parking area the same way when he goes to work too. Maybe backing his car into a space is the way Richard Allen likes to park his car. But it also goes to show that the person who parked at the old CPS building is someone who may like backing their car into a parking spot.

This is why it is harder to comment on cases anymore because when you do not have good information, you have to speculate. The context of the information is important.

 

[Boxer]

I think Richard Allen was recorded by the Hoosier Harvest Store video surveillance camera driving past the Hoosier Harvest Store at 1:27pm according to the exhibits released. Once he parks his car at the old CPS building and walks along the gravel path along the road to the start of the trail at the Freedom Bridge, it probably would have been after 1:30 pm that he passed the group of girls at the Freedom Bridge. I do not even know if he passed them. I thought he said he saw a group of girls leaving as he was about to enter the trail and described them. He assumed they were leaving.

One aspect of the case that is sort of strange is how there are all these witnesses who remember seeing Richard Allen's car parked at the old CPS building between 2 - 2:30pm, but I have not read of any witnesses who remember seeing his car parked there from 2:30 to 4pm when he would have left according to SC's sighting of him walking down 300 N back to his car. Did SC see a car backed into the side of the old CPS building?

Early on in the case it was theorized that the person who parked the car at the old CPS building backed it into the side of the building to avoid having their license plate seen. I believed this for all these years because it made sense. But then the exhibits were released, and it turns out Richard Allen backs his car into a parking area the same way when he goes to work too. Maybe backing his car into a space is the way Richard Allen likes to park his car. But it also goes to show that the person who parked at the old CPS building is someone who may like backing their car into a parking spot.

This is why it is harder to comment on cases anymore because when you do not have good information, you have to speculate. The context of the information is important.

Yes.
One thing. When RA passes the group of girls on the trail is established because the girls took a picture of the last bench before continuing to head for the trail exit to the cement circle forming the east end landing of FB.
They passed him on the trail midway between that bench and where the trail exits onto the landing area.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

This should be interesting.

 

[shonyakay]

During his first interrogation, Richard Allen said he may have been wearing a blue or black Carhartt zip up jacket. He refers to it being a zip up, yet the picture of bridge guy clearly shows the jacket being worn by bridge guy was held together with snaps (in my opinion). Maybe he did this because he knew he actually wore a jacket with snaps on February 13, 2017?

Richard Allen also stated he sat on a bench overlooking the creek near the start of the 505 trail at the Mears parking entrance and that when he left it was around 1:30 pm - 1:45pm. He said he thinks he remembers there being multiple vehicles in the Mears parking lot and that one was an SUV and the other was a sedan. While he did not go into specifics about the types of vehicles in his February 2017 tip written down by DD, he did mention multiple vehicles were parked at the Mears parking lot. The 505 bench faces and overlooks the creek, not the Mears parking lot.

What is the probability that the sedan Richard Allen saw was the one that dropped off Abigail Williams and Liberty German?

I am overanalyzing the case since it has been solved, but there are some strange coincidences. Ricci Davis was able to guess the murder weapon was a box cutter even though I do not think RL has anything to do with the murders so maybe Richard Allen got very lucky being able to guess when BB came back from her bathroom break since that information was not released to the public until after Richard Allen was arrested. Richard Allen then tells a story to police to make it appear he was leaving the Monon High Bridge trail walking out back to his car right at the same time as when BB was coming back from her bathroom break at 1:46pm to park at the Mears parking area. We know the approximate location and time of where Abigail Williams and Liberty German were later due to the 2:05 pm picture and the 2:07 picture of Abigail Williams on the Monon High Bridge. Everyone else we have to guess their location based on their story. This is important because in order for BB to see Richard Allen on platform 1, Richard Allen has to be ahead of her walking to the Monon High Bridge. Then BB has to walk to the Monon High Bridge after Richard Allen. Then a few minutes after BB, Abby and Libby have to be walking to the Monon High Bridge. If it is correct, the timeline really locks Richard Allen into being bridge guy.

It is the little coincidences of truth and lies that made this case so unique.

I personally can't tell whether that jacket has buttons or a zipper but it's important to keep in mind that there are multiple different carthartt jacket makes. There are some that zip up and the buttons then go over the zipper.

RA also stated he had off brand jackets too.

I only heard RA state there were two cars, an SUV and a Sedan. Does he state "multiple" vehicles somewhere?

You said he stated he left at 1:30 - 1:45 p.m.
Yet he told Mullin and Liggett that he was there an hour or so.
His car is going West past Hoosier Harvest Store at 1:27 p.m.
If he was leaving at that time, where would he have parked his car to be driving West at 1:27 p.m. past HHS? He was adamant that he didn't park at the Mears' entrance and no one witnessed his car there either.

RA says he entered through the Freedom Bridge trailhead which is West of HHS. So if he was leaving at 1:27 p.m. then he must have parked way out of the way East of HHS and then walked all the way past the Mears' entrance and HHS to
enter the trails at the Freedom Bridge trailhead.
He is not seen walking West by HHS so he would have had to walk behind HHS on this long walk to enter the trails then do the same (except going East) to get back to his car after leaving the trails to be captured at 1:27 p.m. driving West past HHS. Not plausible.

RA says he left his mom's at 11:00 a.m. to 11:15 a.m. Btw, we are just taking his word for this as his mother did not testify and we don't have access to his phone records. Jennifer Auger has his phone records for that day. The defense didn't use them at trial but I digress.

If RA left his mom's in Mexico, Indiana at 11:00 a.m. (It's a 38 minute drive per Google) he would have arrived home at around 11:45 a.m. to 11:55 p.m. considering traffic and traffic lights. Then he says he returned home and got a jacket before he went to the trails.
If he left his mom's at 11:15 a.m. then you have to add 15 minutes more to the earlier times, which would have him arriving home at around 12:00 p.m. to 12:15 p.m.
This means RA would be arriving at the trails possibly around 11:55 a.m. at the earliest and possibly around 12:25 p.m. at the latest.

RA says he was there an hour or so.
So the time he was at the trails would possibly be until around 12:55 p.m. at the earliest and until around 2:25 p.m. at the latest.

BB is seen traveling East past the HHS at 12:02 p.m.

BB said she would park at Mears' entrance and walk to the High Bridge then back to the intersection then go down the Mary Gerard Nature Preserve trail then she would head to the Freedom Bridge. At the Freedom Bridge she would turn around and head back to the intersection where she would start another loop going to the High Bridge first.

Bre W. took a picture of the Freedom Bridge at 12:25 p.m. when she arrived on foot with her friend RV and RV's two little sisters'.

Bre W. takes a picture of High Bridge at 12:46 p.m.

BB is seen traveling West past HHS at 1:15 p.m.
after walking her regular route twice.

At 1:26 p.m. two of the four girls' take a picture on a bench East of the Freedom Bridge. The four girls' then head West toward Freedom Bridge.
This is when they encounter "Bridge Guy".
He is overdressed for the weather and he doesn't interact with them when RV says, "Hi", to him.

RA said he saw three girls' he assumed were leaving the trails as he was entering the trails via the Freedom Bridge trailhead.
RA said he noticed them because they stood out but he did not interact with them. (Corroboration)
RA described one girl as tall with long brown hair.
He said the older girl appeared to be watching or in charge of the younger two girls' and they looked similar to him like sisters but the other one didn't.
It's important to note that RV is tall for a girl, 5'7, and she has long brown hair. One of the two little sisters' was a half sister of hers and the other sister was from the same mother and father.
(Corroboration)

RA says he walked from the Freedom Bridge to the High Bridge as he watched a stock ticker on his phone as he walked. We know RA flat out lied about having his phone. The question is Why?

Shortly before 1:46 p.m. BB sees four girls' walking across the bridge that goes over Old State Road 25.

BB is seen traveling East past HHS at 1:46 pm.
BB parks at the Mears' entrance. She sees no other cars parked there. BB walks straight toward the trail intersection then turns left on the High Bridge trail and heads toward High Bridge.

Around 1:47 to 1:48 p.m. KG arrives at the Mears' entrance with Abby and Libby. KG recalls seeing an SUV parked there.

1:48 p.m. Libby unplugs her phone from KG's car.

KG is seen driving West past HHS at 1:49 p.m.

It is not a given RA saw KG drop off Abby and Libby, just a possibility. It's also a possibility that RA saw BB arrive, exit her vehicle, and simultaneously noticed KG's sedan pull up and park. If RA headed straight to the High Bridge at that time he might not have seen Abby or Libby exit KG's sedan.

It is a fact that both BB's SUV and KG's Sedan were parked at the Mears' entrance together at least for a couple of minutes sometime around 1:46 - 1:49 p.m. (Corroboration)

BB would have arrived at the High Bridge around 1:50 ish p.m. when she saw BG on Platform One. Which just so happens to be the exact same Platform RA says he stood on when he got to High Bridge.

RA is definitely locked in as "Bridge Guy" by his own words and there is no possible way that RA didn't encounter Abby and Libby after BB passed them as she headed back to the trail intersection.

The first picture Libby posted of the bridge was timed at 2:05 p.m. This picture was taken shortly past the second platform. The second picture Libby posted was timed at 2:07 p.m. with Abby walking across the bridge between the second and third platform.

 

[shonyakay]

I think Richard Allen was recorded by the Hoosier Harvest Store video surveillance camera driving past the Hoosier Harvest Store at 1:27pm according to the exhibits released. Once he parks his car at the old CPS building and walks along the gravel path along the road to the start of the trail at the Freedom Bridge, it probably would have been after 1:30 pm that he passed the group of girls at the Freedom Bridge. I do not even know if he passed them. I thought he said he saw a group of girls leaving as he was about to enter the trail and described them. He assumed they were leaving.

One aspect of the case that is sort of strange is how there are all these witnesses who remember seeing Richard Allen's car parked at the old CPS building between 2 - 2:30pm, but I have not read of any witnesses who remember seeing his car parked there from 2:30 to 4pm when he would have left according to SC's sighting of him walking down 300 N back to his car. Did SC see a car backed into the side of the old CPS building?

Early on in the case it was theorized that the person who parked the car at the old CPS building backed it into the side of the building to avoid having their license plate seen. I believed this for all these years because it made sense. But then the exhibits were released, and it turns out Richard Allen backs his car into a parking area the same way when he goes to work too. Maybe backing his car into a space is the way Richard Allen likes to park his car. But it also goes to show that the person who parked at the old CPS building is someone who may like backing their car into a parking spot.

This is why it is harder to comment on cases anymore because when you do not have good information, you have to speculate. The context of the information is important.

If you were driving Westbound past the old CPS building you'd be in a much better position to notice a vehicle parked there then you would if you were driving Eastbound past there.

Around 2:10 p.m.
A man on his way to Delphi on State Road 25 observes a purple PT cruiser or a small suv type vehicle parked on the South side of the old CPS building. It was backed in as though to conceal it's license plate. - PCA

RA's car was backed in at his work in 2002, after the crime.
Did he always back his car in when out in public before the crime or only after? He didn't back his car in at home. At least not according to the exhibit of his car parked into his garage.

At 2:14 p.m. per PCA or 2:18 p.m. per HHS camera
BB'a car is seen leaving westbound past HHS.
As she passes by the old CPS building she sees a car parked in an odd manner. It is in the same general spot and backed in like the man observed around 2:10 p.m. - PCA

Around 2:28 p.m.
A man sees a small dark colored car parked at the old CPS building. He describes it as possibly a smart car. - PCA

I'm not aware of any sightings of a car parked there past 2:28 p.m. but that doesn't mean it wasn't there it simply could be because the direction people were entering 300 N that day (which is not a busy road) made it less likely to be noticed.

SC's car is driving "Eastbound" past HHS at 3:57 p.m.

Liggett and Mullin aked RA if there were any cars parked where he had parked when he got back to his car after leaving the trails, RA stated No, "because I would have thought through that." What?

 

[snooptroop88]

Seeing this, ABC:
Blair said she saw one vehicle near the trail; it was backed into the area near the old Child Protective Services building. She said it stuck out to her because it was "not parked how other people park."

I have to admit, I never really thought much about how RA evidently had the only vehicle in that lot, but it appears it's the case. I even had to plow through a bit here just to confirm it was the case, and it does appear to be. Here's what drew my attention to this/transcription isn't perfect and omits some less meaningful discussion This is from RA's early interview with LE:

16:50/investigator: Where did you park your car?
17:00 approx/RA: ...The big parking lot wasn't there at the time, right? ... Like where the bridge is at, I don't think that was there. So there's uh, if you went over behind uh, there's a backroad that went up, and it, there was a bridge-- not the main bridge, but a small bridge, where you could park there, or you could park over on the other side, and I remember I didn't park over there where the Farmer's entrance or something, I remember I didn't park there because I had told him something about there were a couple of vehicles there when I left....so I parked somewhere, I either parked over on the bridge side or there used to be a little building there, I could have parked there. There was a trail until they got the whole thing done...
18:50/still discussing the parking/RA: Now there's a nice parking space, but before you'd park there, or you'd parked over at the Farmer's thing, and I mean at one point, they had it marked they didn't want you to park there, and I know it wasn't over there because I told him about some cars that were parked over there, so I would have been parked there on the bridge side of things I guess is what I'm saying.
19:40/ongoing discussion of where they parked, all looking at diagrams
25:45/RA: I remember telling him when I left I remember there being, I think there were two vehicles down there on that Farmer's entrance that we talked about and that's why I know I didn't park there because obviously I would've recalled seeing cars there if I parked there.
29:50/RA: Like I said, there were a couple of vehicles I may have told him the exact makes, I'm not sure. I just remember one was like a sedan, I think maybe one was an SUV, I'm not sure. I'd have to look back at what I said...
30:12/LE And those cars were at the Farmer's entrance?
30:17/RA Yes.
30:18/LE What about where you parked? Were there any other vehicles?
30:23 I know there were no vehicles where I was parked because I don't remember telling him, even if he asked, I didn't see anything. A lot of people would have parked at that Farmer's entrance, -- I'm thinking that was was probably when they didn't really want people parking there and that's probably why I didn't park there. But it's much closer to the trails...(omitted material) But like I said, they didn't want you parking there, so I didn't.
41:48/LE: And then when you got back to your car, were there any other cars when you got back to your car?
42:00/RA: I don't think so. Well, no, because I would have thought through that now. ...remind me...
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What I get from this is that RA was basically telling them, "yeah, I made sure there were no vehicles where I was parked, and I really am offering no explanation for why." And RA catches the mistake, he keeps trying to explain it away later with oh yeah, you can't park in the other spot. But he's clearly already made it sound like he avoided parking there pretty much because there were other vehicles there. That's certainly how it sounds to me. I think the parking is a huge part of why that interview "went south" as quickly as it did with RA.

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[FromGermany1]

Seeing this, ABC:
Blair said she saw one vehicle near the trail; it was backed into the area near the old Child Protective Services building. She said it stuck out to her because it was "not parked how other people park."

I have to admit, I never really thought much about how RA evidently had the only vehicle in that lot, but it appears it's the case. I even had to plow through a bit here just to confirm it was the case, and it does appear to be. Here's what drew my attention to this/transcription isn't perfect and omits some less meaningful discussion This is from RA's early interview with LE:

16:50/investigator: Where did you park your car?
17:00 approx/RA: ...The big parking lot wasn't there at the time, right? ... Like where the bridge is at, I don't think that was there. So there's uh, if you went over behind uh, there's a backroad that went up, and it, there was a bridge-- not the main bridge, but a small bridge, where you could park there, or you could park over on the other side, and I remember I didn't park over there where the Farmer's entrance or something, I remember I didn't park there because I had told him something about there were a couple of vehicles there when I left....so I parked somewhere, I either parked over on the bridge side or there used to be a little building there, I could have parked there. There was a trail until they got the whole thing done...
18:50/still discussing the parking/RA: Now there's a nice parking space, but before you'd park there, or you'd parked over at the Farmer's thing, and I mean at one point, they had it marked they didn't want you to park there, and I know it wasn't over there because I told him about some cars that were parked over there, so I would have been parked there on the bridge side of things I guess is what I'm saying.
19:40/ongoing discussion of where they parked, all looking at diagrams
25:45/RA: I remember telling him when I left I remember there being, I think there were two vehicles down there on that Farmer's entrance that we talked about and that's why I know I didn't park there because obviously I would've recalled seeing cars there if I parked there.
29:50/RA: Like I said, there were a couple of vehicles I may have told him the exact makes, I'm not sure. I just remember one was like a sedan, I think maybe one was an SUV, I'm not sure. I'd have to look back at what I said...
30:12/LE And those cars were at the Farmer's entrance?
30:17/RA Yes.
30:18/LE What about where you parked? Were there any other vehicles?
30:23 I know there were no vehicles where I was parked because I don't remember telling him, even if he asked, I didn't see anything. A lot of people would have parked at that Farmer's entrance, -- I'm thinking that was was probably when they didn't really want people parking there and that's probably why I didn't park there. But it's much closer to the trails...(omitted material) But like I said, they didn't want you parking there, so I didn't.
41:48/LE: And then when you got back to your car, were there any other cars when you got back to your car?
42:00/RA: I don't think so. Well, no, because I would have thought through that now. ...remind me...
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What I get from this is that RA was basically telling them, "yeah, I made sure there were no vehicles where I was parked, and I really am offering no explanation for why." And RA catches the mistake, he keeps trying to explain it away later with oh yeah, you can't park in the other spot. But he's clearly already made it sound like he avoided parking there pretty much because there were other vehicles there. That's certainly how it sounds to me. I think the parking is a huge part of why that interview "went south" as quickly as it did with RA.

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OMG, what an exhausting gibberish it is! I think, he always explained things to his wife also until she stopped listening (no wonder).

 

[girlhasnoname]

The surprising part about this case was how Richard Allen was able to tell so many lies mixed with so many coincidences. There is no denying the unspent cartridge found at the scene of the crime or the over 60 confessions.

During his first interrogation, Richard Allen said he may have been wearing a blue or black Carhartt zip up jacket. He refers to it being a zip up, yet the picture of bridge guy clearly shows the jacket being worn by bridge guy was held together with snaps (in my opinion). Maybe he did this because he knew he actually wore a jacket with snaps on February 13, 2017?

Richard Allen also stated he sat on a bench overlooking the creek near the start of the 505 trail at the Mears parking entrance and that when he left it was around 1:30 pm - 1:45pm. He said he thinks he remembers there being multiple vehicles in the Mears parking lot and that one was an SUV and the other was a sedan. While he did not go into specifics about the types of vehicles in his February 2017 tip written down by DD, he did mention multiple vehicles were parked at the Mears parking lot. The 505 bench faces and overlooks the creek, not the Mears parking lot.

What is the probability that the sedan Richard Allen saw was the one that dropped off Abigail Williams and Liberty German?

I am overanalyzing the case since it has been solved, but there are some strange coincidences. Ricci Davis was able to guess the murder weapon was a box cutter even though I do not think RL has anything to do with the murders so maybe Richard Allen got very lucky being able to guess when BB came back from her bathroom break since that information was not released to the public until after Richard Allen was arrested. Richard Allen then tells a story to police to make it appear he was leaving the Monon High Bridge trail walking out back to his car right at the same time as when BB was coming back from her bathroom break at 1:46pm to park at the Mears parking area. We know the approximate location and time of where Abigail Williams and Liberty German were later due to the 2:05 pm picture and the 2:07 picture of Abigail Williams on the Monon High Bridge. Everyone else we have to guess their location based on their story. This is important because in order for BB to see Richard Allen on platform 1, Richard Allen has to be ahead of her walking to the Monon High Bridge. Then BB has to walk to the Monon High Bridge after Richard Allen. Then a few minutes after BB, Abby and Libby have to be walking to the Monon High Bridge. If it is correct, the timeline really locks Richard Allen into being bridge guy.

It is the little coincidences of truth and lies that made this case so unique.

Lying liars gonna lie.

 

[INfisherman]

OMG, what an exhausting gibberish it is! I think, he always explained things to his wife also until she stopped listening (no wonder).

….BUT….he likely finished with a "You know I love you," which she heard loud & clear.

JMO

 

[somequestions]

I personally can't tell whether that jacket has buttons or a zipper but it's important to keep in mind that there are multiple different carthartt jacket makes. There are some that zip up and the buttons then go over the zipper.

RA also stated he had off brand jackets too.

I only heard RA state there were two cars, an SUV and a Sedan. Does he state "multiple" vehicles somewhere?

You said he stated he left at 1:30 - 1:45 p.m.
Yet he told Mullin and Liggett that he was there an hour or so.
His car is going West past Hoosier Harvest Store at 1:27 p.m.
If he was leaving at that time, where would he have parked his car to be driving West at 1:27 p.m. past HHS? He was adamant that he didn't park at the Mears' entrance and no one witnessed his car there either.

RA says he entered through the Freedom Bridge trailhead which is West of HHS. So if he was leaving at 1:27 p.m. then he must have parked way out of the way East of HHS and then walked all the way past the Mears' entrance and HHS to
enter the trails at the Freedom Bridge trailhead.
He is not seen walking West by HHS so he would have had to walk behind HHS on this long walk to enter the trails then do the same (except going East) to get back to his car after leaving the trails to be captured at 1:27 p.m. driving West past HHS. Not plausible.

RA says he left his mom's at 11:00 a.m. to 11:15 a.m. Btw, we are just taking his word for this as his mother did not testify and we don't have access to his phone records. Jennifer Auger has his phone records for that day. The defense didn't use them at trial but I digress.

If RA left his mom's in Mexico, Indiana at 11:00 a.m. (It's a 38 minute drive per Google) he would have arrived home at around 11:45 a.m. to 11:55 p.m. considering traffic and traffic lights. Then he says he returned home and got a jacket before he went to the trails.
If he left his mom's at 11:15 a.m. then you have to add 15 minutes more to the earlier times, which would have him arriving home at around 12:00 p.m. to 12:15 p.m.
This means RA would be arriving at the trails possibly around 11:55 a.m. at the earliest and possibly around 12:25 p.m. at the latest.

RA says he was there an hour or so.
So the time he was at the trails would possibly be until around 12:55 p.m. at the earliest and until around 2:25 p.m. at the latest.

BB is seen traveling East past the HHS at 12:02 p.m.

BB said she would park at Mears' entrance and walk to the High Bridge then back to the intersection then go down the Mary Gerard Nature Preserve trail then she would head to the Freedom Bridge. At the Freedom Bridge she would turn around and head back to the intersection where she would start another loop going to the High Bridge first.

Bre W. took a picture of the Freedom Bridge at 12:25 p.m. when she arrived on foot with her friend RV and RV's two little sisters'.

Bre W. takes a picture of High Bridge at 12:46 p.m.

BB is seen traveling West past HHS at 1:15 p.m.
after walking her regular route twice.

At 1:26 p.m. two of the four girls' take a picture on a bench East of the Freedom Bridge. The four girls' then head West toward Freedom Bridge.
This is when they encounter "Bridge Guy".
He is overdressed for the weather and he doesn't interact with them when RV says, "Hi", to him.

RA said he saw three girls' he assumed were leaving the trails as he was entering the trails via the Freedom Bridge trailhead.
RA said he noticed them because they stood out but he did not interact with them. (Corroboration)
RA described one girl as tall with long brown hair.
He said the older girl appeared to be watching or in charge of the younger two girls' and they looked similar to him like sisters but the other one didn't.
It's important to note that RV is tall for a girl, 5'7, and she has long brown hair. One of the two little sisters' was a half sister of hers and the other sister was from the same mother and father.
(Corroboration)

RA says he walked from the Freedom Bridge to the High Bridge as he watched a stock ticker on his phone as he walked. We know RA flat out lied about having his phone. The question is Why?

Shortly before 1:46 p.m. BB sees four girls' walking across the bridge that goes over Old State Road 25.

BB is seen traveling East past HHS at 1:46 pm.
BB parks at the Mears' entrance. She sees no other cars parked there. BB walks straight toward the trail intersection then turns left on the High Bridge trail and heads toward High Bridge.

Around 1:47 to 1:48 p.m. KG arrives at the Mears' entrance with Abby and Libby. KG recalls seeing an SUV parked there.

1:48 p.m. Libby unplugs her phone from KG's car.

KG is seen driving West past HHS at 1:49 p.m.

It is not a given RA saw KG drop off Abby and Libby, just a possibility. It's also a possibility that RA saw BB arrive, exit her vehicle, and simultaneously noticed KG's sedan pull up and park. If RA headed straight to the High Bridge at that time he might not have seen Abby or Libby exit KG's sedan.

It is a fact that both BB's SUV and KG's Sedan were parked at the Mears' entrance together at least for a couple of minutes sometime around 1:46 - 1:49 p.m. (Corroboration)

BB would have arrived at the High Bridge around 1:50 ish p.m. when she saw BG on Platform One. Which just so happens to be the exact same Platform RA says he stood on when he got to High Bridge.

RA is definitely locked in as "Bridge Guy" by his own words and there is no possible way that RA didn't encounter Abby and Libby after BB passed them as she headed back to the trail intersection.

The first picture Libby posted of the bridge was timed at 2:05 p.m. This picture was taken shortly past the second platform. The second picture Libby posted was timed at 2:07 p.m. with Abby walking across the bridge between the second and third platform.

I have sometimes wondered if Richard Allen sat on the 505 trail bench for a few minutes before he walked to the Monon High Bridge platform 1 and that is how he saw the SUV and sedan in the Mears parking lot? Then he walks in front of BB to the Monon High Bridge with her behind him.

The only difference is that Abby and Libby decide to walk down the 505 trail first before they walk down the 501 and BB actually saw Abby and Libby on the 505 trail and not the 501.

 

[INfisherman]

I have sometimes wondered if Richard Allen sat on the 505 trail bench for a few minutes before he walked to the Monon High Bridge platform 1 and that is how he saw the SUV and sedan in the Mears parking lot? Then he walks in front of BB to the Monon High Bridge with her behind him.

The only difference is that Abby and Libby decide to walk down the 505 trail first before they walk down the 501 and BB actually saw Abby and Libby on the 505 trail and not the 501.

He likely told them what he saw as he drove by Mears on 300N on his way to park at the CPS building. He may have also glanced up that way on his way to the bridge. He’s checking to see if he’s alone so he can go hunting. Whether he sat on a bench or not matters little in the end.

I seriously doubt I’d anything he told LE after passing the group of girls was 100% truthful. He remembers this group of girls but can’t recall where he parked or any street or road names in the surrounding area, after having fished & mushroom hunted the area for years & telling LE he took his family out there often? I have a hard time believing that.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

BB passed Abby and Libby as they approached the MHB midway between Mears and the MHB.
Its important to note that at that midway point the trail straightens out and since it's an old RR track, one can see down the trail and bridge into the distance.
MOO There is not a chance RA did not see them.

 

[Betty P]

How long was RA diagnosed as having psychosis? Evidently just short of 3 weeks, as testified by the prison psychologist Dr. John Martin. Dr. Martin stated RA was smearing poop on himself on 13APR23. He testified the height of his psychosis was on 15APR23, then on 02MAY23, Dr. Martin saw no signs of psychosis. 19 days. RA gave his detailed confession in a logical & ordered manner to Dr. Wala the next day on 03MAY23. No other signs of psychosis noted after 02MAY23. Dr. Martin also testified it was possible for someone to slip in & out of psychosis in a 24 hour period.

Rozzi: ‘Your Honor, the Defense rests’ - Carroll County Comet

Just three minutes after court was called to session Wednesday, attorney Brad Rozzi stood up and told the judge and jurors, “Your Honor, the Defense rests.” It was anticipated that Richard Allen’s attorneys would finish their case-in-chief Wednesday, but the early morning announcement surprised...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

RA confessed around his 19 day psychotic stage, with most coming afterwards:

• 05MAR23 - Letter to warden wanting to confess.
• 03APR23 - "I did it. I killed Abby & Libby" to wife on phone.
• 23APR23 - Tells corrections officer Michael Roberts "I killed Abby & Libby. My wife wasn't involved. I want to confess."
• 29APR23 - Tells corrections officer Brandon Fisher he killed the girls with a box cutter & threw it in a dumpster behind CVS
• 03MAY23 - Confessed to Dr. Wala.
• 10MAY23 - "I need you to know I did this. I hope you still love me. It’s true, honey" to wife on phone.
• 17MAY23 - RA confesses to his mother & wants to know if she still loves him even after what he did.
• 05JUN23 - RA tells wife on phone "But you know that I did it." Wants people to be honest with him.
• 11JUN23 - "I did it Kathy. I did it. Do you still love me?" during a phone call with his wife.
• 20JUN23 - Told Dr. Martin he wanted to apologize to the families; no psychosis.
• 04FEB24 - Wabash Valley Corrections officer testified he overheard RA crying & talking to himself saying, "I am sorry for what I did. Sorry for killing them." which is after being transferred to better conditions.

Delphi murder suspect's alleged jail confessions revealed in court

Prison staff testified about Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s alleged confessions and behavior while behind bars.

abcnews.go.com

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ETA - RA was on the bridge by his own admission, evidently psychosis free, in 2017.

Agree. If he was experiencing a temporary psychotic state while in prison, it would have been triggered by something he felt was traumatic at that time. Temporary psychosis, as his doctor described, is a transient state, usually triggered by some traumatic event. If accurate, it was temporary and limited to those few days when he was in prison, not years before when he brutally murdered the girls.

As you point out, he knew he did it, he remembered the events before, during and after he did it and he admitted to it. That's not psychosis.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

New trial exhibits released and Tom Webster goes over them.
I only watched the first two minutes and there’s already new stuff. I’ll be watching later tonight.

 

[Betty P]

New trial exhibits released and Tom Webster goes over them.
I only watched the first two minutes and there’s already new stuff. I’ll be watching later tonight.

Thanks. There are quite a few good photos and exhibits. Not a lot of new information, but enough to give a better understanding of the scenes and timeline as well as ballistic evidence. From photo evidence of security cams, it seems clear that he was there at the bridge that day during the time of the murders. It’s also evident that he lied about when he left.

Photos of witnesses cars also help with the timeline. A photo taken by one of the witnesses that day shows the creek below the bridge was very muddy. That means RA would not have seen fish swimming in the water below the bridge as he claimed.

Just a few things I noticed after watching the presentation.