GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Boxer]

Lying like it's to his wife or boss who will just give up getting tired of the BS they can't stop.

 

[INfisherman]

I think you are spot on.

And until quite recently he had his own underage girl right in his own home, and with that, perhaps a friend list of similarly aged guests from time to time. One doesn't need to be awake to be fantasy fodder. Not all assaults involve touching.

2/13 might not have been his first time taking souvenirs. A man capable of abduction two little girls, forcing them to undress, spending 14 minutes with them in one location before moving them across water to another where he murdered them and took souvenirs didn't develop that sick desire that afternoon. We will never know what evidence was washed away in the creek, just as we'll never know if BK had a history of collecting panties and socks.... Hard to imagine him ignoring a slumber party....

100% he's always been a pervert.

JMO

….and he worked at another CVS in a town where another known pervert & his son lived, IIRC. That same town from which he came before heading out to MHB.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

Lying like it's to his wife or boss who will just give up getting tired of the BS they can't stop.

Putting together &/or knowing what we know now it just seems almost laughable, pathetic at minimum. Just shocked no traps were laid by those questioning him - force him to make a misstep.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920264870718550508

 

[Boxer]

….and he worked at another CVS in a town where another known pervert & his son lived, IIRC. That same town from which he came before heading out to MHB.

MOO

Due to missing phones and elapsed time the connection between them will never be found unless they wrote physical letters.

MOO in my opinion it is likely an app like Yellow was in fact used between KK and LG and maybe KK shared a pic with RA in person while RA picked up beer, though it the interaction was not about murdering anyone, but underage prurient pervert abuse. Possibly KK yold RA the girls were going to get ghosted on the bridge by Mr. Handsome Dude that day.

The police went as far as to go to France to talk to the Yellow App people in person.
Maybe to see if an old server had any info left it.
MOO KK might had a scared moment getting rid of the involved phone.
RA got rid of his phone because it had his movements that day.

 

[INfisherman]

Due to missing phones and elapsed time the connection between them will never be found unless they wrote physical letters.

MOO in my opinion it is likely an app like Yellow was in fact used between KK and LG and maybe KK shared a pic with RA in person while RA picked up beer, though it the interaction was not about murdering anyone, but underage prurient pervert abuse. Possibly KK yold RA the girls were going to get ghosted on the bridge by Mr. Handsome Dude that day.

The police went as far as to go to France to talk to the Yellow App people in person.
Maybe to see if an old server had any info left it.
MOO KK might had a scared moment getting rid of the involved phone.
RA got rid of his phone because it had his movements that day.

Some app named Kick was mentioned, IIRC - check the Vido interrogation with KK at Grissom AFB (2020?).

I agree - LE moved heaven & earth trying to link the Klines but came up empty. KK likely covered for TK (that one last iPhone) but zero proof it went down that way, unfortunately. TK in that same home, allegedly oblivious what his son was doing. Yes, RAs phone was disappeared - movements & possibly content as well. We’ll likely never know.

RA & KK sure enjoyed trying to lie, it seemed to me. Lots of circular conversations that went nowhere.

I just wonder if that’s why NM would never commit to calling this case closed when asked point blank after the trial?

JMO

 

[shonyakay]

Imo RA got rid of that phone because he knew he didn't have his phone with him on the trails like he told Dulin on February 18, 2017.

Why didn't he have his phone at the trails? Premeditation of a crime? The Murdaugh case comes to mind.

When Mullin told him they can check a phone and see if it lines up with the story a person is giving them, RA said he knew that.

RA watched Dateline every week and there are multiple episodes talking about phone data in relation to crimes committed.

 

[shonyakay]

Some app named Kick was mentioned, IIRC - check the Vido interrogation with KK at Grissom AFB (2020?).

I agree - LE moved heaven & earth trying to link the Klines but came up empty. KK likely covered for TK (that one last iPhone) but zero proof it went down that way, unfortunately. TK in that same home, allegedly oblivious what his son was doing. Yes, RAs phone was disappeared - movements & possibly content as well. We’ll likely never know.

RA & KK sure enjoyed trying to lie, it seemed to me. Lots of circular conversations that went nowhere.

I just wonder if that’s why NM would never commit to calling this case closed when asked point blank after the trial?

JMO

I may be the odd duck out but I still don't believe KK or TK had anything to do with these murders.

RA told people in prison that he did this all by himself and no one helped him.

In the October 26, 2022 interview with Holeman, RA said if somebody is saying that he helped them then they are crazy. He said good luck at finding anything that points to that. Imo because he knew he acted alone.

 

[shonyakay]

I have heard several people claim that Libby was supposed to meet with "Anthony Shots" at the High Bridge that day. The only statement we have regarding a meeting that I am aware of is LE telling Kline that he told a girl in a message that he was supposed to meet up with Libby that day but she didn't show up.

I believe this is why Holeman says they have reason to believe Libby MAY have been meeting someone out there that day. Not a fact, just a possibility.

There was no mention of the trails or High Bridge in this supposed meeting.

Also what is overlooked is the fact that Libby asked KG if she wanted to go to the High Bridge with Abby and her that day. I don't think Libby would want her Big sister to know that they were going there to go meet up with a guy that they met online.

Also, as we can see from the Snap Chat photo of Abby and Libby in KG's car, neither girl wore make-up, nor dressed up in clothes that one would think a teen girl looking forward to meeting a cute guy would wear.

They were just two kids with messy buns and regular everyday clothing going to have what they thought was going to be a fun day out at High Bridge. Unfortunately a man with evil intent crossed paths with them instead.

 

[Megnut]

Imo RA got rid of that phone because he knew he didn't have his phone with him on the trails like he told Dulin on February 18, 2017.

Why didn't he have his phone at the trails? Premeditation of a crime? The Murdaugh case comes to mind.

When Mullin told him they can check a phone and see if it lines up with the story a person is giving them, RA said he knew that.

RA watched Dateline every week and there are multiple episodes talking about phone data in relation to crimes committed.

He says he was at his mom's all day. "Well, not all day."

Then he says he went home. Then words fall out of his face. He remembers it having been a warmer.... big mumblestumble... big pause... so I got my jacket.

Hold up. Left your mom's early, went home.... for what? He just said it was a warm day....

More like, he went home to ditch his phone, grab his gun. And pocket a boxcutter.

While Abby and Libby were just finishing up their pancakes.

JMO

 

[shonyakay]

Have you guys' noticed that every single time RA confessed to these crimes he ALWAYS mentioned Abby first? He ALWAYS says he killed Abby and Libby. Never Libby and Abby. Just curious as to what everyone's thoughts on that is.
It may mean nothing but it could be significant about which girl died first. Or who RA thinks died first. Wasn't Abby incapacitated first while Libby was still moving around?

 

[shonyakay]

He says he was at his mom's all day. "Well, not all day."

Then he says he went home. Then words fall out of his face. He remembers it having been a warmer.... big mumblestumble... big pause... so I got my jacket.

Hold up. Left your mom's early, went home.... for what? He just said it was a warm day....

More like, he went home to ditch his phone, grab his gun. And pocket a boxcutter.

While Abby and Libby were just finishing up their pancakes.

JMO

Good point. I agree.

RA said it was a "seasonably warm day." He didn't need his jacket in the morning when it would have been cooler out but then needed it out at the trails later in the afternoon with the sun beaming down?

RA told Wala he "bundled up". Imo to try to hide his face as much as possible and like you stated to carry his weapons.

Which brings me to the October 26, 2022 did you see the moment an object fell out of RA's pants pocket when his wife was in the room with him?
It is a small dark boxy metal looking item that looks like it could be a box cutter.

 

[INfisherman]

I may be the odd duck out but I still don't believe KK or TK had anything to do with these murders.

RA told people in prison that he did this all by himself and no one helped him.

In the October 26, 2022 interview with Holeman, RA said if somebody is saying that he helped them then they are crazy. He said good luck at finding anything that points to that. Imo because he knew he acted alone.

It’s fine - you don’t need to believe there was a connection. I think there might have been. I’ve been wrong before & will be again, I’m sure.

 

[Boxer]

Some app named Kick was mentioned, IIRC - check the Vido interrogation with KK at Grissom AFB (2020?).

I agree - LE moved heaven & earth trying to link the Klines but came up empty. KK likely covered for TK (that one last iPhone) but zero proof it went down that way, unfortunately. TK in that same home, allegedly oblivious what his son was doing. Yes, RAs phone was disappeared - movements & possibly content as well. We’ll likely never know.

RA & KK sure enjoyed trying to lie, it seemed to me. Lots of circular conversations that went nowhere.

I just wonder if that’s why NM would never commit to calling this case closed when asked point blank after the trial?

JMO

MOO they may have hearsay about activities but no way as yet to prove.

 

[INfisherman]

MOO they may have hearsay about activities but no way as yet to prove.

I agree - hearsay & possibly some digital evidence (messages) but no proof who had the phone in hand at the time & very little more than that. I’ve said many times there is no evidence linking the 2 boys from Peru back to Delphi, so I believe you & I are clear in that regard.

I get the feeling something led them there & the CSAM may have been just a bonus - maybe not. FBI usually doesn’t come knocking on IN doors over CSAM, especially in a town of that size.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Have you guys' noticed that every single time RA confessed to these crimes he ALWAYS mentioned Abby first? He ALWAYS says he killed Abby and Libby. Never Libby and Abby. Just curious as to what everyone's thoughts on that is.
It may mean nothing but it could be significant about which girl died first. Or who RA thinks died first. Wasn't Abby incapacitated first while Libby was still moving around?

I brought that up a while back, I have always felt that he killed Abby first.

 

[Boxer]

Have you guys' noticed that every single time RA confessed to these crimes he ALWAYS mentioned Abby first? He ALWAYS says he killed Abby and Libby. Never Libby and Abby. Just curious as to what everyone's thoughts on that is.
It may mean nothing but it could be significant about which girl died first. Or who RA thinks died first. Wasn't Abby incapacitated first while Libby was still moving around?

I hadn't noticed, but apparently he was telling on himself even more.

 

[somequestions]

Between 12pm and around 2:15pm when BB is seen leaving driving by the HHS surveillance camera in her SUV, how many other sedans and SUVs were seen driving down 300 N on the HHS surveillance camera?

Do any of the exhibits show how many others there were? Since the long way to get to Mears parking lot probably is not known by many people, I thought there would be a good chance the HHS surveillance camera might show other sedans and SUVs that may have potentially parked at the Mears parking lot.

 

[shonyakay]

I brought that up a while back, I have always felt that he killed Abby first.

Sorry. Not trying to take credit. Just something I noticed. I haven't been on here much since the verdict.

 

[shonyakay]

Between 12pm and around 2:15pm when BB is seen leaving driving by the HHS surveillance camera in her SUV, how many other sedans and SUVs were seen driving down 300 N on the HHS surveillance camera?

Do any of the exhibits show how many others there were? Since the long way to get to Mears parking lot probably is not known by many people, I thought there would be a good chance the HHS surveillance camera might show other sedans and SUVs that may have potentially parked at the Mears parking lot.

People who have been there said 300 N is not a busy road. That's all I know in regards to that.