GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[stormymama]

What stuck out to me first and the most from watching the interviews and listening to the phone calls was HIS VOICE.

"Guys, down the hill."

 

[Boxer]

"If that picture was taken by her, then that's not me...."

what an odd way to answer.

True.
"Is this you?"

"Whether or not that is me, depends on what camera took it."

Is more than odd, it's "yeah that is me, but I am not going to say it is."

BGs photo had been plastered
all over Delphi for 5 years, there is no "if" about where the photo was from - - - so RA is just adding words and a question back, as liars do to mitigate direct questions.

 

[Willow Knight]

I absolutely do not disagree with you, but if the science says it could be from another gun of the same model at least a cursory look into if there were registered guns of the same model in the area, obviously it all falls apart because I do not believe Indiana has a gun registry.

I think also I’m a bit surprised that he left a bullet after seeing the interrogations and how smooth and unbothered he was, maybe it was just years of practicing but the RA in the interrogations seems calculated and purposely thoughtful of his actions

Here's the thing, and this is not a debate, we're speaking of his demeanor. In agreement

Every time I watch, when he is around real men, he is very timid. Except when on camera with LE. That is huge to me. He knows LE will not harm him! Plus. The one time when there was a police call "to keep the peace" was with a female. Which for me means the concern for non peace.

I strongly believe he high tailed his sorry little frame out of the area once he heard men calling out for Abby and Libby. No time to tidy up or remove evidence of his evil actions.

He had to scurry out of there like a rat.

 

[snarast]

Yep. And these gems.

“I think nothing you have is going to show me near the murder scene.”

“There’s no way possible that a round from my gun ended up at a murder scene.”

He’s straight up taunting JH since he felt sure he’d left no usable DNA, knew the murder weapon was actually a knife, and didn’t realize he’d dropped a shell.

jmo

It doesn’t make sense to me that he was sure he didn’t leave his DNA. His personality doesn’t really indicate controlled perfectionism and stabbing scenes often leave traces of the killer (like OJ).

Maybe it was hubris.

 

[Gemmie]

Short clip with discussion of bullet and KA asking if he was on the bridge. And JH losing his cool.

Several things struck me after watching the clip you posted.

1) How could she not have suspected him all these years after seeing him on the bridge, wearing clothes that she's seen him wear over and over and over? And not only that, but HOW they were worn/fit, and then hearing "Guys, down the hill"?

2) His wife didn't appear to be in total denial about him being BG due to all the questions she was asking him about "How did your bullet get there?". She knows it didn't just transport itself, or that someone somehow got a bullet from his gun that he didn't allow anyone else to use. Yet there it was. I kind of expected her to be in denial after listening to their phone convo and her saying things like "No you didn’t. You know you didn’t." every time he'd say he did it.

3) When they stood up for her to leave and he hugged her goodbye (I worded it that way purposely, and not "they hugged") because had he not grabbed her for a hug, I don't think she would have given him one from seeing how her arm just hung limp at her side. She is most definitely not in denial like she appeared to before his arrest.



4) I'm going to venture a guess that she might not have kissed him goodbye due to how that went down. He leaned in for it, his arms around her waist. She's just standing straight, arm still limp at her side. That was a one-sided kiss IMO.



Pic sources:

 

[StarryStarryNight]

After his wife comes in, how many times does RA say “ I could never do something like this; you know that baby; right; you know I could never do this”.
He says it over and over.
Not once that I can see, does KA ever agree with him.

 

[Megnut]

It doesn’t make sense to me that he was sure he didn’t leave his DNA. His personality doesn’t really indicate controlled perfectionism and stabbing scenes often leave traces of the killer (like OJ).

Maybe it was hubris.

The creek. He may have forced them to wash off any DNA.

He was alone with two little girls, in various stages of forced undress for many minutes where little (phone) movement was registered.

He didn't want to be linked to the murders but IMO he didn't want to be an SAer of little girls. He even said he thought they were older. Bit notice, he didn't let them go. He forced them to undress. Even if he didn't assault them further, that is SA. We don't know if HE undressed or exposed himself. We don't know if he completed any sexual acts on or near them, and he's NEVER going to confess THAT.

Maybe it's their feet he forced them to wash.

Maybe that's why he was so confident.

Nasty.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Please note: I am posting the full original video from youtuber Tom Webster that contains the now-released audio calls between RA, his wife, and his mother. This video also contains the full released footage of both LE interviews with Ricahrd Allen.

Important: ONLY this particular video is approved by mods for this thread. No other Tom Webster videos are approved.

I watched through the entire video the night it was released live by Webster. I've noted a couple of comments as I watched along:

My own thoughts ths far:

No change to my opinions on it all; guilty as charged and found.

The real kicker for me was the first call to his wife on November 14th, 2022. Just after he found himself in jail.

Long before his lawyers even came along onto the scene. They talk about trying to get him lawyers. Which goes to prove that he did NOT have a lawyer on 28th October, 2022, at the Initial Hearing as the Defence alleged and as Kathy swore to in her affadavit. I personally think her butt should be charged for lying on a sworn statement. Kathy was well aware that RA did not have a lawyer on 28th October, but she signed & filed that affadavit, post-conviction, through the Defence to the official Court record alledging otherwise. At 8m 22seconds: Kathy: "You need to hang in there honey, OK? Hang in there because we're going to get you an attorney soon Okay?"

Guilty why?? Same phone call on 14th November. No psychosis and no drugs as he's only been in for 2 weeks, 4 days after his arrest. This is also the "I'll tell the detectives whatever they want to hear" phone call.

10 minute mark: double child killer says to Kathy, "You need to get the help you need. I can't help you. I can't tell you anything that's going to make you feel better". Kathy: "I know".

Yep, couldn't muster even a single "I'm innocent" or "I didn't do this and we're going to prove it". I'm sure that would have made her feel better. BUT, he knows darn well he did it, so he can't do or say a single thing that's going to make her feel better now that he's actually locked up and charged with the crimes. He only professed his innocense prior to actually being charged & put in jail. Wonder why? Perhaps trying to avoid being charged?

2 April 2023, phone call to mom:
13 minutes, 24 seconds: No confession, but RA discusses how he has now 'found' religion.

3 April 2023 phone call to Kathy:
24 minute, 12 seconds:
RA: "I did it. I did it. I killed ... I killed Abby and Libby." ...
Kathy: "They are messing with your mind." BUT he's had NO drugs or sedation as of this date.
Kathy: "They've messed up your (regular) meds or something there."
RA snaps back: "No I defintely did it." Important to note that RA was only on his regular meds at this point in time.
Kathy: "They are messing with your mind. ... They've done something to your food or they've done something to your meds."
RA: "I just wish they'd kill me or let me apologize to the families at least."
Kathy: "Don't talk anymore? Just don't talk anymore. I need to get ahold of somebody there."

4 April 2023:
How "convenient". RA suffers his alleged "psychological break" .... after confessing (April 3rd call above) to wifey with Dr. Wala in the room yesterday as a witness to it after she "talked to somebody". By the audio, she did have an appointment to meet with Defence attorney that day.


Ri-ight.

IMO.

2:12.32

Ricky says DTH.

 

[INfisherman]

What stuck out to me first and the most from watching the interviews and listening to the phone calls was HIS VOICE.

"Guys, down the hill."

Agree. I felt the phone call recordings sounded as close to LG’s video as any of them. Little nuances (cadence, accent, etc.) all matched IMO.

I also feel up to this point, with the evidence that has been to the public, that the juror which chose to come forward & be interviewed considered the correct pieces of evidence. What she said seems to be spot on.

MOO

 

[Salah11]

After his wife comes in, how many times does RA say “ I could never do something like this; you know that baby; right; you know I could never do this”.
He says it over and over.
Not once that I can see, does KA ever agree with him.

Well, we know what she does from the jail house conversations. At this stage she'll likely she’ll be shocked and doesn’t know what to do. Her world is crumbling around her.



She obviously believes he is innocent later on once she processes it all.

 

[Boxer]

It doesn’t make sense to me that he was sure he didn’t leave his DNA. His personality doesn’t really indicate controlled perfectionism and stabbing scenes often leave traces of the killer (like OJ).

Maybe it was hubris.

It was the five years.
He calculates.

If they had CS DNA they would have already found him.

Police had put a call out to Delphi townspeople to give a DNA sample especially those who frequented the trail. He had literally told a cop he was on the trail that afternoon, and he couldn't know they had LOST his statement.

They should be calling him for that voluntary DNA sample like others were giving as he said he was on the trail, so from his perspective he had to be on some police list as a trail walker, but the police weren't calling him, so MOO he deduced the DNA call was for show.

 

[INfisherman]

When they discussed the bullet, I even meant to hear: "bullet at MY crime scene". It can't be, that he said this, can it be??

Do you happen to have a timestamp for that? TIA

 

[Boxer]

The creek. He may have forced them to wash off any DNA.

He was alone with two little girls, in various stages of forced undress for many minutes where little (phone) movement was registered.

He didn't want to be linked to the murders but IMO he didn't want to be an SAer of little girls. He even said he thought they were older. Bit notice, he didn't let them go. He forced them to undress. Even if he didn't assault them further, that is SA. We don't know if HE undressed or exposed himself. We don't know if he completed any sexual acts on or near them, and he's NEVER going to confess THAT.

Maybe it's their feet he forced them to wash.

Maybe that's why he was so confident.

Nasty.

JMO

There was mention at the time of the crime that any DNA had been effectively removed.
At the time I thought might be bleach brought to the CS from the cryptic way it was expressed, but if the assault happened on the south side as RA stated, then the creek water was the agent that removed the DNA.

 

[INfisherman]

There was mention at the time of the crime that any DNA had been effectively removed.
At the time I thought might be bleach brought to the CS from the cryptic way it was expressed, but if the assault happened on the south side as RA stated, then the creek water was the agent that removed the DNA.

Assault on south side, clothes removed, hears/sees the van, panics, allows one to redress in the others clothes & throws the rest in the creek as they cross. Likely the only thing which occurred on the north side was the taking of lives & attempt to conceal the girls. Is that what you’re more or less thinking?

 

[INfisherman]

Well, we know what she does from the jail house conversations. At this stage she'll likely she’ll be shocked and doesn’t know what to do. Her world is crumbling around her.



She obviously believes he is innocent later on once she processes it all.

During the interviews, she never mentions lawyers. RA does, but for only for her. She’d been speaking with attorneys by the time the calls from jail had occurred & had been a bit more educated because she was telling him to watch what he said & suddenly had a better sense of what not to do in a legal sense.

She has known all along he was there & LE was looking for him. By 2022, she knew he did it. They both chose to deny it so they could go back to their codependent infantilism, gaslighting I love you honey bunny routine.

2 of the most selfish people in the planet - and parents of a girl to boot. Zero empathy.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Well, we know what she does from the jail house conversations. At this stage she'll likely she’ll be shocked and doesn’t know what to do. Her world is crumbling around her.



She obviously believes he is innocent later on once she processes it all.

Maybe it's KA's lifetime of codependency and poor treatment by RA. Deep inside her soul, I believe she def knew it was him after the first interview.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Thanks for remembering
I am sure the police did too.
Wonder if he bought the Sig private party.

I'm not so sure. With so many investigation missteps, it wouldn't surprise me if they determined the gun model from your posts!

jmo

 

[Mirabel091]

They both chose to deny it so they could go back to their codependent infantilism, gaslighting I love you honey bunny routine.

2 of the most selfish people in the planet - and parents of a girl to boot. Zero empathy.

JMO

For that, they would need to recognise there are other monsters out there, not just the one they have at home. To him, it would have seemed she was the safest child in town.

 

[justtrish]

I don’t disagree but Delphi isn’t where the cream of the crop of LE goes for a career nor is it going to have bottomless pockets for funding. They were overwhelmed & disorganized for years. No clear people in charge. Mistakes happen for many reasons. Once they had realized the mistakes, it didn’t take them long to lay focus where it should be. LE gets lucky many, many times with murders. No difference here other than how the defense handled things.

The vast majority of evidence is circumstantial but there is a mountain of it & the timeline at the very minimum up to the point of DTH is pretty solid. Not even his lawyers could throw a wrench into that. The prosecution never gave a specific choreography of events once he led them towards the creek. LG’s phone ceasing to log movement was the only other time that really mattered because somewhere around that time is when things went south quickly.

He saw the group of girls, they saw him. He was on the bridge, admitted to it & never saw another person that day, not even another male who could have come from the NW end (no other BG).

The round was a non-factor at trial but it gave LE the ammo (no pun intended) to get the PCA for the search warrant which resulted in his arrest & added some other small pieces of evidence.

RA did the rest by himself with his phone calls while incarcerated. His lawyers likely did more harm than help as far as what occurred in the courtroom & their chosen strategies. They were too distracted by attempting to muddy the waters outside the courtroom & inventing false narratives or outright lies concerning claims of "new evidence".

100% agree RA is unlikely to admit to anything, at least in the near future. If he does, it likely will be lies or at best half truths.

JMO

I agree!

I think a lot of officers did a lot of hard work and they did a lot of things right. We still don't know how the tip was mislabeled. It could have been an innocent mistake and let's face it, without RA coming forward or someone saying hey that is RA, it may not have been solved ever. That isn't the fault of LE. They can't magically know who a perp is and they can't go around interrogating every person they think looks like BG. They needed a tip and it happens that the one they got was misfiled. I wouldn't say that means a lot was messed up. I'd say we will never know the hours and hours of work that was done on this case and most all of that was done right. These LEO's lived this case for years and many of them are still likely impacted by it. They then were made to all look like incompetent jerks that were just covering for the real killer.

It's unfortunate that someone can commit a crime in an area without cameras and get away with it, but it happens. LE can't know what they don't know. DNA isn't there, then they can't just wish it was so.

He committed a crime in an area that nobody was likely to see him, he only passed a few people on the trail and none of them knew him or who he was and they didn't even know they needed to remember what he looked like.. it was an average day for everyone out there except for him.. he is the only one that knew what his evil plan was.. everyone else was just enjoying a nice day outside. He didn't leave DNA behind and we don't know what phone he had or if he even had one that day so nothing could lead police to him unless he or someone he knew came forward.

I do wonder if the heat was on him from day 1, then would he have gotten rid of evidence? Instead he kept it and he gained confidence as the days/weeks/months went on. He was bold to keep that gun, he even had a keepsake bullet in his little box. I don't know if he would have kept that.. he also kept the car, but what he did do was get rid of the phone he said he had. Interesting.. so some things actually helped with the passing of time. I think that time is also what lead him to come in to talk to LE in Oct. of 22. He wasn't too worried about it because it had been 5 years.. he was going to be helpful.

So maybe this case played out exactly as it should have in order to get the conviction so he could be put where he belongs.

 

[INfisherman]

For that, they would need to recognise there are other monsters out there, not just the one they have at home. To him, it would have seemed she was the safest child in town.

RA claimed they watched Dateline which is full of other monsters. I was implying they were selfish in that they lacked empathy for the victims’ families who did lose daughters. I probably could’ve been more clear in my post. It was bad enough he was an animal towards young girls having raised a daughter himself.

MOO