GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[INfisherman]

A little tidbit I caught during the 26OCT22 interview with Holeman, he told JH he only carried his gun when he went fishing or mushroom hunting. When he was alone with his wife he said, "I just know that I never even carried the gun unless we were going mushroom hunting, tromping through the woods, fishing along the river. That’s the only time I even carried it for the most part.

Subtle little lies.

Possibly reaching but I noticed KA used the words she "didn’t know how to answer that" when alluding to his rounds found at the scene & in the keepsake box, as if they’d possibly rehearsed likely scenarios after his interview 13 days prior with Mullin & Liggett & she’d been told what to say.

Prior to those instances, he’d make claims of (paraphrasing) "I know you know me & I know you know I wouldn’t do this; I know you love me," etc. but he would be looking down or away until he was finished & then look up to see if she was agreeing or acknowledging, as if he needed an indicator whether or not she was buying his heaping pile.

Slick little worm is this one. Happy he’s squirming in Pendleton with his sporks & bible.

JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

KA has been on guard against him in the interrogation room, so it seems to me. Maybe, she even feared a sudden physical outburst of anger. I noticed, that she often moved her shoulders and her neck, as if she feared blows exactly there or as if she already had gotten blows to these body parts often in her life. MOO
Now I'm having a different image of her in my mind than before.

 

[Mirabel091]

He wasn't having a conversation with the "I know you know me" part. That seemed so... rehearsed. The only part where he was really talking to her is when she apologised and he said he loved her.

 

[iamshadow21]

KA has been on guard against him in the interrogation room, so it seems to me. Maybe, she even feared a sudden physical outburst of anger. I noticed, that she often moved her shoulders and her neck, as if she feared blows exactly there or as if she already had gotten blows to these body parts often in her life. MOO
Now I'm having a different image of her in my mind than before.

It doesn't give an impression of a happy home.

Throws that domestic callout for LE into a different light.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

It doesn't give an impression of a happy home.

Throws that domestic callout for LE into a different light.

MOO

Yes it does (throw the domestic call into a different light) - I was mulling that over last night. She acted quite concerned that she didn’t give the proper rehearsed responses, more so than worried about the gravity of the whole situation.

MOO

 

[shonyakay]

Is this why he wanted to meet LE in some parking lot and not at his home?

I wished Dulin would have detailed what car RA was driving. If it wasn't the Ford Focus then that may be a possibility as to why he didn't want Dulin to come to his house.

 

[shonyakay]

RA was no "fragile egg".

In the October 26, 2022 video he seems somewhat arrogant and very manipulative.

Holeman said when he arrived at the station RA was acting strange. He told him he had a warrant for his DNA and RA said "yeah, I knew you did". He emptied out all of his pockets, of even his personal items, before even being questioned like he knew he was going to be detained.

He was prepared for this interview.

Based on what was agreed upon by the prosecution and defense at trial what was left out of the video was ALL of the times RA kept telling Holeman "arrest me"! Also when RA refused a polygraph test.

He told his wife that if she asked for an attorney she could leave. He knew they had him.

 

[shonyakay]

Has the exhibit of the jacket been released?
I am interested in seeing if it has an area on the cuff that could have possibly made the two faint lines right below Abby's mouth.

 

[Boxer]

I wished Dulin would have detailed what car RA was driving. If it wasn't the Ford Focus then that may be a possibility as to why he didn't want Dulin to come to his house.

Good point. Same as the parking lot meeting place, calls no attention to the wrong things.

From the beginning the crime has always seemed to me to be like shoplifting.
Watching and understanding where people's focus is, then making sudden decision to take and go.
Same deal meeting with Dulin, it worked. Expert level liar.

 

[justtrish]

What did you think about the voice compared to LG’s video?

Me, I wouldn’t say it was definitively a 100% match due to the differences in the microphones doing the audio captures but there was a startling similarity in his delivery (timing), accent & timbre. They sounded quite similar in a way I find hard to pinpoint. They were convincing enough to me.

MOO

I've only listened to the recorded phone calls and the sound is less than ideal. Often he's crying or his wife is, but I will say listening to those and I can't say it's NOT him.

Please note: I am posting the full original video from youtuber Tom Webster that contains the now-released audio calls between RA, his wife, and his mother. This video also contains the full released footage of both LE interviews with Ricahrd Allen.

Important: ONLY this particular video is approved by mods for this thread. No other Tom Webster videos are approved.

I watched through the entire video the night it was released live by Webster. I've noted a couple of comments as I watched along:

My own thoughts ths far:

No change to my opinions on it all; guilty as charged and found.

The real kicker for me was the first call to his wife on November 14th, 2022. Just after he found himself in jail.

Long before his lawyers even came along onto the scene. They talk about trying to get him lawyers. Which goes to prove that he did NOT have a lawyer on 28th October, 2022, at the Initial Hearing as the Defence alleged and as Kathy swore to in her affadavit. I personally think her butt should be charged for lying on a sworn statement. Kathy was well aware that RA did not have a lawyer on 28th October, but she signed & filed that affadavit, post-conviction, through the Defence to the official Court record alledging otherwise. At 8m 22seconds: Kathy: "You need to hang in there honey, OK? Hang in there because we're going to get you an attorney soon Okay?"

Guilty why?? Same phone call on 14th November. No psychosis and no drugs as he's only been in for 2 weeks, 4 days after his arrest. This is also the "I'll tell the detectives whatever they want to hear" phone call.

10 minute mark: double child killer says to Kathy, "You need to get the help you need. I can't help you. I can't tell you anything that's going to make you feel better". Kathy: "I know".

Yep, couldn't muster even a single "I'm innocent" or "I didn't do this and we're going to prove it". I'm sure that would have made her feel better. BUT, he knows darn well he did it, so he can't do or say a single thing that's going to make her feel better now that he's actually locked up and charged with the crimes. He only professed his innocense prior to actually being charged & put in jail. Wonder why? Perhaps trying to avoid being charged?

2 April 2023, phone call to mom:
13 minutes, 24 seconds: No confession, but RA discusses how he has now 'found' religion.

3 April 2023 phone call to Kathy:
24 minute, 12 seconds:
RA: "I did it. I did it. I killed ... I killed Abby and Libby." ...
Kathy: "They are messing with your mind." BUT he's had NO drugs or sedation as of this date.
Kathy: "They've messed up your (regular) meds or something there."
RA snaps back: "No I defintely did it." Important to note that RA was only on his regular meds at this point in time.
Kathy: "They are messing with your mind. ... They've done something to your food or they've done something to your meds."
RA: "I just wish they'd kill me or let me apologize to the families at least."
Kathy: "Don't talk anymore? Just don't talk anymore. I need to get ahold of somebody there."

4 April 2023:
How "convenient". RA suffers his alleged "psychological break" .... after confessing (April 3rd call above) to wifey with Dr. Wala in the room yesterday as a witness to it after she "talked to somebody". By the audio, she did have an appointment to meet with Defence attorney that day.


Ri-ight.

IMO.

I am watching the first interview with LE and it's so noticable that he's rambling and going on and on about where he parked and what bridge was there and where they didn't want people to park and so on. I mean like 15 minutes of going on about nothing.

Also I notice he says "WE" parked here or there or we usually parked here and then we saw the sign not to park there so we didn't. He never seems to say I parked... he repeatedly says "we".. was this his attempt to refer to when he comes with his wife.. maybe saying we made him feel better like it wasn't just him.

 

[Salah11]

I don’t believe Kathy is a fragile egg. If this was an unhappy marriage then it’s the perfect time to escape it but she continually ignores his pleas and defends him. This is the same man who lied to her about being out in the bridge and yet she still maintains his innocence.

IMO

 

[justtrish]

I don’t believe Kathy is a fragile egg. If this was an unhappy marriage then it’s the perfect time to escape it but she continually ignores his pleas and defends him. This is the same man who lied to her about being out in the bridge and yet she still maintains his innocence.

IMO

I'll say IMO since I am not a an expert, but I wonder if it's a co dependent type relationship. It reminds me a lot of my mother. My father has some issues and even when something hurts her (not physically), she defends him. She knows what he's doing is wrong, but when it comes down to it she just takes his side, defends him, and really acts like what he's doing is not wrong. They can't seem to function without each other and it's toxic in so many ways. Again IMO

 

[KSwizzle]

It's definitely odd, just got to watch these for the first time, he seems so much more in control and eerily calm than compared to how I think I would be even if I was innocent. Also, for how calm and matter of fact he is, it's weird that he didn't ask for a lawyer right away, just judging the video it's hard for me to believe he didn't know or wasn't smart enough to know he didn't have to say anything, MOO

 

[justtrish]

It's definitely odd, just got to watch these for the first time, he seems so much more in control and eerily calm than compared to how I think I would be even if I was innocent. Also, for how calm and matter of fact he is, it's weird that he didn't ask for a lawyer right away, just judging the video it's hard for me to believe he didn't know or wasn't smart enough to know he didn't have to say anything, MOO

I think he wanted to know what they knew. He played their game because he liked it. IMO

 

[shonyakay]

I don’t believe Kathy is a fragile egg. If this was an unhappy marriage then it’s the perfect time to escape it but she continually ignores his pleas and defends him. This is the same man who lied to her about being out in the bridge and yet she still maintains his innocence.

IMO

Andrew Baldwin describes her as "fiesty".

 

[Megnut]

I've only listened to the recorded phone calls and the sound is less than ideal. Often he's crying or his wife is, but I will say listening to those and I can't say it's NOT him.

I am watching the first interview with LE and it's so noticable that he's rambling and going on and on about where he parked and what bridge was there and where they didn't want people to park and so on. I mean like 15 minutes of going on about nothing.

Also I notice he says "WE" parked here or there or we usually parked here and then we saw the sign not to park there so we didn't. He never seems to say I parked... he repeatedly says "we".. was this his attempt to refer to when he comes with his wife.. maybe saying we made him feel better like it wasn't just him.

He had perfect recall for historical facts but IMO became fact-anemic for 2:13 on 2/13......

He resorted to historical answers. We usually... that's where we parked...

Why did you park there? We would park...

Gives the impression he's cooperating, being honest... but it doesn't matter what he might have done 1000 times if it's not what he did that day.

Deliberately detailed and deliberating vague, depending on what he thought would serve him best.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I think he wanted to know what they knew. He played their game because he liked it. IMO

^Doug Carter called that one, too.

“We know that this is about power for you, and you want to know what we know,” Carter said. “One day, you will.”

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/police-to-discuss-new-direction-in-delphi-murder-investigation-significant-developments-expected/

 

[shonyakay]

I hope I am posting this right. Just wanted to bring this back up because in the October 13, 2022 questioning Richard Allen says he and his wife watch Dateline "every week".

GUILTY Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216'

Nov 19, 2024

Since Allen brought up the fact that he watched the show "Dateline" while being questioned in October 2022 I began to research episodes that were being shown around the time of the crime. Just ten days before the crime on February 3, 2017 "Dateline" aired, "A Texas Twist" (Season 25 Episode 18).

The gist of the show is two teen girls go to a park by the beach to hang out. When they get there they observe a creepy man. They take a picture or do something and the next thing they know he is right there. The man takes the girls' down a little bit lower on the beach. He rapes one girl and...

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[INfisherman]

Good point. Same as the parking lot meeting place, calls no attention to the wrong things.

From the beginning the crime has always seemed to me to be like shoplifting.
Watching and understanding where people's focus is, then making sudden decision to take and go.
Same deal meeting with Dulin, it worked. Expert level liar.

RBBM

This more than anything, IMO. He was very good at directing conversations with LE up to a point. Once he was put into situations where average people would likely recant events of the time in question, he just kept finding ways to avoid doing as such. That’s where he seemed to repeat the I don’t knows & I can’t explain something I don’t understand, his repetitive hand & facial gestures, quick glances up to the cameras. Kind of like the entire case, just lots of little things all added up.

He was surprisingly measured & careful not to show signs of nervousness or intimidation (crossing/folding arms). He did cross his left leg quite often which can be inferred similarly as crossing arms (intimidate, wanting space from an aggressor).

I’d have been paranoid as hell if I’d have been in his shoes, doing what he did & they come at me with the cell phone video, image of my car, then 13 days later show me ballistics evidence, I doubt I’d have maintained my composure or confidence the same way. He was a very practiced liar.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

RBBM

This more than anything, IMO. He was very good at directing conversations with LE up to a point. Once he was put into situations where average people would likely recant events of the time in question, he just kept finding ways to avoid doing as such. That’s where he seemed to repeat the I don’t knows & I can’t explain something I don’t understand, his repetitive hand & facial gestures, quick glances up to the cameras. Kind of like the entire case, just lots of little things all added up.

He was surprisingly measured & careful not to show signs of nervousness or intimidation (crossing/folding arms). He did cross his left leg quite often which can be inferred similarly as crossing arms (intimidate, wanting space from an aggressor).

I’d have been paranoid as hell if I’d have been in his shoes, doing what he did & they come at me with the cell phone video, image of my car, then 13 days later show me ballistics evidence, I doubt I’d have maintained my composure or confidence the same way. He was a very practiced liar.

MOO

Except for the image that "couldn't be him if it came from their camera" and the bullet he likely had forgotten about, I think he was confident he left no DNA. Because he didn't commit rape and anything he did do could have, would have been washed away in the creek.

In fact IMO that is why he forced them across the creek. Partially clad, or barely clad if at all, for LG.

Closer to the truth, RA might have heard/seen BW's van after the river crossing. If he heard it, so did the girls who might have tried to get away, BW being their only hope (unless AW could get away with the phone).

And RA wasn't about to let any such things happen, delivering lethal injuries and then watching while the girls slowly succumbed to those barbaric wounds.

He remains more concerned about his sorry self than the two lives he's butchered.

Sadistic.

JMO