GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

My impression was she wanted to be married in Delphi. Married out of high school, as they grew older he ended up an awful person so she pretended he was just a toddler and ignored his bad behavior, which continued to get worse, and she was stuck being PollyAna to his wizened baby act.
I agree. I caught the feeling of fear: “what am I going to do now, what’s going to happen to me. You lied to me, said you weren’t on the bridge.” A lot to process in a few short seconds. Seemed like the first few minutes she’s in there she’s dumbstruck, saying nothing but confirming everything she had probably been thinking since February 2017.

Thank you for these videos coming to light and giving us all the perspective each and every one of us needed.

MOO
 
I agree. I caught the feeling of fear: “what am I going to do now, what’s going to happen to me. You lied to me, said you weren’t on the bridge.” A lot to process in a few short seconds. Seemed like the first few minutes she’s in there she’s dumbstruck, saying nothing but confirming everything she had probably been thinking since February 2017.

Thank you for these videos coming to light and giving us all the perspective each and every one of us needed.

MOO
Yes.
Thank you to the posters putting these videos up.
 
My impression was she wanted to be married in Delphi. Married out of high school, as they grew older he ended up an awful person so she pretended he was just a toddler and ignored his bad behavior, which continued to get worse, and she was stuck being PollyAna to his wizened baby act.

a lot of men don’t develop past 18 IMO

she no doubt enabled it
 
Doesn't this make it sound like his whole explanation to his wife was "that's not me because I never went on the bridge" and she accepted that????? He went to MHB that day, but he's not the guy on the bridge who looks, walks, dresses just like him because he stopped short of the bridge?

But he did go talk to LE (DD) so maybe she took that as confirmation that LE believed him so....

JMO
We know now that he wouldn't talk to DD at his home or go into the Police Station, but agreed to meet away from these places. I wonder if KA knew this is how RA 'talked and was cleared' with LE?
 
a lot of men don’t develop past 18 IMO

she no doubt enabled it
I think, when RA and KA married, his mother was very happy and thankful, finally to hand over responsibility to his wife. Maybe, his mother got Kathy some tips, how to handle her difficult son out of caution, and mother and wife stayed close to one another because of this burden. MOO
 
I was wrong too. Edited my first sentence for clarity.

She may have been more of a nagger or whiner until he got mad, then she may have cowered. Hard telling, really. They deserve one another as far as I am concerned.

MOO
I think KA cowered and catered to RA during their entire marriage. She called LE for a domestic event one time (2015 IIRC) so things had to have gotten very ugly, but then ended up driving him to the hospital on her own as not to get him in trouble.

I believe episodes like this happened a lot during the marriage. RA bullied, brow beat, especially while drinking, and KA tip toed around the unhealthy relationship to keep 'her person'. Yuck

JMO
 
Doesn't this make it sound like his whole explanation to his wife was "that's not me because I never went on the bridge" and she accepted that????? He went to MHB that day, but he's not the guy on the bridge who looks, walks, dresses just like him because he stopped short of the bridge?

But he did go talk to LE (DD) so maybe she took that as confirmation that LE believed him so....

JMO
Right? As you stated above, "who looks, walks, dresses just like him" and then add to it the voice of the man Libby recorded telling the girls to go down the hill. So then we have RA looking like, walking like, dressing and sounding just like BG! But RA told his wife he never went on the bridge so she just believed him regardless of what was staring her right in the face? RA's parents took knew all of this and on that day too as they had been together earlier.
 
I think KA cowered and catered to RA during their entire marriage. She called LE for a domestic event one time (2015 IIRC) so things had to have gotten very ugly, but then ended up driving him to the hospital on her own as not to get him in trouble.

I believe episodes like this happened a lot during the marriage. RA bullied, brow beat, especially while drinking, and KA tip toed around the unhealthy relationship to keep 'her person'. Yuck

JMO
See? We have pictures and a voice recording that look and sound just like him, a history of domestic issues, at least 1 hospital visit for mental concerns and an admission from RA that he was at the place and at the time the girls were murdered.
The only reason KA didn't turn him in was because RA told her he didn't go on the bridge so it wasn't him? She just simply believed him? IMO I believe you're correct with your statement, "I believe episodes like this happened a lot during the marriage. RA bullied, brow beat, especially while drinking, and KA tip toed around the unhealthy relationship to keep 'her person'." I might add that I suspect KA was a beaten woman and in every way. jmho.
 
i admit that i got this all wrong.

i defended this monster - i accept having seen these recordings - he is clearly BG, ergo he is clearly involved in this horrible crime.

i'm big enough to acknowledge when i was wrong
If it makes you feel better, I often learn something from members who defend suspects who are eventually found guilty. It's always important to be objective about evidence and give suspects a fair shake.
 
Right? As you stated above, "who looks, walks, dresses just like him" and then add to it the voice of the man Libby recorded telling the girls to go down the hill. So then we have RA looking like, walking like, dressing and sounding just like BG! But RA told his wife he never went on the bridge so she just believed him regardless of what was staring her right in the face? RA's parents took knew all of this and on that day too as they had been together earlier.
Maybe, he told her, every middle aged man like him in Delphi was wearing such clothing, and he wasn't even wrong with it.
 
There were initial reports that the photo was taken from a trail cam.

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GUILTY - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

As I recall some people couldn’t believe the photo/video was taken by Libby because it appeared the murderer so close in front of her that surely he would’ve noticed and taken and destroyed her cellphone to eliminate the incriminating evidence.

Maybe that’s the same reason RA couldn’t accept the fact Libby videoed him without him realizing it? It can’t be him! That and managing to hide the cellphone so he didn’t even realize there was one. The girls got one over him in their final moments and he refused to admit it years later, even to himself.

JMO
 
Yes.
Thank you to the posters putting these videos up.
These are some horrible videos. I don’t know how that RA innocence team gets their fuel. What do they think they can accomplish at this point?

If they want to argue for accomplices, then serve up the evidence not just innuendo. But there is no doubt RA is guilty.
 
I think KA cowered and catered to RA during their entire marriage. She called LE for a domestic event one time (2015 IIRC) so things had to have gotten very ugly, but then ended up driving him to the hospital on her own as not to get him in trouble.

I believe episodes like this happened a lot during the marriage. RA bullied, brow beat, especially while drinking, and KA tip toed around the unhealthy relationship to keep 'her person'. Yuck

JMO
I imagine it was difficult for their child to grow up in this family.
 
Thank you for listening and posting this quote.

Just as we figured Kathy knew all along it was Rick that killed the girls.

All imo

I wonder if a professional might ever analyze what’s driving the interaction between RA and KA?

JMO she’s an severly abused women who’s self-confidence has long been stripped away. As is common in those situations RA just has to say he loves her and/or needs her love and that’s all she wants and needs to ground her in her world of worthlessness that she’d become accustomed to living. RA is indeed her person, he’s her everything.

What kind of loving husband treats her like that considering the circumstances. I’m going to guess most, if not all, females felt completely repulsed by his ‘loving’ behaviour in the recordings that were recently released. Yet she didn’t, why’s that?

Even the multiple confessions to her, why is he not demanding his lawyers change his plea rather than putting the burden on her back. IMO he was ‘testing’ her response to assure himself she was ‘behaving’, despite the fact she probably knows enough incriminating information to put him six feet under. An abusive situation has been associated with behaviour similar to Stockholm Syndrome and that’s what it seems we’re seeing from KA.

I do hope she’s able to get her life back, somewhere far away from both RA and his mother. There are more victims than just Libby and Abby and their families, his wife is one of them. JMO
 
I feel like I have entered the twilight zone. I don’t know where this whole poor Kathy thing came from, and I don’t believe it for a second.

She fully supported him and made the victims' families pain a million times worse by refusing to accept dear old Rick’s confession. Let’s not forget she fully supported him and even said “that’s her guy”.
 
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I feel like I have entered the twilight zone. I don’t know where this whole poor Kathy thing came from, and I don’t believe it for a second.

She fully supported him and made the victims' families pain a million times worse by refusing to accept dear old Rick’s confession. Let’s not forget she fully supported him and even said “that’s her guy”.
I agree. I think someone can have a dysfunctional relationship with someone they feel codependent with but still choose to be an enabler and support someone they know has done terrible things.

It's not one or the other.

MOO
 
She fully supported him and made the victims' families pain a million times worse by refusing to accept dear old Rick’s confession. Let’s not forget she fully supported him and even said “that’s her guy”.

In what way could she have accepted his confessions considering his plea to the judge was Not Guilty? It’s very doubtful he was expecting her to offer him legal assistance about how to change his plea considering he had two attorneys on his case. Otherwise what would’ve been the point to his confessions if not ‘testing’ her loyalty or whatever toward him? Regardless, after the first confession I’d be quite certain his attorneys very strongly influenced her non-reaction but RA wouldn’t have known that. JMO
 

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