GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[ClearAhead]

As other have mentioned, why is KA saying sorry to her lying creature of a husband? Apologizing for a spouse’s wrong-doings is a very common habit of victims of abuse.

BBM

Moment Delphi killer's wife learns he lied about day of murders

In newly-released video, Richard Allen's wife Kathy is seen tearfully confronting him about his changing story about the day that Abby Williams and Libby German were murdered.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'But were you on the bridge?' Kathy asks.

Allen replies: 'I told them I was on the bridge. I went out to the first trestle.'

A sobbing Kathy appears taken aback by her husband's admission - and confronts him about changing his story.

'Oh okay. I don't remember you telling me that,' she says.

When she tells him that she told police he wasn't on the bridge, he tells her: 'Hun, you're not in any trouble.'

Kathy, who shares an adult daughter with the convicted killer, breaks down into sobs with her voice inaudible through the crying.

She then says: 'I didn't know you were on it. I’m sorry.

'You told me you weren’t...' she tells him.

Allen appears to briefly loose his cool and denies that he has changed his story about where he was at the time of the murders.

 

[INfisherman]

I think KA cowered and catered to RA during their entire marriage. She called LE for a domestic event one time (2015 IIRC) so things had to have gotten very ugly, but then ended up driving him to the hospital on her own as not to get him in trouble.

I believe episodes like this happened a lot during the marriage. RA bullied, brow beat, especially while drinking, and KA tip toed around the unhealthy relationship to keep 'her person'. Yuck

JMO

Yeah - poor little Ricky the snowflake. Baby him because he loves everyone who he drags through all of his his drunken outbursts/problems, but don’t make him angry.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

As other have mentioned, why is KA saying sorry to her lying creature of a husband? Apologizing for a spouse’s wrong-doings is a very common habit of victims of abuse.

BBM

Moment Delphi killer's wife learns he lied about day of murders

In newly-released video, Richard Allen's wife Kathy is seen tearfully confronting him about his changing story about the day that Abby Williams and Libby German were murdered.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'But were you on the bridge?' Kathy asks.

Allen replies: 'I told them I was on the bridge. I went out to the first trestle.'

A sobbing Kathy appears taken aback by her husband's admission - and confronts him about changing his story.

'Oh okay. I don't remember you telling me that,' she says.

When she tells him that she told police he wasn't on the bridge, he tells her: 'Hun, you're not in any trouble.'

Kathy, who shares an adult daughter with the convicted killer, breaks down into sobs with her voice inaudible through the crying.

She then says: 'I didn't know you were on it. I’m sorry.

'You told me you weren’t...' she tells him.

Allen appears to briefly loose his cool and denies that he has changed his story about where he was at the time of the murders.

…and ends it with an I love you. The cherry on top of the BS cake he’s feeding her.

ETA:

In what way could she have accepted his confessions considering his plea to the judge was Not Guilty? It’s very doubtful he was expecting her to offer him legal assistance about how to change his plea considering he had two attorneys on his case. Otherwise what would’ve been the point to his confessions if not ‘testing’ her loyalty or whatever toward him? Regardless, after the first confession I’d be quite certain his attorneys very strongly influenced her non-reaction but RA wouldn’t have known that. JMO

I believe the test of her loyalty came when she was in the room alone with him during the Holeman interview in 2022 & he was caught in the lie about being on the bridge. Had she gotten up & walked out or not allowed him to hug or kiss her, that would’ve been it between them. She couldn’t or wouldn’t not believe him, for whatever reason. It was strengthened once the clown attorneys entered the picture & convinced her they could get an acquittal. She made her bed & now she gets to sleep in it.

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

…and ends it with an I love you. The cherry on top of the BS cake he’s feeding her.

ETA:

I believe the test of her loyalty came when she was in the room alone with him during the Holeman interview in 2022 & he was caught in the lie about being on the bridge. Had she gotten up & walked out or not allowed him to hug or kiss her, that would’ve been it between them. She couldn’t or wouldn’t not believe him, for whatever reason. It was strengthened once the clown attorneys entered the picture & convinced her they could get an acquittal. She made her bed & now she gets to sleep in it.

JMO

Yep she made her bed. But her 11th hour chance to turn the page on RA and expose him for who he is comes prior or during his appeal. Wishful thinking I suppose.

 

[New Penny]

I agree. I think someone can have a dysfunctional relationship with someone they feel codependent with but still choose to be an enabler and support someone they know has done terrible things.

It's not one or the other.

MOO

Yes. Turning a blind eye.

 

[Boxer]

Yes. Turning a blind eye.

Assisted blindness. his attorneya pretty much like the Fox and Cat in Pinoccio.

 

[INfisherman]

Yep she made her bed. But her 11th hour chance to turn the page on RA and expose him for who he is comes prior or during his appeal. Wishful thinking I suppose.

Very wishful thinking, I’m afraid. I just don’t see her doing that. Everyone else is wrong except her darling Ricky. He’s been twisting her mind since high school & "she knows him. She knows he’d never do something like that," according to her husband. For better or for worse I suppose.

Assisted blindness. his attorneya pretty much like the Fox and Cat in Pinoccio.

They might’ve been the worst of the enablers - they convinced his family (unknown about daughter) that he was innocent & lied just as much as their client did.

JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

Had she gotten up & walked out or not allowed him to hug or kiss her, that would’ve been it between them.

She would probably have had to be rescued from the room! MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree. I think someone can have a dysfunctional relationship with someone they feel codependent with but still choose to be an enabler and support someone they know has done terrible things.

It's not one or the other.

MOO

Agree 100%

 

[snarast]

I feel like I have entered the twilight zone. I don’t know where this whole poor Kathy thing came from, and I don’t believe it for a second.

She fully supported him and made the victims' families pain a million times worse by refusing to accept dear old Rick’s confession. Let’s not forget she fully supported him and even said “that’s her guy”.

Agreed. She doesn’t hug him back, though. That indicates doubt IMO.

Is some ways that is worse. Because as you said she certainly has been by his side.

 

[arielilane]

My perspective and matter of opinion:


When the BG video came out I suspected that KA recognized RA by sight, voice, and body shape.
He advised her he wasn’t on the bridge that day, so perhaps her worries were relieved somewhat.

Still… as the years passed by and no one got arrested did she have an inkling that just maybe he’s BG? A gut feeling- tugging at you every day. I am sure his behavior changed after the double murder of Abby and Libby. We know he changed his appearance after the murders. I suspect she ignored the red flags, did she ignore intuition?

He’s arrested and then when the confessions start she didnt want any part of it. She had been able to put her head in the sand for years.

In the linked footage (timestamp begins:14:40 - 18:00) RA, stated I killed Abby and Libby. Her response is "no, you didnt.” I believe she realized her life would never be the same again - she didnt want any of that, she’s in full denial at this point, telling him no, you didnt. Stop talking...They are screwing with you there… they messed up your meds or something there… they are messing with you. They are messing with your mind. They’ve done something to your food or they’ve done something to your neck. Dont talk anymore. Okay.

Why in the world would she not allow him to be honest and let him speak?

It very strange the conversations between them. Child wanting mother’s love? Acceptance? I dont understand it. It was exhausting to listen to and disgusting at the same time.

He needs her to listen to him and she’s not having any of it. I believe we may have gotten more details from RA if she would have listened and let him talk. Instead, she only cared about her security and what was best for her. That’s what it looked like to me. Some people can really be selfish.

Really disappointed and believe that the families of Abby and Libby suffered more because this family wanted to keep RA’s secret, because they knew he was BG from the video, imo. Curious why the daughter isn’t mentioned much. Of course I may have missed it.

After watching and listening to RA in the recently released videos, someone like me that doesnt know him recognized Richard Allen as BG (the person on the bridge) by his voice and body shape. Heck, I recognized his body shape from one of the previous jail clips. She didnt recognize his clothes, either?


In addition, quite revealing that he’s able to provide such detail about the young girls he saw on the trails that day. He’s a very disturbed evil monster who is exactly where he needs to be.

 

[Tapeartree]

When the BG video came out I suspected that KA recognized RA by sight, voice, and body shape.
He advised her he wasn’t on the bridge that day, so perhaps her worries were relieved somewhat.

Still… as the years passed by and no one got arrested did she have an inkling that just maybe he’s BG? A gut feeling- tugging at you every day. I am sure his behavior changed after the double murder of Abby and Libby. We know he changed his appearance after the murders. I suspect she ignored the red flags, did she ignore intuition?

He’s arrested and then when the confessions start she didnt want any part of it. She had been able to put her head in the sand for years

When the BG video came out, she probably did recognize the clothes, body size, etc. He more than likely admitted that he was there, but that video wasn't him. She knew not to make him angry and wanted him to report that he was on the trails. He reluctantly did. The confusing thing is that the BG image clearly shows the railroad trestles. If she saw the image and recognized it as RA, she had to have been suspicious since Feb 2017. Definitely had her head in the sand for years.

In addition, quite revealing that he’s able to provide such detail about the young girls he saw on the trails that day. He’s a very disturbed evil monster who is exactly where he needs to be.

I believe he remembers them so well because he was scoping out potential victims. He may have been hoping they would come back towards the bridge and was waiting. He didn't seem to mention seeing BB when she saw him.

 

[Tapeartree]

…and ends it with an I love you. The cherry on top of the BS cake he’s feeding her.

Yes, it was interesting to watch him in action. If anyone thought this man was being railroaded ( no pun) over being the murderer, this Oct 26 video should change their minds. He is a real master manipulator, and it's on full display.

 

[Megnut]

Yes, it was interesting to watch him in action. If anyone thought this man was being railroaded ( no pun) over being the murderer, this Oct 26 video should change their minds. He is a real master manipulator, and it's on full display.

"Master" manipulator, I think you mean. Mediocre, really.

He only had to convince one, and she was primed to believe him because it was better then the alternative.

Even after he was incarcerated, he confesses and she asks no follow up questions. Calculated ignorance, IMO.

She preferred not knowing.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

I think she asked him "is that you on the bridge?"
He said "No" he was on the trail and sat on a bench to explain.
And that is why he added that to his story because once he said it to KA he had to repeat it, and it was false like everything else he tried to employ to get himself off the bridge.

 

[sunspun]

My perspective and matter of opinion:


When the BG video came out I suspected that KA recognized RA by sight, voice, and body shape.
He advised her he wasn’t on the bridge that day, so perhaps her worries were relieved somewhat.

Still… as the years passed by and no one got arrested did she have an inkling that just maybe he’s BG? A gut feeling- tugging at you every day. I am sure his behavior changed after the double murder of Abby and Libby. We know he changed his appearance after the murders. I suspect she ignored the red flags, did she ignore intuition?

He’s arrested and then when the confessions start she didnt want any part of it. She had been able to put her head in the sand for years.

In the linked footage (timestamp begins:14:40 - 18:00) RA, stated I killed Abby and Libby. Her response is "no, you didnt.” I believe she realized her life would never be the same again - she didnt want any of that, she’s in full denial at this point, telling him no, you didnt. Stop talking...They are screwing with you there… they messed up your meds or something there… they are messing with you. They are messing with your mind. They’ve done something to your food or they’ve done something to your neck. Dont talk anymore. Okay.

Why in the world would she not allow him to be honest and let him speak?

It very strange the conversations between them. Child wanting mother’s love? Acceptance? I dont understand it. It was exhausting to listen to and disgusting at the same time.

He needs her to listen to him and she’s not having any of it. I believe we may have gotten more details from RA if she would have listened and let him talk. Instead, she only cared about her security and what was best for her. That’s what it looked like to me. Some people can really be selfish.

Really disappointed and believe that the families of Abby and Libby suffered more because this family wanted to keep RA’s secret, because they knew he was BG from the video, imo. Curious why the daughter isn’t mentioned much. Of course I may have missed it.

After watching and listening to RA in the recently released videos, someone like me that doesnt know him recognized Richard Allen as BG (the person on the bridge) by his voice and body shape. Heck, I recognized his body shape from one of the previous jail clips. She didnt recognize his clothes, either?


In addition, quite revealing that he’s able to provide such detail about the young girls he saw on the trails that day. He’s a very disturbed evil monster who is exactly where he needs to be.

I found her replies really strange when he was trying to confess to her on the phone. She says, "they're messing with you or your meds" (paraphrasing)... But if that was what she thought, she should have been asking him things like, have they changed your meds recently, and has someone come to talk to you or pulled you out of your cell to go meet anyone, and have those policemen been to see you, what did they say to you, what does the therapist tell you when you talk to her, do you still get to see the therapist, etc etc...

If she really thought he was confessing because "they were messing with him", she should be wanting to find out if "they" had any opportunity to mess with him or if there'd been any changes to his meds or if people had been talking to him ("brainwashing" him). Maybe that sneaky therapist used hypnosis on him to make him say these things! Surely his wife would want to dig deeper and find out everything she could about what they might be doing to him there in that jail to make him say these awful things!

But she doesn't ask for any more info. She doesn't really think that, IMO. She just wants to change the subject ASAP.

 

[katydid23]

Assault on south side, clothes removed, hears/sees the van, panics, allows one to redress in the others clothes & throws the rest in the creek as they cross. Likely the only thing which occurred on the north side was the taking of lives & attempt to conceal the girls. Is that what you’re more or less thinking?

I could be wrong, but I always imagined that Libby threw some of the clothes in the creek, as a clue---hoping her father would come looking for them, and see the clothes.

 

[katydid23]

Well said @justtrish
I do joke around about the LE missteps, but each and every one of them poured their heart and soul into the investigation. They are human, made some mistakes, owned them, and pressed on. And they got the job done! They got the right guy. He’s where he belongs now, behind bars, and after he eventually exhausts his legal recourse, he will be there until he leaves.. in a pine box.

jmo

I think all of us who've worked in schools, hospitals, business offices, etc, know how easy it is for some little slip up , some little detail, to mess things up, in spite of how hard everyone is working.

You look back on it and it's frustrating because it creates chaos sometimes in spite of best intentions.

 

[Boxer]

My perspective and matter of opinion:


When the BG video came out I suspected that KA recognized RA by sight, voice, and body shape.
He advised her he wasn’t on the bridge that day, so perhaps her worries were relieved somewhat.

Still… as the years passed by and no one got arrested did she have an inkling that just maybe he’s BG? A gut feeling- tugging at you every day. I am sure his behavior changed after the double murder of Abby and Libby. We know he changed his appearance after the murders. I suspect she ignored the red flags, did she ignore intuition?

He’s arrested and then when the confessions start she didnt want any part of it. She had been able to put her head in the sand for years.

In the linked footage (timestamp begins:14:40 - 18:00) RA, stated I killed Abby and Libby. Her response is "no, you didnt.” I believe she realized her life would never be the same again - she didnt want any of that, she’s in full denial at this point, telling him no, you didnt. Stop talking...They are screwing with you there… they messed up your meds or something there… they are messing with you. They are messing with your mind. They’ve done something to your food or they’ve done something to your neck. Dont talk anymore. Okay.

Why in the world would she not allow him to be honest and let him speak?

It very strange the conversations between them. Child wanting mother’s love? Acceptance? I dont understand it. It was exhausting to listen to and disgusting at the same time.

He needs her to listen to him and she’s not having any of it. I believe we may have gotten more details from RA if she would have listened and let him talk. Instead, she only cared about her security and what was best for her. That’s what it looked like to me. Some people can really be selfish.

Really disappointed and believe that the families of Abby and Libby suffered more because this family wanted to keep RA’s secret, because they knew he was BG from the video, imo. Curious why the daughter isn’t mentioned much. Of course I may have missed it.

After watching and listening to RA in the recently released videos, someone like me that doesnt know him recognized Richard Allen as BG (the person on the bridge) by his voice and body shape. Heck, I recognized his body shape from one of the previous jail clips. She didnt recognize his clothes, either?


In addition, quite revealing that he’s able to provide such detail about the young girls he saw on the trails that day. He’s a very disturbed evil monster who is exactly where he needs to be.

Its strange that over the years Carter and Ives said things that were true.
Carter at the 2019 PC at Canal Park says the suspect is close by, maybe listening, maybe even in the room of the Canal Center, which is only 1760 ft. Across an open field from the Sav a Lot.
He also said someone knows this man, his mannerism - we will protect you. Someone did, but denied it away.
RA said wasn't on the bridge, he went to the police...

Robert Ives said an old fashioned investigation would solve the case in weeks, and its true, had the detective team personally reviewed the original records of incoming tips from face to face interviews, they would have zeroed in on RA, after meeting with DD 2/18/2017.

 

[snarast]

Its strange that over the years Carter and Ives said things that were true.
Carter at the 2019 PC at Canal Park says the suspect is close by, maybe listening, maybe even in the room of the Canal Center, which is only 1760 ft. Across an open field from the Sav a Lot.
He also said someone knows this man, his mannerism - we will protect you. Someone did, but denied it away.
RA said wasn't on the bridge, he went to the police...

Robert Ives said an old fashioned investigation would solve the case in weeks, and its true, had the detective team personally reviewed the original records of incoming tips from face to face interviews, they would have zeroed in on RA, after meeting with DD 2/18/2017.

I thought so too at first, but reflecting on the situation made me realise that in the midst of Ron Logan, KAK and hunting for fingerprints, shell casings and DNA - it’s probably hard to take a step back and scrutinise an old box with notes.

Thank God for the lasting dedication of the Delphi LE - and the eagle eyes of Kathy Shank.