GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

Today the Indiana State Police announced it gave commendation awards to several troopers who worked on the Delphi Murders Case. That includes First Sergeant Christopher Cecil, Detective David Vido and Lt. Jerry Holeman.

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Holeman was the lead detective for the Indiana State Police on the case and was the one who ultimately arrested Richard Allen after a tense interrogation. Cecil was State Police's expert on the cell phone extraction data from Libby German's cell phone.

Vido was the detective who conducted the search of Allen's home and testified about it in court.

The agency also recognized Master Trooper Brian Harshman. Harshman testified about the phone calls Allen made to his wife where he confessed to the murders. He said he listened through thousands of hours of calls from Richard Allen.

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The case and guilty verdict is highly controversial with many convinced of Allen's guilt and many convinced of his innocence. The verdict is being appealed and is making its way through the Indiana Court of Appeals.

 
Today the Indiana State Police announced it gave commendation awards to several troopers who worked on the Delphi Murders Case. That includes First Sergeant Christopher Cecil, Detective David Vido and Lt. Jerry Holeman.

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Holeman was the lead detective for the Indiana State Police on the case and was the one who ultimately arrested Richard Allen after a tense interrogation. Cecil was State Police's expert on the cell phone extraction data from Libby German's cell phone.

Vido was the detective who conducted the search of Allen's home and testified about it in court.

The agency also recognized Master Trooper Brian Harshman. Harshman testified about the phone calls Allen made to his wife where he confessed to the murders. He said he listened through thousands of hours of calls from Richard Allen.

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The case and guilty verdict is highly controversial with many convinced of Allen's guilt and many convinced of his innocence. The verdict is being appealed and is making its way through the Indiana Court of Appeals.

MOO the honor belongs to CPS Det.Ret. Kathy Shank and no other.
 
I think if the evidence placing Richard Allen at the scene of the crime was fingerprint evidence, there would be more confidence in the verdict. It is concerning that the defense submitted photograph exhibits trying to show the toolmark evidence matching identification was wrong (in their opinion).

It is also unfortunate that there was not a fresh layer of snow on February 13th, 2017. Then maybe the aerial pictures of the Hoosier Harvest store field area might show a path of someone walking behind the Hoosier Harvest store back to old CPS building where Richard Allen had his car parked. In the first interrogation with police, I thought I heard Richard Allen say he knows the person referred to as flannel shirt guy. If Richard Allen did take the trails back to his car at some point, he would have to not be seen by flannel shirt guy.

When police searched Richard Allen's 2016 Ford Focus, did they find any of Richard Allen's sunglasses inside? It seemed like Richard Allen liked to wear sunglasses on sunny days when he went out to the park.

The exhibit showing the jacket does not show it having snaps. In the bridge guy picture, I think it is clear that the bridge guy is wearing a jacket held together by snaps and not a zipper. But if the clothing Richard Allen was wearing after the crime was muddy and bloody, he probably got rid of that jacket.

After seeing the toolmark evidence exhibits, if the matching ejector toolmark evidence is good reliable evidence that matches the unspent cartridge from the gun LE took from Richard Allen's home, then I agree Richard Allen is the killer.
 
RA’s supporters will dwindle while he sits in prison for the murder of Abby & Libby. they will lose grip on their theories, get tired from gnashing their teeth, and move on. why? i believe the contrarians on the internet see the guilt for the most part, just don’t want to admit how wrong they were.
I was wrong. I thought it would be someone more mobile like a truck driver who committed the crime.

I still look at the picture of Richard Allen and it does not seem like LE arrested the right person. But evidence that places someone at the scene of the crime is very difficult evidence to refute.
 
So, so true. So, so demented.

Bet he shocked himself, that he'd actually done it.

Because until that day, he'd only wanted to.

JMO
bbm
I don't know, if he not already got away with murdering two girls (or maybe respectively one at other locations) .............
KA wouldn't want to remember, whether one day in the past "her man" was travelling somewhere, where girls got missing/murdered at the same time. I can imagine, he even told his wife, that he was present at a location, which became a headline in the news outside IN afterwards. KA certainly was the only one, who would listen to him and believe his innocence, when he felt like chatting about his experiences (always a hair's breadth from the truth). "Not on the bridge" or "not at the lake" - and KA would have taken his babble as a given true fact and start the next cheerful visit to the Delphi pub with her husband.

Thinking of the Allen's pub visits to have over 5 years a beer with the grandparents of the murdered girl Libby, makes me vomit, again and again.
MOO
 
I have never seen so many people real people, so closely involved with a case, that looked "just like the suspect sketch".
I was wrong. I thought it would be someone more mobile like a truck driver who committed the crime.

I still look at the picture of Richard Allen and it does not seem like LE arrested the right person. But evidence that places someone at the scene of the crime is very difficult evidence to refute.

The cat toy looks out of place and creepy in this workspace. I wonder its significance.
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Today we received some of the exhibits we requested from the Delphi Murders Trial including the photos of the search of Richard Allen's home. Prosecutor McLeland described it as the "Bridge Guy" starter kit.

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I think if the evidence placing Richard Allen at the scene of the crime was fingerprint evidence, there would be more confidence in the verdict. It is concerning that the defense submitted photograph exhibits trying to show the toolmark evidence matching identification was wrong (in their opinion).

It is also unfortunate that there was not a fresh layer of snow on February 13th, 2017. Then maybe the aerial pictures of the Hoosier Harvest store field area might show a path of someone walking behind the Hoosier Harvest store back to old CPS building where Richard Allen had his car parked. In the first interrogation with police, I thought I heard Richard Allen say he knows the person referred to as flannel shirt guy. If Richard Allen did take the trails back to his car at some point, he would have to not be seen by flannel shirt guy.

When police searched Richard Allen's 2016 Ford Focus, did they find any of Richard Allen's sunglasses inside? It seemed like Richard Allen liked to wear sunglasses on sunny days when he went out to the park.

The exhibit showing the jacket does not show it having snaps. In the bridge guy picture, I think it is clear that the bridge guy is wearing a jacket held together by snaps and not a zipper. But if the clothing Richard Allen was wearing after the crime was muddy and bloody, he probably got rid of that jacket.

After seeing the toolmark evidence exhibits, if the matching ejector toolmark evidence is good reliable evidence that matches the unspent cartridge from the gun LE took from Richard Allen's home, then I agree Richard Allen is the killer.

Richard Allen confessed to Dr. Wala that after killing the girls' and covering them with branches that he stayed OFF of the trails on the way back to his car so as not to be seen.

Sarah Carbaugh saw him just North of the cemetery on the opposite side of the street (Hoosier Harvest Store side). He was walking hunched over and he didn't make eye contact with her.

In the first interview, October 13, 2022, he told Liggett and Mullin that when he left he saw vehicles at the Farmer's entrance.

"Um, and I remember telling him (Officer Dan Dulin) when I left, I remember there being, I think there was two vehicles down there on that farmer's entrance that I told you about. And that's why I know I didn't park there 'cause obviously I wouldn’t recall seeing cars there if I parked there."

"And like I said, there were a couple vehicles. Um, I may have told him (Officer Dan Dulin) the exact makes. I'm not sure. I just remember one was a, one was like a sedan, and I think maybe one was an SUV. I'm not sure."
 
MOO the honor belongs to CPS Det.Ret. Kathy Shank and no other.
Yes, Kathy Shank, a sharp outstanding hero in all of this.
Also, credit to Sheriff Tobe Leazenby who listened to Ms. Shank's findings and did not let it go, got everything moving from there.
 
I have never seen so many people real people, so closely involved with a case, that looked "just like the suspect sketch".


The cat toy looks out of place and creepy in this workspace. I wonder its significance.
The sketches in this case were so broad in age range and appearance that anyone could be reported to try to fit the sketch. Sketches are important in terms of significance because everyone has an opinion about their significance. Now that the case is over, they did not appear to be significant in making an arrest.

It is not only the unspent cartridge toolmark evidence that linked Richard Allen's gun to the scene of the crime. It is the 60 confessions, one of the most important being the van confession explaining why Abby and Libby were moved across to the other side of the creek. That statement places him at or very close to the scene of the crime. There are also the eyewitness statements as well as Richard Allen's placement on the trail during the time of the murders.

The big details are the ones that mattered. They were the ones that were significant, but I still wonder about the little details like snaps on a jacket, or sunglasses he wore, or the path he took back to his car.
 
"And like I said, there were a couple vehicles. Um, I may have told him (Officer Dan Dulin) the exact makes. I'm not sure. I just remember one was a, one was like a sedan, and I think maybe one was an SUV. I'm not sure." - Richard Allen / October 13, 2022

Isn't it interesting that the cars RA described correspond with BB's and KG's vehicles?

RA mentions after looking at fish on the bridge...

"Walked back and sat on the uh... when you turn around and go down the other fork, there's a bench that overlooks it. Sat there a few minutes then walked down the uh... walked back out and left."

There is a bench which has a straight ahead clear view of the vehicles at the Mears' entrance.

I wonder if RA had already went on the bridge, walked back, sat on that bench and saw BB and KG's vehicles arriving and then he hurried and made his way back to the bridge. BB said he looked at her like he was expecting someone.

BB drove by HHS at 1:46 p.m. to park at the Mears' entrance.
Libby unplugged her phone from KG's car at 1:48 p.m.
KG drove by HHS at 1:49 p.m.

So the timing seems to fit.
 
"And like I said, there were a couple vehicles. Um, I may have told him (Officer Dan Dulin) the exact makes. I'm not sure. I just remember one was a, one was like a sedan, and I think maybe one was an SUV. I'm not sure." - Richard Allen / October 13, 2022

Isn't it interesting that the cars RA described correspond with BB's and KG's vehicles?

RA mentions after looking at fish on the bridge...

"Walked back and sat on the uh... when you turn around and go down the other fork, there's a bench that overlooks it. Sat there a few minutes then walked down the uh... walked back out and left."

There is a bench which has a straight ahead clear view of the vehicles at the Mears' entrance.

I wonder if RA had already went on the bridge, walked back, sat on that bench and saw BB and KG's vehicles arriving and then he hurried and made his way back to the bridge. BB said he looked at her like he was expecting someone.

BB drove by HHS at 1:46 p.m. to park at the Mears' entrance.
Libby unplugged her phone from KG's car at 1:48 p.m.
KG drove by HHS at 1:49 p.m.

So the timing seems to fit.
Everything you mention I think is true concerning the timing. There are also the unspent cartridge evidence and the white van confession along with all this timing.

This post made me realize something about why this case is so confusing. The bench at the 505 trail where it intersects with the 501 trail at the Mears entrance faces away from the parking entrance and overlooks Deer Creek. This is a minor factual error and is not that significant.

The part that is significant is when Richard Allen says this statement about sitting on the 505 bench it probably has to be a lie. Why? Because in order for him to have murdered Abigail Williams and Liberty German after getting off platform 1 he would not have gone back to sit on the bench at the 505 at all. In my opinion, it takes too long walking (5 minutes there to bench and then 5 minutes back to Monon High Bridge). BB's testimony is that she saw Abby and Libby about halfway where she passed them on the 501 trail as they were walking towards the Monon High Bridge where it is assumed Richard Allen was still standing on platform 1.

Or there is a very remote possibility that Richard Allen, after passing Abby and Libby on the 501 trail, walked all the way back to the bench overlooking Deer Creek at the 505 trail start, and after sitting there for only a short time, minute or two, decided to walk back down the 501 trail to quickly cross the Monon High Bridge to catch up to Abby and Libby. This has to be considered since Richard Allen is not in the 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams with the start of the Monon High Bridge in the background.

I could not understand the purpose of the 505 trail bench lie. Why not just tell the police he got off the bridge and walked back to his car and left? The timing really does lock Richard Allen into the timeline based on BB's testimony of him on platform 1. For some reason Richard Allen decided to add that little detail about sitting on the 505 bench to his story. Why?

The only conclusion I can come up with about why Richard Allen told that lie about sitting on that particular 505 bench overlooking Deer Creek is because he thought since it faced away from the main part of the trail no one would ever be able to prove he was not sitting there since the bench is not on the main part of the trail and faces away from the walking path. He thought people would not be able to remember it.
 
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Everything you mention I think is true concerning the timing. There are also the unspent cartridge evidence and the white van confession along with all this timing.

This post made me realize something about why this case is so confusing. The bench at the 505 trail where it intersects with the 501 trail at the Mears entrance faces away from the parking entrance and overlooks Deer Creek. This is a minor factual error and is not that significant.

The part that is significant is when Richard Allen says this statement about sitting on the 505 bench it probably has to be a lie. Why? Because in order for him to have murdered Abigail Williams and Liberty German after getting off platform 1 he would not have gone back to sit on the bench at the 505 at all. In my opinion, it takes too long walking (5 minutes there to bench and then 5 minutes back to Monon High Bridge). BB's testimony is that she saw Abby and Libby about halfway where she passed them on the 501 trail as they were walking towards the Monon High Bridge where it is assumed Richard Allen was still standing on platform 1.

Or there is a very remote possibility that Richard Allen, after passing Abby and Libby on the 501 trail, walked all the way back to the bench overlooking Deer Creek at the 505 trail start, and after sitting there for only a short time, minute or two, decided to walk back down the 501 trail to quickly cross the Monon High Bridge to catch up to Abby and Libby. This has to be considered since Richard Allen is not in the 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams with the start of the Monon High Bridge in the background.

I could not understand the purpose of the 505 trail bench lie. Why not just tell the police he got off the bridge and walked back to his car and left? The timing really does lock Richard Allen into the timeline based on BB's testimony of him on platform 1. For some reason Richard Allen decided to add that little detail about sitting on the 505 bench to his story. Why?
Because that's how practiced liars lie. Partial truths garner trust.

For years, people debated the images. OBG, YBG, couldn't be the same person, had to be the same person. I think iirc even DC bridge. not to get hung up on the likeness, which should have been a clue but only makes perfect sense in hindsight.

No one claimed to see RA on bridge.

Three juveniles (plus one too young to consider) saw one person (described uniquely by three different girls but never describing three different people) who matched the man in Libby's video, BG. Same with BB and SC, they saw the figure in Libby's video. (Additionally, BB was there earlier -- her first two loops) and the juveniles were there earlier too, and none of them saw BG/RA then.)

RA confessed to being there. Dressed just like BG, his vehicle and the juveniles and BB put him there in the 1:45 pm range. He says he's the guy in the photo -- so long as it's not from the girls' camera (IMO based on his size in the released photo, BK thought they'd no way it came from the camera because HE WOULD HAVE SEEN THE PHONE. He just didn't know how LE stabilized the video and how they isolated the image.) In any case, RA could not provide any sort of alibi to get him off the bridge, and he didn't say HE saw anyone that matched the photo, didn't say HE passed a guy who looked just like him.

There's no great mystery here, unless the fact that it took 5 years to arrest RA, but even that isn't a mystery. He lied to KA, his tip to LE was buried, and no one else knew he was there that day.

The value of that video cannot be discounted.

The juveniles saw BG, BB saw BG and Abby&Libby saw BG. It creates a triangle RA can't get out of.

Why mention the bench? Maybe he did sit there, maybe he didn't. Mostly we know thst he just happens to know where it is and offered it up to account for his time and in a way that seemed credible, how ever irrelevant. He wasn't on the bench when the girls were being murdered.

IMO RA worked hard to tell a tale, had to admit he was there, in a way that made him look harmless, inconsequential. Never saw the girls. But we know he did.

He also didn't want to put himself anywhere near either of the two crime scenes nor the HH road.

We can of course argue about what time BW and his ban drove through, but the confession (only the killer would know) isn't contained in BW's van. The significance is that RA confessed to two crime scenes! No one knew that. No one knew that RA spent 14 minutes or so DTH before moving to the second location. You don't have to believe ANYTHING about BW and his van to see that RA COULD NOT HAVE known there were two stopping points UNLESS HE WAS THERE.

(He's still not telling us what he did for those f o u r t e e n m i n u t e s. With two little girls, forced to disrobe, at gunpoint.)

And why WASN'T RA/BG in the 2:07 photo? He himself answers it. He FOLLOWED THE GIRLS. He had to exit the bridge in order to follow them, had to let them pass him in order to be behind them.

If he was still on Platform 1, they would have waited for him to complete his journey across, whether toward or away from them, and quite possibly abandon their walk-across to steer clear of creepy guy on the bridge.

He may have left Platform 1 in order to follow BB (as a potential victim? As a potential witness?), only to meet Abby & Libby as they approached the bridge.

We'll never know what he may have said but IMO he creeper them out, likely determined he was no threat because he was walking AWAY from them.

He could have said, Nice day for a swim." Creepy.

Could have said "are you girls here alone? It's not safe..."

"Can I take your picture?"
"You remind me of my daughter."
"I'll race you across."

But even saying nothing could have been plenty creepy.

Leering.
Smiling.
Refusing their greeting.

They just had no way of knowing how utterly, inescapably dangerous he was.

If only the bridge had given out under the weight of him. He was HEAVY, carrying the devil on his back.

JMO
 
Everything you mention I think is true concerning the timing. There are also the unspent cartridge evidence and the white van confession along with all this timing.

This post made me realize something about why this case is so confusing. The bench at the 505 trail where it intersects with the 501 trail at the Mears entrance faces away from the parking entrance and overlooks Deer Creek. This is a minor factual error and is not that significant.

The part that is significant is when Richard Allen says this statement about sitting on the 505 bench it probably has to be a lie. Why? Because in order for him to have murdered Abigail Williams and Liberty German after getting off platform 1 he would not have gone back to sit on the bench at the 505 at all. In my opinion, it takes too long walking (5 minutes there to bench and then 5 minutes back to Monon High Bridge). BB's testimony is that she saw Abby and Libby about halfway where she passed them on the 501 trail as they were walking towards the Monon High Bridge where it is assumed Richard Allen was still standing on platform 1.

Or there is a very remote possibility that Richard Allen, after passing Abby and Libby on the 501 trail, walked all the way back to the bench overlooking Deer Creek at the 505 trail start, and after sitting there for only a short time, minute or two, decided to walk back down the 501 trail to quickly cross the Monon High Bridge to catch up to Abby and Libby. This has to be considered since Richard Allen is not in the 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams with the start of the Monon High Bridge in the background.

I could not understand the purpose of the 505 trail bench lie. Why not just tell the police he got off the bridge and walked back to his car and left? The timing really does lock Richard Allen into the timeline based on BB's testimony of him on platform 1. For some reason Richard Allen decided to add that little detail about sitting on the 505 bench to his story. Why?

The only conclusion I can come up with about why Richard Allen told that lie about sitting on that particular 505 bench overlooking Deer Creek is because he thought since it faced away from the main part of the trail no one would ever be able to prove he was not sitting there since the bench is not on the main part of the trail and faces away from the walking path. He thought people would not be able to remember it.

I just checked. You are correct. The bench is facing away from the Mears' entrance. Thanks for the correction.
I do want to point out that he could still easily see the Mears' entrance from that vantage point just by looking over his shoulder. Or by sitting at an angle on the bench with his head turned to either side.

BB would walk the trails on a regular basis.

Per a news report after parking at Mears' entrance, she’d walk to the start of the Monon High Bridge, turn around and go back to the connection and then go partway down another trail, turn around back to the connection and then turn left again to walk to the Freedom Bridge.

He looked at me like he was expecting someone. I felt like he wasn’t looking for me, so I turned around and left." - Blair

BB said his posture indicated that and he turned toward her when she walked up.

I have wondered in the past if BB was the target and Abby and Libby just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

RA said he would walk down the High bridge and walk back, walk down the other trail and walk back.

I have noticed in a lot of the FBI profiles of killers that there seems to be a stressful event preceding the crime. That morning RA had went to check on his mom in Mexico/Peru (because Kathy was concerned) because his mom had recently had hip surgery.
I wonder why he didn't attend lunch with his sister and mom that day. He said, "I wasn't about that." Instead he decided to go drink some beer.

Also, money troubles could possibly be something weighing on him at the time. Jennifer Auger said he called his Benefits manager from CVS on February 13th. She didn't state a specific time. RA also talked about stocks in 2017 and in 2022 related to that day.
 
Yes, Kathy Shank, a sharp outstanding hero in all of this.
Also, credit to Sheriff Tobe Leazenby who listened to Ms. Shank's findings and did not let it go, got everything moving from there.
Just one thing, I think it was the under Sheriff Liggett before he became Sherif (the next month) that she took the material to.
 
Because that's how practiced liars lie. Partial truths garner trust.

For years, people debated the images. OBG, YBG, couldn't be the same person, had to be the same person. I think iirc even DC bridge. not to get hung up on the likeness, which should have been a clue but only makes perfect sense in hindsight.

No one claimed to see RA on bridge.

Three juveniles (plus one too young to consider) saw one person (described uniquely by three different girls but never describing three different people) who matched the man in Libby's video, BG. Same with BB and SC, they saw the figure in Libby's video. (Additionally, BB was there earlier -- her first two loops) and the juveniles were there earlier too, and none of them saw BG/RA then.)

RA confessed to being there. Dressed just like BG, his vehicle and the juveniles and BB put him there in the 1:45 pm range. He says he's the guy in the photo -- so long as it's not from the girls' camera (IMO based on his size in the released photo, BK thought they'd no way it came from the camera because HE WOULD HAVE SEEN THE PHONE. He just didn't know how LE stabilized the video and how they isolated the image.) In any case, RA could not provide any sort of alibi to get him off the bridge, and he didn't say HE saw anyone that matched the photo, didn't say HE passed a guy who looked just like him.

There's no great mystery here, unless the fact that it took 5 years to arrest RA, but even that isn't a mystery. He lied to KA, his tip to LE was buried, and no one else knew he was there that day.

The value of that video cannot be discounted.

The juveniles saw BG, BB saw BG and Abby&Libby saw BG. It creates a triangle RA can't get out of.

Why mention the bench? Maybe he did sit there, maybe he didn't. Mostly we know thst he just happens to know where it is and offered it up to account for his time and in a way that seemed credible, how ever irrelevant. He wasn't on the bench when the girls were being murdered.

IMO RA worked hard to tell a tale, had to admit he was there, in a way that made him look harmless, inconsequential. Never saw the girls. But we know he did.

He also didn't want to put himself anywhere near either of the two crime scenes nor the HH road.

We can of course argue about what time BW and his ban drove through, but the confession (only the killer would know) isn't contained in BW's van. The significance is that RA confessed to two crime scenes! No one knew that. No one knew that RA spent 14 minutes or so DTH before moving to the second location. You don't have to believe ANYTHING about BW and his van to see that RA COULD NOT HAVE known there were two stopping points UNLESS HE WAS THERE.

(He's still not telling us what he did for those f o u r t e e n m i n u t e s. With two little girls, forced to disrobe, at gunpoint.)

And why WASN'T RA/BG in the 2:07 photo? He himself answers it. He FOLLOWED THE GIRLS. He had to exit the bridge in order to follow them, had to let them pass him in order to be behind them.

If he was still on Platform 1, they would have waited for him to complete his journey across, whether toward or away from them, and quite possibly abandon their walk-across to steer clear of creepy guy on the bridge.

He may have left Platform 1 in order to follow BB (as a potential victim? As a potential witness?), only to meet Abby & Libby as they approached the bridge.

We'll never know what he may have said but IMO he creeper them out, likely determined he was no threat because he was walking AWAY from them.

He could have said, Nice day for a swim." Creepy.

Could have said "are you girls here alone? It's not safe..."

"Can I take your picture?"
"You remind me of my daughter."
"I'll race you across."

But even saying nothing could have been plenty creepy.

Leering.
Smiling.
Refusing their greeting.

They just had no way of knowing how utterly, inescapably dangerous he was.

If only the bridge had given out under the weight of him. He was HEAVY, carrying the devil on his back.

JMO
I had the same question about the 14 minutes due to the abduction taking place at around 2:14pm and it probably only taking a few minutes to walk to the edge of Deer Creek before deciding to cross by walking through the water and mud to the other side (if Richard Allen was muddy and bloody).

I got my shoes wet and walked through mud. The one area I could not get the mud out from under was my toenails. I agree the crime scene photos should remain sealed. Even though we will never get to see the crime scene photos of Abby and Libby's feet, I did wonder what their toenails looked like?
 
The cat toy looks out of place and creepy in this workspace. I wonder its significance.
I wondered if a family member of either Abby or Libby recognized it and gasped when they saw it. Hopefully not, but it definitely doesn't look like it belongs in a garage with other "man" stuff.
 

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