GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Megnut]

Here are links to the documents just released to appeals attorneys and the state.
Volume 1 at page 154 starts KA’s interview with LE prior to RA’s arrest.

NonConfidentialSuppExhVol1.pdf.pdf

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NC Exhibits Volume 2 of 15.pdf

drive.google.com

NonConfidentialSuppExhVol3pdf.pdf

drive.google.com

NonConfidentialSuppExhVol4pdf.pdf

drive.google.com

NonConfidentialSuppExhVol5pdf.pdf

drive.google.com

Lord.

You know what rings disingenuous? Abby and Libby's murders was the biggest (worst) thing to happen in/to Delphi and you can't remember if you worked because "it was so long ago" "can't remember yesterday". Forgive me, but that strikes me as a careful (even if unspoken) agreement to purposefully forget that day.

She does remember he was asleep when she got home. From what? His busy day of not killing anyone? Why would he be asleep at 6 pm on a Monday? How convenient for him.

Additionally, she remembered him telling her about the group of girls, recalled the one with long dark hair in particular.

He told her he left the trails because the girls "were weird".

Unsubstantiated, he either offered her no additional explanation or she sought none.

He also wouldn't let her go search for the girls that night because there'd be too many searchers (said no one ever) and that, you could find some evidence and then be accused...

Ricky had an answer for everything but he is far from a good gaslighter.

Not wanting to think your spouse could do something isn't good enough. MOO.

Observation of my own: like many a bad liar, Ricky gives answers that deflect and $1000 says he didn't invent that that day. Anyone living with Ricky had to know that, at a minimum, he was a chronic liar.

And that fact should have raised the alarm bells on Feb 13, that he might not be telling the truth, same as always.

This interview is eye-opening and door-shutting.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

don't know guns but they own three. Two semi automatics and she owned a pearl-handled revolver. P. 168.

Did Ricky brandish his wife's gun to terrify and control two little girls?

And still there's full blind allegiance to him??????

When he is the one who betrayed everyone and everything.

Stupifying.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Wow.

P. 192

* * * *

"Is this your husband?"

No. Because he wouldn't do this.

* * * *

Dodgeball dodge.

Unreal.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

P 199.

Two or three years before this interview, Ricky was committed. FOR. SIX. MONTHS.

If the math maths, was this after the murders? If it was before, no one should have let him out. Guessing he spiraled after.

IMO 2017 Ricky was on a bender FOR POWER.

Wanted to dominate, terrorize and IMO violate... and chose two innocent little girls who couldn't stand up to him because He Had A Gun and took them down with a blade.

He is not a harmless doughy miscreat.

He is the worst of the worst.

They were just little girls...

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Pg 198

Q Did he have violent outbursts, temper tantrums, anger problems?
[...]
A "Mainly when he was drinking".

^He admitted he drank 3 beers and went to the trails and followed Libby and Abby.
It was about power to him. He had his angry beer muscles on. Wanted to SA the girls. Couldn't - got angry. Killed them.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Wow.

P. 192

* * * *

"Is this your husband?"

No. Because he wouldn't do this.

* * * *

Dodgeball dodge.

Unreal.

JMO

I interpreted that to mean “well, looking at him and that picture, he’s a dead ringer for it. So the only thing I’ve got, after years of pondering this, is I don’t think he would do something like that.”

 

[otto]

After watching the Hulu documentary Capturing their Killer, I was convinced that as soon as his wife saw the video and heard "down the hill", she knew that Richard Allen was the murderer. It wasn't anything specific, but more about her reaction to his confessions.

My impression was that each time he confessed, she deliberately portrayed those confessions as caused by depression, being ill-treated in jail, having a mental breakdown. When he told her "I did it", she told him that he was wrong, and treated him as though he was confused or crazy.

She refused to accept his confessions, which opens the question of when she first heard his confession.

 

[shonyakay]

Wow.

P. 192

* * * *

"Is this your husband?"

No. Because he wouldn't do this.

* * * *

Dodgeball dodge.

Unreal.

JMO

It reminds me of RA's response after Mullin asked him if that was him...
"If it was taken with the girl's phone, that's absolutely not.... I mean it is not me, but I have never met these girls before, so even if I thought it looked like me, if it was taken with the girls phone there's no way it could be. I've never met 'em. I've never seen 'em."

 

[shonyakay]

There was talk about animal hairs especially when Tony Kline was being discussed. Some thought the hairs would track back to his dogs., but apparently not.
I’ve been reading the trial transcript intermittently and recently was reading the testimony of the State’s DNA specialist.
It that she talked about different hairs that she was given to examine. She did mention two or three animal hairs. I think they were found on the girls’ clothing. They were apparently of no consequence to the investigation as she had nothing more to say about them.
I know Libby had a new puppy and I think Abby had a cat. Just my guess that the hairs were from those animals.

Speaking of hair.... I just noticed that Richard Allen at some point from the October 13, 2022 interview with Mullin and Liggett to the October 26, 2022 interrogation with Holeman shaved what little bit of head hair he had.

He didn't shave his beard hair though so it may not mean anything.

 

[shonyakay]

P 199.

Two or three years before this interview, Ricky was committed. FOR. SIX. MONTHS.

If the math maths, was this after the murders? If it was before, no one should have let him out. Guessing he spiraled after.

IMO 2017 Ricky was on a bender FOR POWER.

Wanted to dominate, terrorize and IMO violate... and chose two innocent little girls who couldn't stand up to him because He Had A Gun and took them down with a blade.

He is not a harmless doughy miscreat.

He is the worst of the worst.

They were just little girls...

JMO

Yes. It was after. Kathy said 3 years ago. Which would have been 2019. Then she said it was 2 or 3 years ago. So that would be 2019 or 2020. When asked what month all she said was that it was chilly out. That could mean very early in the year or very late in the year imo.

RA told Dr. Wala that he spent a week in a mental facility in 2019.

 

[shonyakay]

After watching the Hulu documentary Capturing their Killer, I was convinced that as soon as his wife saw the video and heard "down the hill", she knew that Richard Allen was the murderer. It wasn't anything specific, but more about her reaction to his confessions.

My impression was that each time he confessed, she deliberately portrayed those confessions as caused by depression, being ill-treated in jail, having a mental breakdown. When he told her "I did it", she told him that he was wrong, and treated him as though he was confused or crazy.

She refused to accept his confessions, which opens the question of when she first heard his confession.

Agreed but remember at one point in one of the prison phone calls Richard asked Kathy, "You know I done this right?" Kathy responded, "Yeah. I don't want to talk about that. I just want to have a good conversation between us."

I was surprised how forthcoming Kathy seemed in the October 13, 2022 interview. It seems she was revealing all of these red flags but was acting so nonchalantly about it. I think she was in denial then and is still in denial based on her comments in the Hulu Doc.
It's weird but I actually feel more sympathetic to her after reading the interview transcript.

 

[shonyakay]

Kathy mentioned Richard Allen owned blue coat(s). Plural. There was only one blue coat that was exhibited during trial. Where are the others?
Where is the blue coat RA was wearing in Kathy's Facebook videos in late 2016 that is a dead ringer for the one Bridge Guy is wearing in Libby's video?

Also, what do you guys think of Richard saying one of his phone's got destroyed by a lawn mower? Was this the 2017 phone that Dulin took the identifying numbers from? If so, how convenient. That phone was never found. Even though many other phones that pre dated and post dated the crimes were found in his home.

 

[shonyakay]

Now we all know why the Defense didn't put Kathy Allen on the stand.

She verified that the Gray Ford 500 was her car that she mainly drove - leaving Richard driving the Black Ford Focus SE hatchback which was captured at 1:27 p.m. arriving at the trails. She verified that when they went to the trails they would park at the abandoned CPS building and walk the gravel path that lead to the Freedom Bridge to enter the trails. She verified that RA owns blue coat(s) and that he gets angry when he drinks beer.

 

[otto]

Agreed but remember at one point in one of the prison phone calls Richard asked Kathy, "You know I done this right?" Kathy responded, "Yeah. I don't want to talk about that. I just want to have a good conversation between us."

I was surprised how forthcoming Kathy seemed in the October 13, 2022 interview. It seems she was revealing all of these red flags but was acting so nonchalantly about it. I think she was in denial then and is still in denial based on her comments in the Hulu Doc.
It's weird but I actually feel more sympathetic to her after reading the interview transcript.

Good point. It may be complete denial. Listening to his voice during police interrogations - I think his voice matches. He uses a higher pitch at times, but not all of the time. He owns clothing similar to those worn by the man on the bridge. People have a unique style of walking, and his wife should recognize that.

I found it strange that her reaction to his confession was to tell him that he's crazy, or there's something wrong with his mind. She wasn't curious to ask him to tell her more, or to explain why he's saying that he killed them. Even if she thinks he's crazy, why not hear him out in order to point out why his statement doesn't make sense?

 

[shonyakay]

Good point. It may be complete denial. Listening to his voice during police interrogations - I think his voice matches. He uses a higher pitch at times, but not all of the time. He owns clothing similar to those worn by the man on the bridge. People have a unique style of walking, and his wife should recognize that.

I found it strange that her reaction to his confession was to tell him that he's crazy, or there's something wrong with his mind. She wasn't curious to ask him to tell her more, or to explain why he's saying that he killed them. Even if she thinks he's crazy, why not hear him out in order to point out why his statement doesn't make sense?

I wonder if she ever seen the actual video clip of BG before trial. If RA was suffering mentally at the time she may not have seen the second sketch presser where a clip of Libby's video was shown.

During their trial coverage, Kevin and Aine said Kathy looked disgusted when the BG video was played in court.

 

[otto]

I wonder if she ever seen the actual video clip of BG before trial. If RA was suffering mentally at the time she may not have seen the second sketch presser where a clip of Libby's video was shown.

During their trial coverage, Kevin and Aine said Kathy looked disgusted when the BG video was played in court.

They both said that she uses facebook, and one of them said it was two hours a day. She must have seen that footage as soon as it was released.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Also, what do you guys think of Richard saying one of his phone's got destroyed by a lawn mower? Was this the 2017 phone that Dulin took the identifying numbers from? If so, how convenient. That phone was never found. Even though many other phones that pre dated and post dated the crimes were found in his home.

Good catch. Maybe her statement was what sent LE looking for that phone when they dug up the firepit in RA’s yard.

New Photo Shows Man Reportedly Arrested in Connection with Delphi Murders as Neighbors React: 'I Would Talk; He Wouldn't Say Much'

A local television station on Saturday published a picture that it says depicts a man currently behind bars in connection with Indiana's Delphi Murders.

lawandcrime.com

 

[steeltowngirl]

I found it strange that her reaction to his confession was to tell him that he's crazy, or there's something wrong with his mind. She wasn't curious to ask him to tell her more, or to explain why he's saying that he killed them. Even if she thinks he's crazy, why not hear him out in order to point out why his statement doesn't make sense?

His defense team knew he was trying to confess in prison. They likely advised KA and JA not to let RA discuss it during phone calls.

Between the guilt eating him up and the gaslighting from his family, it’s no wonder he thought he was going crazy.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

His defense team knew he was trying to confess in prison. They likely advised KA and JA not to let RA discuss it during phone calls.

Between the guilt eating him up and the gaslighting from his family, it’s no wonder he thought he was going crazy.

JMO

This.

Except I don't think he experienced guilt ever.

Panic, yes.

But guilt for what he'd done? No. And he wanted no part of a trial either, IMO. And he never once felt remorse for murdering two little girls, terrifying and abusing and slaughtering them, forever stealing them from their families and from the futures they deserved.

Ricky was only worried about Ricky. He knew the evidence against him, he didn't want his wife and mother to be upset with him. Like some overgrown toddler gnome who needed their affirmation. Next-level codependency. Pathological IMO.

He's in prison now, likely in protective segregation. Eats by himself. Escorted to the shower. Same conditions as pre-trial. No theatrics this time (afaik), no eating his feces. ("I won't do that again.") Where was that drama coming from? Psychosis? Maybe. But not from prison conditions. He was agitating himself, imagining cutting off contact with his wife (control much) (under a false and self righteous play of sacrificing his happiness so she could be free of him) (when it was all still about him -- woe is he -- he couldn't comfort her in her sadness) (that he caused when he decided to murder two little girls and inflamed regularly by telling her he wouldn't be able to talk to her anymore, implying self-harm and suicide) (which is really twisted and extremely manipulative) (and did it IMO to get a "fix" because if she got emotional, it was like a happy pellet for him because that meant she still loved him).

I also wondered if she didn't encode to him from the moment their relationship started. She may have been in convinced more than ever that he encoded to her.

When her brother died and her focus shifted from him, he came unhinged.

He was always on loose hinges, if you ask me. Moved from job to job. Worked at Chrysler (interesting) for able five minutes, left Walmart because of the "beaucracy". Seriously? Oh, do tell us, Ricky. Did you get a talking to?

In any case, there's some acute dysfunction in this story. I wouldn't care if that is how they want their lives to be, but the minute he stepped on that bridge, I do care. He had no right...

May his appeal collapse and may he fade into obscurity yesterday.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

Apparently the appeals clowns are trying to argue that the Odinists fantasy should have been allowed into the trial.
RA’s unethical lawyers had three entire days, pretrial, to show any type of connection to the murders and could not do it. No one, no one, not even their star investigator Todd Click was able to place any of their pagan suspects in Delphi that day. The man testified to it! Under oath! He found no evidence of them in Delphi that day!
This is a farce.

Appeals lawyers with billable hours to the state.