GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Justice101]

Lord.

You know what rings disingenuous? Abby and Libby's murders was the biggest (worst) thing to happen in/to Delphi and you can't remember if you worked because "it was so long ago" "can't remember yesterday". Forgive me, but that strikes me as a careful (even if unspoken) agreement to purposefully forget that day.

She does remember he was asleep when she got home. From what? His busy day of not killing anyone? Why would he be asleep at 6 pm on a Monday? How convenient for him.

Additionally, she remembered him telling her about the group of girls, recalled the one with long dark hair in particular.

He told her he left the trails because the girls "were weird".

Unsubstantiated, he either offered her no additional explanation or she sought none.

He also wouldn't let her go search for the girls that night because there'd be too many searchers (said no one ever) and that, you could find some evidence and then be accused...

Ricky had an answer for everything but he is far from a good gaslighter.

Not wanting to think your spouse could do something isn't good enough. MOO.

Observation of my own: like many a bad liar, Ricky gives answers that deflect and $1000 says he didn't invent that that day. Anyone living with Ricky had to know that, at a minimum, he was a chronic liar.

And that fact should have raised the alarm bells on Feb 13, that he might not be telling the truth, same as always.

This interview is eye-opening and door-shutting.

JMO

I haven't seen the interview but your description of a chronic liar is spot on.

 

[INfisherman]

This.

Except I don't think he experienced guilt ever.

Panic, yes.

But guilt for what he'd done? No. And he wanted no part of a trial either, IMO. And he never once felt remorse for murdering two little girls, terrifying and abusing and slaughtering them, forever stealing them from their families and from the futures they deserved.

Ricky was only worried about Ricky. He knew the evidence against him, he didn't want his wife and mother to be upset with him. Like some overgrown toddler gnome who needed their affirmation. Next-level codependency. Pathological IMO.

He's in prison now, likely in protective segregation. Eats by himself. Escorted to the shower. Same conditions as pre-trial. No theatrics this time (afaik), no eating his feces. ("I won't do that again.") Where was that drama coming from? Psychosis? Maybe. But not from prison conditions. He was agitating himself, imagining cutting off contact with his wife (control much) (under a false and self righteous play of sacrificing his happiness so she could be free of him) (when it was all still about him -- woe is he -- he couldn't comfort her in her sadness) (that he caused when he decided to murder two little girls and inflamed regularly by telling her he wouldn't be able to talk to her anymore, implying self-harm and suicide) (which is really twisted and extremely manipulative) (and did it IMO to get a "fix" because if she got emotional, it was like a happy pellet for him because that meant she still loved him).

I also wondered if she didn't encode to him from the moment their relationship started. She may have been in convinced more than ever that he encoded to her.

When her brother died and her focus shifted from him, he came unhinged.

He was always on loose hinges, if you ask me. Moved from job to job. Worked at Chrysler (interesting) for able five minutes, left Walmart because of the "beaucracy". Seriously? Oh, do tell us, Ricky. Did you get a talking to?

In any case, there's some acute dysfunction in this story. I wouldn't care if that is how they want their lives to be, but the minute he stepped on that bridge, I do care. He had no right...

May his appeal collapse and may he fade into obscurity yesterday.

JMO

The drama, IIRC, was coming from him seeing the discovery for the first time, prior to the 3 ring circus showing up to Westville so the clowns could have their time to sit down with him & his family & properly coach them. He panicked, decided to try & appear crazy, hence the deceptive behavior mentioned during trial by one of the prison’s mental health witnesses.

Yes, as I mentioned weeks ago, our convict worked at Chrysler. Guess whose violent stepson beating, catfisherman’s father worked there as well? That wife’s former neighbor as well. Oh if the dots could’ve only been connected by way of finding all the cell phones during the first searches….

I’m feeling lazy this late fall morning, so JMO, but I seem to recall a former female Walmart coworker describing creepy & inappropriate behavior from our slimy slug in years gone by. It’s a wonder he didn’t slip up & fondly mention that while having his unhelpful anecdotal chat with SM during his first interview.

Yes, the dysfunction runs deep around the fragile egg. Too bad Humpty Ricky didn’t fall off the bridge & couldn’t be put back together again.

MOO

 

[otto]

I watched the interrogations of Richard Allen last night, ending with footage of him with his wife.

She doesn't say much, except that investigators have a bullet matching his gun, and they know he was on the bridge. He repeatedly tells her that "she knows" that he didn't murder the girls. I'm not sure whether she is upset that he murdered the girls, or that there is evidence placing him within inches of their bodies.

She doesn't do what investigators ask of her - which is to encourage him to tell investigators everything he knows and to spare his family the pain and expense of a trial. At that moment, she seems to understand that evidence puts him on the bridge and in the incriminating video.

After this meeting, she refuses to acknowledge that he is guilty and does everything she can to make excuses for his confessions - to more or less shut him down and portray him as mentally ill when he admits guilt. He goes so far as to eat feces to fake mental illness.

 

[Justice101]

I watched the interrogations of Richard Allen last night, ending with footage of him with his wife.

She doesn't say much, except that investigators have a bullet matching his gun, and they know he was on the bridge. He repeatedly tells her that "she knows" that he didn't murder the girls. I'm not sure whether she is upset that he murdered the girls, or that there is evidence placing him within inches of their bodies.

She doesn't do what investigators ask of her - which is to encourage him to tell investigators everything he knows and to spare his family the pain and expense of a trial. At that moment, she seems to understand that evidence puts him on the bridge and in the incriminating video.

After this meeting, she refuses to acknowledge that he is guilty and does everything she can to make excuses for his confessions - to more or less shut him down and portray him as mentally ill when he admits guilt. He goes so far as to eat feces to fake mental illness.

I think she had been manipulated for a long time. She does not want to think that he did this. Only a monster would do this, and although he has lied to me many times, he is not capable of killing 2 girls.

I think that is the conclusion she made and was not terribly objective in her evaluation of the evidence. Doesn't mean she is dumb (or even emotionally overly protective), because when you think you know someone really well, it is really hard to imagine they did what the authorities said they did. For example, imagine your spouse or significant other was accused of a similar atrocity. I can't imagine mine doing that... and I think she was the same. In some ways, we are all similar.

Just my opinion.

We'd like to think we would figure this out, but the longer you have lived with someone, the more you think you know them. Their other side is hidden from view

 

[INfisherman]

I watched the interrogations of Richard Allen last night, ending with footage of him with his wife.

She doesn't say much, except that investigators have a bullet matching his gun, and they know he was on the bridge. He repeatedly tells her that "she knows" that he didn't murder the girls. I'm not sure whether she is upset that he murdered the girls, or that there is evidence placing him within inches of their bodies.

She doesn't do what investigators ask of her - which is to encourage him to tell investigators everything he knows and to spare his family the pain and expense of a trial. At that moment, she seems to understand that evidence puts him on the bridge and in the incriminating video.

After this meeting, she refuses to acknowledge that he is guilty and does everything she can to make excuses for his confessions - to more or less shut him down and portray him as mentally ill when he admits guilt. He goes so far as to eat feces to fake mental illness.

If you missed it, watch it again & listen closely to her whining that she thought he told her that he didn’t go out onto the bridge. She catches him in a lie & he starts to get frustrated & then changes the direction of the conversation with a "you know I love you" or something to that effect. Master manipulator of his own wife. He loves that power trip, it seems.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

I think she had been manipulated for a long time. She does not want to think that he did this. Only a monster would do this, and although he has lied to me many times, he is not capable of killing 2 girls.

I think that is the conclusion she made and was not terribly objective in her evaluation of the evidence. Doesn't mean she is dumb (or even emotionally overly protective), because when you think you know someone really well, it is really hard to imagine they did what the authorities said they did. For example, imagine your spouse or significant other was accused of a similar atrocity. I can't imagine mine doing that... and I think she was the same. In some ways, we are all similar.

Just my opinion.

We'd like to think we would figure this out, but the longer you have lived with someone, the more you think you know them. Their other side is hidden from view

I can see that in certain instances. However, I think most spouses might come to their senses when a picture then video enters the fray. She denied it was her husband because he couldn’t do something like that, then turns around & admits physically the build of the subject could be him & he has clothes which are pretty much the same.

I don’t believe she was ever very honest with herself & what he was capable of doing, especially when alcohol was involved. It was all just a coincidence. Likely for the entire time she’s known him.

Poor, poor, depressed Ricky. He played her like a violin.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Looks like Rick. Dressed like Rick. At the MHB where he said he see was.

But he said he wasn't on the bridge.

So... can't be him.

That's one way not to engage critical thinking.

His refusing to join the search, allow her to search? That wasn't weird at all?

Seems Ricky's female support system remains locked solid. Too bad really. Since he apparently gets the support either way, perhaps he should have been supported in his desire to confess. Save him from acting out, spare him the feces.

That's all he cared about anyway. Not remorse over what he did, but fear his wife and mother would reject him.

Ricky's all wrapped up in Ricky. Ven diagram has only one circle.

And now it's the shape of a prison cell.

129 years to go....

JMO

 

[otto]

If you missed it, watch it again & listen closely to her whining that she thought he told her that he didn’t go out onto the bridge. She catches him in a lie & he starts to get frustrated & then changes the direction of the conversation with a "you know I love you" or something to that effect. Master manipulator of his own wife. He loves that power trip, it seems.

JMO

Investigators were skillful in directing Richard Allen to admit that he was on the bridge. He admitted that he was on the bridge, but only as far as the first platform, and only in the context of his fishing hobby.

Investigators then told him that he admitted being on the bridge, but he objected. He tried to split hairs by saying that he was only on the bridge near one end of the bridge, but investigators said he was on the bridge period. He was wearing what bridge-guy was wearing. He was on the bridge at the same time as bridge guy based on CCTV of his vehicle. A bullet found next to Libby belonged to his gun. A bullet with the same markings was found in a box at his home.

His wife mentioned that he had a holster for his gun and that he wore it on his right.

He seemed to use two tactics to exert some authority over her. One was "you know X, I know you know X is true", meaning he is the authority and she must believe what he tells her to believe. The other was "I love you", to emotionally disarm her.

Another tactic that he probably uses, but which we didn't see in the interview, is that he's depressed and she needs to fix something to make him happy again. When all else fails, he's gets drunk and lashes out.

I'll watch the last part of the interview again ...

 

[shonyakay]

If you missed it, watch it again & listen closely to her whining that she thought he told her that he didn’t go out onto the bridge. She catches him in a lie & he starts to get frustrated & then changes the direction of the conversation with a "you know I love you" or something to that effect. Master manipulator of his own wife. He loves that power trip, it seems.

JMO

KA was standoffish to RA and specifically said to him, "You told me you weren't." (On the Bridge)
When RA said, "Huh?"
She reiterates, "You told me you weren't, so I told them (LE) you weren't."

RA said, "love you baby", with a smirk on his face and a sarcastic tone because KA caught him a lie and she then reiterated it right in front of him again and in full view of LE's camera. Lol.

 

[shonyakay]

Besides the heinous crimes he committed, RA is in prison because Kathy told RA to self report and because of the diligence of KS.

Two women named Kathy was ultimately the downfall of RA who thought he had gotten away with what he had done. If RA hadn't self reported, regardless of KA's motive for wanting RA to self-report, Abby and Libby's killer would still be a free man today.

Did they release the October 26, 2022 interview with KA as well? I am still going through the documents. Holeman says when LE told Kathy what they had on RA (the unspent round etc.) She was hysterical.
In Holeman's opinion KA realized in that interview that RA had lied to her.

 

[shonyakay]

I think she had been manipulated for a long time. She does not want to think that he did this. Only a monster would do this, and although he has lied to me many times, he is not capable of killing 2 girls.

I think that is the conclusion she made and was not terribly objective in her evaluation of the evidence. Doesn't mean she is dumb (or even emotionally overly protective), because when you think you know someone really well, it is really hard to imagine they did what the authorities said they did. For example, imagine your spouse or significant other was accused of a similar atrocity. I can't imagine mine doing that... and I think she was the same. In some ways, we are all similar.

Just my opinion.

We'd like to think we would figure this out, but the longer you have lived with someone, the more you think you know them. Their other side is hidden from view

I agree. What I am getting from KA's interview is that she is unaware of just how bad all of what she is saying makes RA look. How forthcoming she is with his mental health surprised me. I get the sense that she is being honest, albeit naive, because she can't bring herself to believe that he actually did this. Imo she is not intentionally covering for him in this interview so denial definitely fits.

 

[scruffydog]

I agree. What I am getting from KA's interview is that she is unaware of just how bad all of what she is saying makes RA look. How forthcoming she is with his mental health surprised me. I get the sense that she is being honest, albeit naive, because she can't bring herself to believe that he actually did this. Imo she is not intentionally covering for him in this interview so denial definitely fits.

Has she divorced him yet?

 

[otto]

Has she divorced him yet?

She is still declaring that he is innocent, per August 2025 Hulu series Capturing their Killer, so maybe not.

 

[shonyakay]

Has she divorced him yet?

Not that I am aware of.

The last couple of times the public has seen and heard from her she was still supporting him.

When she was leaving the court house after the verdict she said, "This isn't over." RA's family didn't attend the sentencing.
In the Hulu Doc she was still proclaiming his innocence.

I don't know what she believes now.

Does she believe that he did this but still wants to be with him? If so, she should just say that, not proclaim his innocence to make that decision look more favorable.

Or...

Does she believe that he really didn't do this? We can all see how manipulative RA was in the LE interviews and how he appeared to gaslight KA.
It also didn't help that Allen's former defense team was on their Odinism kick misrepresenting the crime / crime scene.

 

[INfisherman]

I agree. What I am getting from KA's interview is that she is unaware of just how bad all of what she is saying makes RA look. How forthcoming she is with his mental health surprised me. I get the sense that she is being honest, albeit naive, because she can't bring herself to believe that he actually did this. Imo she is not intentionally covering for him in this interview so denial definitely fits.

I believe that by the time he was in Westville she knew he was likely the killer. Her demeanor completely changed from the stunned, scared, whimpering & crying wife in 2022 to just an angry woman who would probably say or do anything to support her "man". The clowns had their claws deep into her psyche & likely convinced her they would gain an acquittal.

I feel they are cut from pretty much the same cloth except that she wouldn’t stoop to the same depths her husband did. I do believe they are both very self centered, codependent, lying people & she’s afraid to live her life without him. She had every opportunity to at least question his story or even stand on her own & has failed to do so at each & every turn up to this point in time & AFAIK.

Never were there questions during their recorded phone calls that we heard. It was always someone else messing with him or his meds. Way, way too much sympathy for the devil.

JMO & doesn’t make me correct at all.

 

[shonyakay]

I believe that by the time he was in Westville she knew he was likely the killer. Her demeanor completely changed from the stunned, scared, whimpering & crying wife in 2022 to just an angry woman who would probably say or do anything to support her "man". The clowns had their claws deep into her psyche & likely convinced her they would gain an acquittal.

I feel they are cut from pretty much the same cloth except that she wouldn’t stoop to the same depths her husband did. I do believe they are both very self centered, codependent, lying people & she’s afraid to live her life without him. She had every opportunity to at least question his story or even stand on her own & has failed to do so at each & every turn up to this point in time & AFAIK.

Never were there questions during their recorded phone calls that we heard. It was always someone else messing with him or his meds. Way, way too much sympathy for the devil.

JMO & doesn’t make me correct at all.

Did you see the phone call transcript to his stepdad in April from Westville where RA says that he doesn't know why they are doing this to him and all he can think of is that the sheriff election was coming up? Lol. That clearly shows his manipulative side imo.

To be honest my first impression of that October 26, 2022 Holeman interview was that KA and RA were both "acting."

I just wasn't expecting to read that 13 days earlier KA was admitting to LE about where they would park when they would go to the trails (the CPS building), admitting RA owned blue coats (like BG was wearing), that BG was similar, size wise, to her husband etc.

Don't get me wrong, I still have questions about what KA and other family members knew and when. RA made some concerning comments regarding KA such as inquiring if she was going to be arrested. In prison he was heard saying, "Run, Kathy, Run."
He also told someone that he was thankful that his family didn't give up on him when he killed Abby and Libby.

 

[INfisherman]

Did you see the phone call transcript to his stepdad in April from Westville where RA says that he doesn't know why they are doing this to him and all he can think of is that the sheriff election was coming up? Lol. That clearly shows his manipulative side imo.

To be honest my first impression of that October 26, 2022 Holeman interview was that KA and RA were both "acting."

I just wasn't expecting to read that 13 days earlier KA was admitting to LE about where they would park when they would go to the trails (the CPS building), admitting RA owned blue coats (like BG was wearing), that BG was similar, size wise, to her husband etc.

Don't get me wrong, I still have questions about what KA and other family members knew and when. RA made some concerning comments regarding KA such as inquiring if she was going to be arrested. In prison he was heard saying, "Run, Kathy, Run."
He also told someone that he was thankful that his family didn't give up on him when he killed Abby and Libby.

I’ve not read much of anything in much detail related to this case in a while as far as transcripts & such released to the public.

Nothing surprises me anymore as far as the depths either of them would stoop just to get what they desire. He’s a punk & a snake & evidently she’s incapable of thinking or living for herself.

What an example to set for your kid & grandchild.

JMO

 

[BexLuth0r]

All I've taken from Kathy's interviews is it just further supports him being the killer. Why would an innocent person say dont go and look for the girls because they might pin the crime on you. That makes 0 sense. Also they were only missing then. Not dead.

Again, to all the people online who think he's innocent and they're framing him, he must be so unlucky. His bullet, his timeline, his car, his wife's confirmation they parked at the CPS building multiple times, his conversations with her when the girls were missing, his blue jackets, his missing cellphone. He either did it or the police in Delphi are geniuses because they put together all that evidence to frame him. I've said it so many times, it would have been so much easier for them to frame Ron Logan or the Klines.

He did it. He is where he belongs. I just don't think, after 5 years, he ever thought he would be caught.

 

[Megnut]

All I've taken from Kathy's interviews is it just further supports him being the killer. Why would an innocent person say dont go and look for the girls because they might pin the crime on you. That makes 0 sense. Also they were only missing then. Not dead.

Again, to all the people online who think he's innocent and they're framing him, he must be so unlucky. His bullet, his timeline, his car, his wife's confirmation they parked at the CPS building multiple times, his conversations with her when the girls were missing, his blue jackets, his missing cellphone. He either did it or the police in Delphi are geniuses because they put together all that evidence to frame him. I've said it so many times, it would have been so much easier for them to frame Ron Logan or the Klines.

He did it. He is where he belongs. I just don't think, after 5 years, he ever thought he would be caught.

Rbbm

Wow. That is everything right there.

I'm reminded of BarryMorphew, arrested in the murder of his wife. At the time, everyone else was trying to find her, racking their brains for an explanation for her disappearance, hoping against all hope she'd be found safe. Meanwhile he's offering up all sorts of explanations for why she might never be found.

You're so right! That's a confession right there. Ricky knew a crime had been committed!! As only he could have.

Everyone else was looking to find the girls alive! Maybe injured in an accident. Maybe lost. Maybe truant, skipping off and losing track of time.

Don't go searching for them because you might be accused? Accused of what, Ricky? Yowza.

KA missed it. Like the young man who asks the guru about the meaning of life. The guru points to the expansive universe. The man stares instead at his fingertip. Perspective is everything. The direction you look matters. KA parroted what Ricky said to her that night, apparently looking at it at face value. Too many searchers already and yeah, you don't want to find something and then be accused.

A crazy explanation!! That's not possible UNLESS there's a crime. No one else knew they'd been abducted and slaughtered.

Just like Ricky revealing the detail about BW's van. The point isn't which precise minute it occurred (looking at it wrong) but that Ricky just incriminated himself. Looking at it right. He placed himself exactly at the scene of the crime at the precise time it occurred. THAT is a detailed confession.

So impressed that you caught this one @BexLuth0r ! The subtext in what he said to KA. That the girls were victims of a crime. And he knew it before anyone else did.

If only she would have had the courage to put it all together and turn him in.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Lord.

You know what rings disingenuous? Abby and Libby's murders was the biggest (worst) thing to happen in/to Delphi and you can't remember if you worked because "it was so long ago" "can't remember yesterday". Forgive me, but that strikes me as a careful (even if unspoken) agreement to purposefully forget that day.

She does remember he was asleep when she got home. From what? His busy day of not killing anyone? Why would he be asleep at 6 pm on a Monday? How convenient for him.

Additionally, she remembered him telling her about the group of girls, recalled the one with long dark hair in particular.

He told her he left the trails because the girls "were weird".

Unsubstantiated, he either offered her no additional explanation or she sought none.

He also wouldn't let her go search for the girls that night because there'd be too many searchers (said no one ever) and that, you could find some evidence and then be accused...

Ricky had an answer for everything but he is far from a good gaslighter.

Not wanting to think your spouse could do something isn't good enough. MOO.

Observation of my own: like many a bad liar, Ricky gives answers that deflect and $1000 says he didn't invent that that day. Anyone living with Ricky had to know that, at a minimum, he was a chronic liar.

And that fact should have raised the alarm bells on Feb 13, that he might not be telling the truth, same as always.

This interview is eye-opening and door-shutting.

JMO

Agree. She knew.