4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[Nila Aella]

I'm one of the outliers who don't believe he targeted any of the girls in particular, but thinks he targeted the house, and whoever he came across inside it.

I think for a house in the middle of the night, the lighting wasn't bad, because in the middle floor living room, the neon wall art seems to have been left on. We also don't know if the housemates were in the habit of leaving other lights on for ease of movement. For example, in the house that I live, a small light in the kitchen and the hall light are permanently on to make it easier to get to the loo at night, etc. I think the neon light in the living room, which would have been on his left as he stepped down into that central point right where the surviving roommate's door was, temporarily blinded his vision and meant he didn't see her door was cracked open.

Yesterdays hearing revealed

AJ: footprint found outside DM bedroom.
D claims it is misleading
It is consistent with her statements
Defense has opinions about where the shoeprint should have been located and that it couldn't be located there.
2:14:00

AT
We gave the court photographs of it
misleading statement to the magistrate
This footprint is at the very edge of the door
It is a single shoeprint
To act like that bolsters this witness is really important especially in context of mis-statements of the witness.
2:28:38

JMO

Whatever lights were left on, it seems to have been a fishbowl of a house, if the tabloid photographs taken while forensics teams were inside processing are anything to go by.

The original court documentation seems to imply that after finding Xana and Ethan, the flatmates and their friends didn't investigate further, and that LE were the ones to find the dog unharmed upstairs.

MOO

 

[al66pine]

Amazon Records before Murders. Why 8 Months?

I was curious about the Amazon warrant, and the dates LE was requesting information for. I'm more convinced than ever that the knife was purchased on there, based on the records they wanted about 8 months prior to the murders. Whatever it is, it's going to be related to the murders.

He would have been in the fantasy stage at this point, with a murder plot likely only in its infancy stage. Likely no firm location, target, or plan. He wouldn't be concerned about leaving a trail. The latter period would have been just before and after the murders, perhaps some incriminating pre/post offense stuff (tyvek suit, gloves, cleaning products or something).

The investigating police in Latah County, Idaho, asked the court to order Amazon to provide "detailed customer click activity pertaining to knives and accessories" between March 20 and March 30, 2022, and Nov. 1 through Dec. 6 that same year, the search warrant shows. It appears that the tech company complied with the subsequent court order as it passed information over.

Bryan Kohberger's Internet History Could Provide Case Evidence

Police sought his online shopping records, viewing history, shopping wish list, payment information and emails.

www.newsweek.com

@MassGuy Good point re (likely) timing of beginning of BK's crime fantasies.

I wonder how that fits into his timeline of his application for the PhD program and the uni's acceptance.

IIRC for his bachelor's & master's degrees, he commuted daily, still living at family home. If so, Wash. would be his first time living away from parental home. Ooh, and even better, on his very own, no roommates or housemates.

Yep, spring of 2022 may have been when dreams of the perfect murder began to dance in his head.

His Amazon cart might have filled up quickly. Or maybe no cart, just clicks on "Buy Now."

 

[Kemug]

If he hadn't been caught, I think he would already have killed again.

 

[Nila Aella]

AT on CAST draft and Final CAST:
12 visits to Moscow

AT:
The really BIG deal is that from the records you can see handoffs so you know where the vehicle is going, know whether it is stationary or not, you can know whether its parked looking at a place or not: based on those records they absolutely knew Mr K wasn't around that residence, wasn't parked near the residence, didn't stop and have his phone in a stationary position at that residence: they absolutely knew that that was not what was happening.

JMO

 

[mmeynstyn]

Yesterdays hearing revealed

AJ: footprint found outside DM bedroom.
D claims it is misleading
It is consistent with her statements
Defense has opinions about where the shoeprint should have been located and that it couldn't be located there.
2:14:00

AT
We gave the court photographs of it
misleading statement to the magistrate
This footprint is at the very edge of the door
It is a single shoeprint
To act like that bolsters this witness is really important especially in context of mis-statements of the witness.
2:28:38

JMO

I know the shoe print was in the PCA; however, IMO, it will not come up in the trial. Of course I don't know this for sure; but, I don't recall seeing the type of shoes we were discussing/identifying on this board being listed as items recovered/obtained via any of the searches. Also, if he went full-on Dexter, the tyvex-type coveralls would have covered his shoes.

 

[gitana1]

Currently, there's Naresh Bhatt in the Mamta Bhatt case caught shopping at Walmart for knives and then a different day at another Walmart for cleaning supplies. She hasn't been found and he's scheduled for trial in September. I went to the same school as Eisenhauer and Keepers and have shopped at all three of these stores. It's always crazy when you see a place you are very familiar with on the national news.

Regarding the roommates, one of the things I'm most interested in seeing is what if any text messages were being sent among them that night/early morning. What were they texting to each other and to the victims as this was occurring and in the aftermath. Whatever DM's memory was, we've had hints there are text messages in real time and this might be a window into what was happening that we don't usually have.

General impression after watching the full video from yesterday--this judge seems to have every intention of moving forward with this trial. For example, the advice he gave to the prosecution at the end of the hearing regarding the expert witness reports. He did not speak like a judge who thinks this may not go to trial.
JMO

Where can I find the full video?

I think I watched part of it. The defense was arguing suppression of dna evidence. Claiming it was illegally collected.

She also said two things that sparked my interest and I’m wondering what it’s about and what has been said in response by the state, pundits, etc.: 1) The state conducted many things in “secret”. I’m not sure what she means. 2) The state violated the law by conducting certain searches. I think she was talking about using the genealogy databases? The judge did not challenge that statement. What was she talking about?

TIA!

 

[LinasK]

There are very few cases pertaining to use of IGG as it is such a new forensic tool, there will be others and defence attorneys will be watching this case closely to see how judge rules, IGG will be used by LE with more frequency so this case will be one of the first that really asks the court to rule as to where the expectation of privacy falls and what limits are to be placed on LE if they wish to use IGG.

I don't believe that's true that there are very few. IGG has exploded in use ever since the Golden State Killer was caught. Just went back to Cool Cats link-pg 39. That was 2018. The Golden State Killer Suspect Was Caught Thanks to DNA Info Found Online, Authorities Say Many cold cases including my cousin's murder were solved using it.

 

[LinasK]

One thing I have often wondered about is why most opinions seem to be focused on the intended victims being MM and KG, and what evidence led/leads LE to think they were killed first,
Their appears to be no connection between BK and any of the victims, no stalking according to LE, so why the assumption they were his reason for going to the house,
I also am utterly confused as to why he went back into the house further away from his exit point if he killed MM and KG first, and if he killed XK and EC to get rid of possible witnesses why leave another witness alive, I can only suppose he didn't see her,
I am also very interested in the lighting inside the house, and if the people who discovered the bodies were the ones that opened the upstairs door in the room the dog was in,
So many questions I hope get answered at trial

I think that there were connections and stalking going on that will be revealed at trial. I don't believe he just randomly chose this house and victims.

 

[Nila Aella]

I know the shoe print was in the PCA; however, IMO, it will not come up in the trial. Of course I don't know this for sure; but, I don't recall seeing the type of shoes we were discussing/identifying on this board being listed as items recovered/obtained via any of the searches. Also, if he went full-on Dexter, the tyvex-type coveralls would have covered his shoes.

Both sides mentioned the footprint in this last hearing. Both mentioned it is in the brief.
They recovered shoes/boots (not vans) on the search warrants. Unknown what type of sole they had.
If he covered his shoes, how did he make the print?

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

JMO

 

[Tealgrove]

For me, the clothing & habits at night seems to indicate you may be correct.


It would be nice to know if there were, in fact, any "sloppy" & possibly unsolved murders of any young females in the Pullman &/or Moscow areas or smaller campuses or towns prior to this one, but I do feel you’re likely correct.

JMO

ETA For some reason, I can’t shake the idea that had he not been a POI or caught, this wouldn’t have been his last murder either.

ETA2 locations

Agree 100%.

If he hadn’t been apprehended I am quite sure he would have NEEDED to feel the thrill and exhilaration he probably felt the first time. Another murder or murders would have certainly been on his agenda.

MOO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Both sides mentioned the footprint in this last hearing. Both mentioned it is in the brief.
They recovered shoes/boots (not vans) on the search warrants. Unknown what type of sole they had.
If he covered his shoes, how did he make the print?

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

JMO

Perhaps the individual had another pair of shoes / boots? And switched them post crime? Maybe sometimes people are a little too clever? Or the other foot print may be totally irrelevant to the suspect’s activities and actions? MOO

 

[INfisherman]

Both sides mentioned the footprint in this last hearing. Both mentioned it is in the brief.
They recovered shoes/boots (not vans) on the search warrants. Unknown what type of sole they had.
If he covered his shoes, how did he make the print?

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

JMO

Wouldn’t the weight alone leave an outline of the footwear, possibly with or without the tread pattern?

 

[mmeynstyn]

Both sides mentioned the footprint in this last hearing. Both mentioned it is in the brief.
They recovered shoes/boots (not vans) on the search warrants. Unknown what type of sole they had.
If he covered his shoes, how did he make the print?

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

JMO

JMO, that is why I don't think it will come up in trial. I have not seen/read anything that confirms it was his print. Unless you have a link where it has been confirmed? Another interesting area I look forward to during the trial.

 

[joe jones]

I don't believe that's true that there are very few. IGG has exploded in use ever since the Golden State Killer was caught. Just went back to Cool Cats link-pg 39. That was 2018. The Golden State Killer Suspect Was Caught Thanks to DNA Info Found Online, Authorities Say Many cold cases including my cousin's murder were solved using it.

I meant cases that have challenged it's use, it's methods, what can be expected to be private etc, the courts have not been asked yet to make any rulings pertaining to the use of IGG in any serious way so far, so their is no legal rules surrounding how it can be used,
This is the start of case law surrounding IGG, over time their will be cases that defence and state can argue to support their position relating to IGG,
Every new forensic tool has to have case law written pertaining to it, as it gets challenges in courts a law gets onto the statute and the case from which the law is made is the case that gets cited by other attorneys,
We shall see how over time the courts come to rule on how IGG is used,

 

[mmeynstyn]

Both sides mentioned the footprint in this last hearing. Both mentioned it is in the brief.
They recovered shoes/boots (not vans) on the search warrants. Unknown what type of sole they had.
If he covered his shoes, how did he make the print?

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

JMO

As a follow-up regarding that both sides brought it up during these hearings. JMO, but it is possible that AT brought it up because it was in the PCA and she knows they did not find the shoes with the described treads. She was trying to point out inaccuracies or something in the PCA and was using that as an example, MOO. However, the Prosecution did a good job of saying "the PCA was based on known information at that time." Through the warrants they may not have found the shoes they were looking for. No harm, no foul IMO.

edit: did not find shoes

 

[sunshineray]

I've just been watching the January 23, 2025 hearing (linked below) and I have a question maybe someone can answer.

At around 6:03:28 AT is referencing the FBI's data searches of the sheath DNA. She brings up the DNA searches as being simular to a "tip" or "confidential informant" law. In what way is AT saying those two things (tips or CI's) are relevant or simular to searching for identity from crime scene DNA?

TIA if anyone can explain that for me.

 

[Nila Aella]

Wouldn’t the weight alone leave an outline of the footwear, possibly with or without the tread pattern?

They reported a vans type diamond pattern.
PCA
The detected shoe print showed a diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside the door of D.M.'s bedrroom
JMO

 

[stemkb]

AT: The really BIG deal is that from the records you can see handoffs so you know where the vehicle is going, know whether it is stationary or not, you can know whether its parked looking at a place or not: based on those records they absolutely knew Mr K wasn't around that residence, wasn't parked near the residence, didn't stop and have his phone in a stationary position at that residence: they absolutely knew that that was not what was happening.

Presumably for the duration his 8458 phone was reporting to the network, when he decided to take it with him, or when it was not switched off. AT not once divulged that this phone was manually silenced on the fateful night in question—why should we expect her to be forthcoming and reveal additional occasions now? The fact he crossed the state boarder and visited Moscow "at least" 12 times "late evening and early morning" yet never returned again after date of attack with said phone is cause for further investigation, IMO.

A magistrate agreed.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

He had no idea then he was going to forget the sheath, though.

Ah yes I realise this now, so in his perfect crime he would use the knife, purchased from Amazon, but not leave a single thing at the scene. I guess LE wouldn't have the legal rights or resources to query every single online retailer and physical store as to whether they sold such a knife recently. Maybe he would know that?

 

[schooling]

Yesterdays hearing revealed

AJ: footprint found outside DM bedroom.
D claims it is misleading
It is consistent with her statements
Defense has opinions about where the shoeprint should have been located and that it couldn't be located there.
2:14:00

AT
We gave the court photographs of it
misleading statement to the magistrate
This footprint is at the very edge of the door
It is a single shoeprint
To act like that bolsters this witness is really important especially in context of mis-statements of the witness.
2:28:38

JMO

In the PCA it was stated multiple times that DMs door was closed most of the time the murders were being committed. There were 7 people in the house alive at some point during the carrying out of the murders. 2 killed upstairs. 2 victims and a survivor on the main floor and 1 survivor in the basement. And 1 roaming maniac with a knife. That’s a lot of movement that DM could not have possible accounted for.

And IMO , DM slept with and woke up with BF after she was sure the killer had left.

A footprint outside of the door is not the smoking gun that the defense thinks it is. MOO

Maybe if they put BK on the stand he can’t tell us the route he took through the house when DMs door was closed and why that couldn’t possibly be his footprint.

MOO