4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[mrjitty]

IMO the D did this for a reason.

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briefly bring up I think yesterday the court had talked about privacy rights uh with the IG databases and I certainly want make sure that we we are preserving that argument uh we included it in the briefing we do believe that Americans have privacy interest in the genetics they share with other people and that other people then Place Within These databases so that is not something that we intended to abandon in any way.
JMO

RSBM - IMO there are a couple of problems with ATs argument here.

[However I first note and fully accept there is a constitutional argument to be made here - and one day the highest appeal courts and maybe Congress will weigh in on it.]

1. The idea that BK has standing via someone else who uploaded DNA, merely due to being a close relation is a non starter for me. That is too wide a class to be owed any duty or enforce some right. MOO

2. The idea that "breaching site TOS" = "unconstitutional search" is also fairly wild. Maybe the FBI breached the site TOS so could in theory have some civil liability to the site owners. But that is not a duty owed to other site users, let alone any enforceable constitutional right.

I do think it would be sensible to legislate in these areas, but even then, i fail to see how such a search would ever be unconstitutional unless the Supreme Court ultimately says so.

For me the main fallacy is where is the unreasonable search exactly? A key point of the protection is to stop the police harassing innocent citizens e.g by entering private property without cause to trawl for the killer. But here there is no slippery slope. The only person who was ever going to have their "privacy" violated was the killer.

MOO

 

[Sir_Loin]

I mean he basically left part of the murder weapon at the scene with his DNA on it so there's that!

That’s it in a nutshell really. Can’t explain that one away

 

[iamshadow21]

That’s it in a nutshell really. Can’t explain that one away

Couldn't get RA off that bridge, can't get BK off the knife sheath under a murder victim.

MOO

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Agreed ! I'm sure I read something about his Father trying to find friends for him on his college campus? That was one of the saddest/scariest things I have read about this case. JMO.

Did BK's father accompany him to Pullman before he started school there?! Wow

 

[Megnut]

Did BK's father accompany him to Pullman before he started school there?! Wow

Like it was first day of big boy school, bus number pinned inside his jacket and a note pinned to the outside, "will you be my friend?"

Stunted.

Yet capable of full-grown violence.

Scary combination.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Unfortunately, there are numerous cases in criminal history where individuals have been wrongfully convicted based on false testimonies and coerced confessions. Examples include the West Memphis Three, Mailman and Gillespie, the Central Park Five, among others. It's important to remember that nothing can be definitively ruled out until the murder weapon is found and concrete proof is established. JMO

Yes there are cases of innocent individuals being wrongfully convicted. The Criminal Justice System is not 100% correct all of the time. It's terrible and very unfortunate when it does happen. I am one that believes it works far more often than not, especially with all the advances in today's forensic technologies. I don't see any false or coerced confessions in this case so far.

Lots of things can be ruled out without the actual murder weapon being found, respectfully curious as to what you are referring to as 'concrete proof'? Concrete proof isn't required to find a verdict of Guilty. It's BARD (beyond a reasonable doubt). What I know of this case so far points me to BK's guilt BARD. That is why I'm not nor will be on the jury and just opining on a TC message board.

MOO

 

[Balthazar]

The first big thing was the police asking the public to look for a White Elantra (right model, wrong year set as we now know)

IIRC one was found in Washington state that got ruled out quickly.
In all that snow it could stay a snow a snow bank for months unnoticed.

That Elantra was in Eugene, Oregon.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article270247157.html

Latest Info | White Hyundai Elantra found in Oregon registered out of Colorado

ISP says the white Hyundai Elantra found in Eugene, Ore. is registered to a female owner out of Colorado. Police say the woman is not involved in the murder.

www.krem.com

 

[Sundog]

I think his main aim then was to get his car the heck out of the Pullman and Moscow area. He certainly didn't want everyone and their dog noticing that he had a white Elantra. I don't know why he couldn't do that on his own though. Maybe he just couldn't afford the gas, and he knew dear old dad would pay.

I think they had made plans in advance that BK would return home for the Christmas/winter break which is often about one month and that his father would fly out west to drive across the country with him. This is very common in families of students, including graduate students. Driving across the country alone from the west coast to the east coast is a long trip and good to have someone with you. His father likely had a return ticket and used one leg of the ticket to return to PA at the end of summer when BK started his studies at WSU and used the other leg of the ticket to fly out in December. I don't see this as unusual in any way, it's very common for families to do this. The winter break is usually three to four weeks and students go home for Christmas.

 

[CKS]

None of the articles I've seen ever say it is complete and none say it was partial. IMO the reason for that is likely because it was partial. IF it was on the brass snap as many here claim, there is absolutely no chance it was anything other than a degraded sample having sat on the brass snap for many days after the sheath was found - remember ISL didn't even look at the sheath until 4 or 5 days after the murders.

All, JMO.

All MOO

Didn't the DNA expert Barlow claim the sample was 'partial and ambiguous'?


Just my opinion.

 

[CKS]

It was complete or it wouldn't be 5.37 octillion times more likely to be BK's DNA and AT wouldn't be so scared of it bending over backwards to get it thrown out.

Instead she would write Motion after Motion and depose witness after witness trying to prove the DNA is not reliable or contaminated or planted or only partial or not collected properly or not stored properly or the Idaho States Lab is incompetent and made numerous errors.

2 cents

2 cents

All MOO


AT is not bending over backwards to get it thrown out. Instead, she's bending over backwards to show their work on how they did the testing to shine a light on the DNA.

MOO

 

[ShastaDaisy]

I think they had made plans in advance that BK would return home for the Christmas/winter break which is often about one month and that his father would fly out west to drive across the country with him. This is very common in families of students, including graduate students. Driving across the country alone from the west coast to the east coast is a long trip and good to have someone with you. His father likely had a return ticket and used one leg of the ticket to return to PA at the end of summer when BK started his studies at WSU and used the other leg of the ticket to fly out in December. I don't see this as unusual in any way, it's very common for families to do this. The winter break is usually three to four weeks and students go home for Christmas.

Yes, going home for break is a totally normal thing but if he planned to return why wouldn't BK have made the flight home and back himself? Why involve his father? Why, besides the murders and needing to get the Elantra out of Pullman/Moscow would he need to drive from Washington state to Pennsylvania, especially in winter? 2500 miles is about as long a drive as you could make here in the US, it's not like "home" was on the west coast or somewhere like Montana or Utah. It just strikes me as odd I guess and that's JMO
It also strikes me oddly that there was almost nothing in his apartment but a tv, some books and a bed. I mean maybe that wasn't all but there wasn't even a shower curtain. It's my belief that he did not intend to return to Pullman after the holiday break ended.
Again, MOO
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[iamshadow21]

Yes, going home for break is a totally normal thing but if he planned to return why wouldn't BK have made the flight home and back himself? Why involve his father? Why, besides the murders and needing to get the Elantra out of Pullman/Moscow would he need to drive from Washington state to Pennsylvania, especially in winter? 2500 miles is about as long a drive as you could make here in the US, it's not like "home" was on the west coast or somewhere like Montana or Utah. It just strikes me as odd I guess and that's JMO
It also strikes me oddly that there was almost nothing in his apartment but a tv, some books and a bed. I mean maybe that wasn't all but there wasn't even a shower curtain. It's my belief that he did not intend to return to Pullman after the holiday break ended.
Again, MOO
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I wonder if he used the shower curtain to cover the seat of his car and never got around to replacing it.

MOO

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Is anyone aware if BK's apartment was part of his TA employment package?
Just curious

 

[ShastaDaisy]

I wonder if he used the shower curtain to cover the seat of his car and never got around to replacing it.

MOO

I thought the same thing!

 

[Megnut]

Yes, going home for break is a totally normal thing but if he planned to return why wouldn't BK have made the flight home and back himself? Why involve his father? Why, besides the murders and needing to get the Elantra out of Pullman/Moscow would he need to drive from Washington state to Pennsylvania, especially in winter? 2500 miles is about as long a drive as you could make here in the US, it's not like "home" was on the west coast or somewhere like Montana or Utah. It just strikes me as odd I guess and that's JMO
It also strikes me oddly that there was almost nothing in his apartment but a tv, some books and a bed. I mean maybe that wasn't all but there wasn't even a shower curtain. It's my belief that he did not intend to return to Pullman after the holiday break ended.
Again, MOO
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It has all the appearances of working hard to get his Dodge out of Dodge.

While trying not to draw attention to himself or his reasons.

JMO

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Like it was first day of big boy school, bus number pinned inside his jacket and a note pinned to the outside, "will you be my friend?"

Stunted.

Yet capable of full-grown violence.

Scary combination.

JMO

I think stunted is an even better descriptor than dependent and agreed, very scary

 

[jepop]

I recall that there was an Elantra found somewhere near Eugene Oregon but it was quickly determined that it wasn't the vehicle in question.
When was BK let go from his TA position?
When did he know that he wouldn't be returning as a student or was there any indication that he was going to return for the next semester?
Did his dad know that he had lost his job as a TA or had BK not been informed about the situation before leaving for the road trip to PA?

*Edited to add link for white Elantra found in Eugene

Latest Info | White Hyundai Elantra found in Oregon registered out of Colorado

ISP says the white Hyundai Elantra found in Eugene, Ore. is registered to a female owner out of Colorado. Police say the woman is not involved in the murder.

www.krem.com

Haven't read much about BK in the media but have vague memories of this being dissected on previous threads way back in the day! For some reason I'm remembering 19 Dec as date he received official communication from WSU they were terminating his teaching asst. position. So if I'm remembering right, he would have been in PA. Moo

But there is something reported by, IIRC, News Nation, concerning the issues he was having with students and his professor in November and December and the conclusion many drew was that BK was probably aware his TA position was on tenterhooks by the time he left Pullman. All Moo but the related msm can probably be googled. There might be posters around who have better recall than me. In the back of my head is News Nation and maybe the New York Times published something on this too. It would have been on early 2023 imo, not long after arrest. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

All MOO

Didn't the DNA expert Barlow claim the sample was 'partial and ambiguous'?


Just my opinion.

Absolutely not. She was referring to the sample in another case that was being cited (Hernandez). People keep misinterpreting this for some reason.

Edit: She was apparently referring to the unidentified male DNA in this case.

*addressed later

Pages 12 and 13: https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/...+in+Support+of+Def+Third+Motion+to+Compel.pdf

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Unfortunately, there are numerous cases in criminal history where individuals have been wrongfully convicted based on false testimonies and coerced confessions. Examples include the West Memphis Three, Mailman and Gillespie, the Central Park Five, among others. It's important to remember that nothing can be definitively ruled out until the murder weapon is found and concrete proof is established. JMO

This is true but this case has no indications it involves false testimonies or coerced confessions.
Many guilty people are convicted without finding the murder weapon. Enough evidence has been collected to establish probable cause that led to BK’s arrest and the case will be decided through sworn testimony, cross examination and expert witnesses.

Opinion

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Like it was first day of big boy school, bus number pinned inside his jacket and a note pinned to the outside, "will you be my friend?"

Stunted.

Yet capable of full-grown violence.

Scary combination.

JMO

That would actually be really sad if not for the fact that he (allegedly) murdered 4 students in their beds.

Yes, going home for break is a totally normal thing but if he planned to return why wouldn't BK have made the flight home and back himself? Why involve his father? Why, besides the murders and needing to get the Elantra out of Pullman/Moscow would he need to drive from Washington state to Pennsylvania, especially in winter? 2500 miles is about as long a drive as you could make here in the US, it's not like "home" was on the west coast or somewhere like Montana or Utah. It just strikes me as odd I guess and that's JMO
It also strikes me oddly that there was almost nothing in his apartment but a tv, some books and a bed. I mean maybe that wasn't all but there wasn't even a shower curtain. It's my belief that he did not intend to return to Pullman after the holiday break ended.
Again, MOO
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It could also just be that he isn't a fan of flying. That would make more sense though if he hadn't taken basically his whole life back with him to PA.