Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[girlhasnoname]

I don't know if there was a correct way for the judge to remove RA's attys of choice.

There is a procedurally correct way, but I believe Judge Gull was trying to extend a professional courtesy to R&B. Big mistake on her part IMO.

RA's 6th amendment right guarantees that RA is afforded access to an attorney to represent him, however it does NOT provide him the right to an attorney of his own choosing.

The issue I saw in the SCOIN hearings was that R&B had been emotionally and physically involved in the case for some time and RA wanted them to continue on as his legal counsel over Judge Gull's concerns of their Professional Misconduct.

MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

It was in the motion to exclude confessions.

Here is the article you can find the motion.

“They say Allen “… ‘confessed’ to ‘molesting (those) two young girls and shooting them in the back.’ On another occasion, (Allen) professed his sorrow for molesting Abby, Libby, and others which he specifically named … These facts are known to be falsities, none of which are supported by the autopsy findings by Dr. Roland Kohr as to the cause of death of the girls and unsupported by the absence of any evidence that either one of the girls were sexually assaulted near or before the time of their deaths.”

Richard Allen’s attorneys file motion to suppress ‘confessions’ - Carroll County Comet

Richard Allen’s attorneys have filed a motion to suppress “incriminating statements” allegedly made by their client to inmates and employees at Westville Correctional Facility during his year-long stay there. They say the statements were involuntary, and obtained in violation of their client’s...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Here is the memorandum is support of the motion to suppress to exclude confessions.
Page 10 reveals who he confessed the shooting and the molestation to.

Page 7 answers my question regarding RA's sudden interest in religion/confessions. The companions were communicating with him about his case and praying with him. Companions were not allowed to converse with him nor were they allowed to spread the word to other inmates.

"The inmate companions then spread the "good word" of Allen's "confessions" to inmates in general population at Westville, prompting these inmates to then share the information with their respective family members in public."

_Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant Allen's Motion to Suppress.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[FrostedGlass]

There is a procedurally correct way, but I believe Judge Gull was trying to extend a professional courtesy to R&B. Big mistake on her part IMO.

RA's 6th amendment right guarantees that RA is afforded access to an attorney to represent him, however it does NOT provide him the right to an attorney of his own choosing.

The issue I saw in the SCOIN hearings was that R&B had been emotionally and physically involved in the case for some time and RA wanted them to continue on as his legal counsel over Judge Gull's concerns of their Professional Misconduct.

MOO

"There is a procedurally correct way," = what would that be? Link?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I have a genuine question for people that believe RA’s confessions:

Do you also believe his confession about shooting the girls in the back?

MOO

I believe RA purposely inserted false facts in some confessions after his attorneys and family told him to knock it off.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

"There is a procedurally correct way," = what would that be? Link?

Judge Gull chose to DQ the Defense sua sponte:

• In the U.S. legal system, sua sponte generally refers to a decision made, or action taken, by a judge of his own accord, with no motion or request having been made by any party to the legal action.

Rozzi stated in his refusal to being DQ'd in October, the Defense had no prior notice, no official hearings on the matter in which they could respond or defend their actions.

MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

TODAY’S THE DAY!

Finally we are hopefully going to see justice for Abby and Libby.

Deep breaths everyone!

 

[FrostedGlass]

Judge Gull chose to DQ the Defense sua sponte:

• In the U.S. legal system, sua sponte generally refers to a decision made, or action taken, by a judge of his own accord, with no motion or request having been made by any party to the legal action.

Rozzi stated in his refusal to being DQ'd in October, the Defense had no prior notice, no official hearings on the matter in which they could respond or defend their actions.

MOO

You quoted me and replied there was a procedurally correct way to remove the attys and I asked you what would that be. I have no legal background; I don't understand how your reply answers my question.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Today is the Day, the first step in Justice for Abby & Libby.

 

[Tealgrove]

Just to be clear, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is Jury Selection. This is happening in Fort Wayne. These proceedings are closed to the public and families. Media are permitted access though correct?

The Trial starts on Friday in Delphi. The Jury will be sequestered. The trial runs 6 days per week for 4 weeks.

Once the trial begins, Friday, the trial is open to the public and families.

No live streaming, no real time tweeting, no digital devices are permitted in the courtroom. Reporters are going to have to go “old school” and take notes in order to provide coverage of the trial.

So we won’t hear much probably until end of day.

If any of this is incorrect please feel free to correct any errors.

Thanks all.

 

[arielilane]

The line to watch the first day of jury selection of the #Delphi murders trial started forming outside the Allen County courthouse hours ago in a cold rain. Courthouse doors open at 8. Jury selection begins at 9. #wthr



2799 days after Abby Williams & Libby German were found murdered in #Delphi, the trial for Richard Allen is set to begin. I am in Ft Wayne this morning for #13News coverage of the #Delphi murders trial. Today is Day 1 of jury selection. #WTHR will be at the trial every day.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845766814338306097

 

[Vaderman]

Today is the Day, the first step in Justice for Abby & Libby.

Still holding my breath, bro...

 

[arielilane]

With limited seating for both the media and the public inside the courtroom, people are camped out in front of the Allen County Courthouse here at 4 a.m.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845747647727976899

TODAY: day one of jury selection in Allen County in the case against accused Delphi killer, Richard Allen.In total, 300 potential jurors will be questioned, with the goal of filling the 12-person jury box, plus 4 alternates.The trial is expected to begin Thurs. in Delphi.

 

[Purdue19]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845787376750116902

 

[AugustWest]

DBM

No link

 

[Megnut]

The line to watch the first day of jury selection of the #Delphi murders trial started forming outside the Allen County courthouse hours ago in a cold rain. Courthouse doors open at 8. Jury selection begins at 9. #wthr

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2799 days after Abby Williams & Libby German were found murdered in #Delphi, the trial for Richard Allen is set to begin. I am in Ft Wayne this morning for #13News coverage of the #Delphi murders trial. Today is Day 1 of jury selection. #WTHR will be at the trial every day.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845766814338306097

Why, why, why does the media always show photos of victims and victimizers side by side? RA does not deserve the prestige, and AW and LG deserve better.

They were beautiful, young girls with full lives ahead of them and shouldn't be reduced to how their lives ended.

But RA? That's all he should be remembered for, how their lives ended.

jmo

 

[Jade]

I have a genuine question for people that believe RA’s confessions:

Do you also believe his confession about shooting the girls in the back?

MOO

Yes, that’s his fantasy portion of the crime.

Richard Allen places himself consistently as the perp and the girls dead in all his confessions.

A gun was integral to his controlling the girls clearly his imaginations leading up to this involved the possibility of shooting a girl in the back under some circumstance.

Richard Allen wouldn’t take his gun, rack it, then keep the gun if wasn’t an important accessory.

His replaying his fantasies and/or the actuals out loud is to indulge himself in the crime recreating it variously for his own pleasure with himself always the perp in the end.

The defense says RA is sane so all his talking about murdered minor girls and imaginative ways and motivation for killing them is just who Richard Allen is; a person with perversions that would be considered deviant by society but his defense says is sane for him.



All imo

 

[Vaderman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845787376750116902

Trying to hear it:
"Guys...down the hill"

 

[Purdue19]

his recent mugshot looks the most similar to the sketches, so far...JMO

 

[Yemelyan]

Yes, that’s his fantasy portion of the crime.

Richard Allen places himself consistently as the perp and the girls dead in all his confessions.

A gun was integral to his controlling the girls clearly his imaginations leading up to this involved the possibility of shooting a girl in the back under some circumstance.

Richard Allen wouldn’t take his gun, rack it, then keep the gun if wasn’t an important accessory.

His replaying his fantasies and/or the actuals out loud is to indulge himself in the crime recreating it variously for his own pleasure with himself always the perp in the end.

The defense says RA is sane so all his talking about murdered minor girls and imaginative ways and motivation for killing them is just who Richard Allen is; a person with perversions that would be considered deviant by society but his defense says is sane for him.



All imo

I absolutely agree with this.

In the back of my mind, I also can't 100% discount the possibility that the gun portion of one of the confessions was a case of "telephone" game" by the person who heard. For example, if he said "I pushed the gun into one girl's back" (to control her) but what the hearer later told people was "I shot one girl in the back" out of simple mishearing or just wrong assumptions.

 

[Melted]

Here’s to justice for Libby and Abby.

I truly hope the state has the evidence to convict RA.