Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[Vern]

I think if screams or yelling had been heard anytime, LE wouldn’t have errorously concluded that the two missing girls were not in danger. JMO

Or if the screaming and yelling in the middle of the night (if any) was those who remained overnight .....

Calls for "Abbbbbbyyyyy" or "Libbbbbbbby" ....

 

[TTF14]

What 3rd shoe?

2 Nikes in the Creek and one under Abby where the phone was.

Yes, 2 (in the creek) +1 (under Abby) = 3.

Abby had her own two shoes on her feet.

So, a total of five shoes actually!

As always, JMO.

 

[ClearAhead]

Or if the screaming and yelling in the middle of the night (if any) was those who remained overnight .....

Calls for "Abbbbbbyyyyy" or "Libbbbbbbby" ....

Very true, I surely can imagine there was lots of frantic yelling and screaming out for Libby and Abby happening that day/night. JMO

 

[MiniMoo]

Horizon or Verizon

For those that use Horizon (cell phones) have you ever had significant issues with signal at all no matter where you are located.

I'm starting to form a picture that the signal along the trail and bridge in Delphi is actually strong.

a: Has anyone visited there with their cell phones at all? If so, how did you find the signal?

b: Has the signal on the day the girls disappeared ever been checked to see if there were outages, connection issues or any weaknesses at all?

I suppose I'm wondering whether or not there may have been signal issues on February 13th, 2017, in the Delphi area.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[TTF14]

Horizon

For those that use Horizon (cell phones) have you ever had significant issues with signal at all no matter where you are located.

I'm starting to form a picture that the signal along the trail and bridge in Delphi is actually strong.

a: Has anyone visited there with their cell phones at all? If so, how did you find the signal?

b: Has the signal on the day the girls disappeared ever been checked to see if there were outages, connection issues or any weaknesses at all?

I suppose I'm wondering whether or not there may have been signal issues on February 13th, 2017, in the Delphi area.

JMO MOO JMT

Do you mean Verizon?

 

[photographer4]

"According to McLeland, Allen confessed to details only the killer would know."

But were these in the form of actual confessions, like what we'd traditionally think of as confessions (like the phone calls to family)? Or were these slips he made during in interrogation/interviews (Dulin, Holeman) where he unwittingly gave information only the killer would know? Or is it a combination of both? If it includes "slips," this is to me even more compelling for the P.

I hope the D finds a way to provide a brief but compelling lesson to the jury about false confessions and how often they have led to wrongful imprisonment! MOOOO.

 

[MiniMoo]

Do you mean Verizon?

I thought it was Horizon - could be Verizon.

Verizon.

Put both, but definitely is Verizon as just looked it up.

 

[Warwick7]

Yes, 2 (in the creek) +1 (under Abby) = 3.

Abby had her own two shoes on her feet.

So, a total of five shoes actually!

As always, JMO.

I don't recall Abby had any shoes on or socks for that matter.
Hmmm.....

 

[Warwick7]

"
After passing the bridge, Johns saw a flash of yellow, pink and blue against the otherwise barren February landscape. Libby's tie-dye shirt was caught on branches in the water near the creek's northern bank, Johns testified. The cemetery was farther north, up a hill beyond the creek. Looking toward the Monon High Bridge, "you could see where the rocks and dirt had been disturbed, absolutely," Johns said. He also noted shoeprints his colleague saw during the search."

I just cant remember someone seeing the rocks and dirt disturbed. Wow...

A 'routine' shift and a tie-dye shirt: Delphi murders trial testimony brings new details

Here are the latest live updates from the Delphi murders trial of Richard Allen on Saturday.

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[TTF14]

I don't recall Abby had any shoes on or socks for that matter.
Hmmm.....

OK, well, she did.

Five shoes, four feet.

Something's off.

As always, JMO.

Families testify about Abby, Libby’s last day as Delphi murder trial opens

‘The last thing she said to me was, ‘Grandma, it will be OK.’

www.basedinlafayette.com

Memorandum in Support of Motion for Franks Hearing.pdf

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[ClearAhead]

Over time there’s been substantial discussion about Leazenby’s odd comment. How could a searcher not know he had come upon a violent murder scene? Today that’s answered, the scene was so surreal that upon discovery the two bodies appeared to be mannequins. That’s how our human minds sometimes protect us from initially dealing with horrific and shocking reality. JMO

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County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

It was announced there would be no press conference on the fourth anniversary of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail William, the two middle school students who went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail in 2017 and did not return alive. Questions about the case from both the local...

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Q. In the public domain there have been descriptions of the crime scene, descriptions of items found and the positioning of the bodies. Do you feel there was an excessive number of persons present once it was determined to be a crime scene?

A. Once secured by law enforcement as a crime scene, no. I would surmise that searchers did not immediately know what they had come upon.

 

[katydid23]

I hope the D finds a way to provide a brief but compelling lesson to the jury about false confessions and how often they have led to wrongful imprisonment! MOOOO.

I have heard of many situations where false confessions lead to false imprisonment. Every case I know of had the confessor being interrogated heavily. Or blackmailed or leveraged in some way. Like--'We will arrest your son if you don't confess', kind of thing.

But I have never heard of anyone falsely confessing over 60 times , and while not under interrogation and to dozens and dozens of people. Including parents and spouses.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

There is so much unknown that I hope we finally learn at trial.

For example, if Abby was redressed in Libby's clothes, was this just Libby's jacket or in her pants too? We know that Libby was naked, and her tie-dyed shirt and shoes were found in the river.

Did the girls have defensive wounds?

Do they have a theory on which girl was murdered first?

Years ago, thinking of this case, I would envision Libby telling Abby to "run" -- shocking RA and that was when he reacted, and possible jammed his gun and dislodged the bullet.

Things were not going as planned. I think RA was in a rage when when he put knives to the throats of his victims -- slitting them open.

MOO

I’ve always imagined the killer redressed Abby.
What kind of idiot fires a gun in the commission of a murder where people could hear it?
How did he control the two of them by himself?
IMO

 

[MiniMoo]

Sorry you’ll have to evidence this one for me if you don’t mind.

I’m no fan of true crime YTers full stop. To me they’re all grifters.

But that is quite the accusation and I just don’t recognise it.

I was just thinking the exact same thing and wasn't sure where to begin.

 

[Salah11]

Has anybody got a credible source that states Abby had both trainers on her feet when found?

I consider the Franks motion fiction so please don’t quote that as factual.

Moo

 

[katydid23]

OK, well, she did.

Five shoes, four feet.

Something's off.

As always, JMO.

Families testify about Abby, Libby’s last day as Delphi murder trial opens

‘The last thing she said to me was, ‘Grandma, it will be OK.’

www.basedinlafayette.com

Memorandum in Support of Motion for Franks Hearing.pdf

drive.google.com

What are the five shoes?

I count three shoes. Abby was wearing her own 2 shoes. Libby was not wearing any shoes, and one was found underneath Abby with the phone. And the other was down by the creek, according to everything I've gleaned.

 

[TTF14]

What are the five shoes?

I count three shoes. Abby was wearing her own 2 shoes. Libby was not wearing any shoes, and one was found underneath Abby with the phone. And the other was down by the creek, according to everything I've gleaned.

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[FrostedGlass]

I have heard of many situations where false confessions lead to false imprisonment. Every case I know of had the confessor being interrogated heavily. Or blackmailed or leveraged in some way. Like--'We will arrest your son if you don't confess', kind of thing.

But I have never heard of anyone falsely confessing over 60 times , and while not under interrogation and to dozens and dozens of people. Including parents and spouses.

How many times have we heard a guilty person confessing over 60 times to everyone who would listen? Including talking to himself.

 

[Dhighsmith]

I have heard of many situations where false confessions lead to false imprisonment. Every case I know of had the confessor being interrogated heavily. Or blackmailed or leveraged in some way. Like--'We will arrest your son if you don't confess', kind of thing.

But I have never heard of anyone falsely confessing over 60 times , and while not under interrogation and to dozens and dozens of people. Including parents and spouses.

Agree, the cases I’m aware of involve confessions by innocent individuals is during interrogations. Well known cases that come to mind, Central Park and Memphis suspects confessed to LE but almost immediately recanted their statements.
I’m awaiting specific details on these statements of involvement as the trial proceeds particularly information not made public, only known to the perpetrator.

 

[MiniMoo]

I have heard of many situations where false confessions lead to false imprisonment. Every case I know of had the confessor being interrogated heavily. Or blackmailed or leveraged in some way. Like--'We will arrest your son if you don't confess', kind of thing.

But I have never heard of anyone falsely confessing over 60 times , and while not under interrogation and to dozens and dozens of people. Including parents and spouses.

I can't help but wonder if someone confessing that many times is bound to get some details right and nail certain points, also, under what conditions would a person be over confessing when once is more than enough.

There are only so many ways to be unalived and only so many types of weapons available to commit that unaliving plus I'm sure the type of environment would impact in some way whether accessing a victim, unaliving them or disposing of them.

In addition, I can't help but wonder if that person's confessions were of their own free will with no external influences, in an environment that didn't contribute adversely in anyway and coming from someone with a sound mind or not.

60 confessions is bound to get something right as well as wrong.

JMO MOO JMT