Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[Betty P]

I haven't followed closely in the last couple of years, but is "confession" too strong a word?

Will we hear evidence that the accused knew something about the crime scene that was not released publicly; only known to the killer? That's as good as a confession, without being a confession.

In their opening statement, the prosecution said they would show evidence that, in his confession, RA revealed information known only to LE.

 

[Betty P]

Hey Siri how do I block people?

I'm not Siri, but you can click on the person's profile and see.

 

[Melted]

In their opening statement, the prosecution said they would show evidence that, in his confession, RA revealed information known only to LE.

I’m very curious how this plays out because Richard Allen should have received all of his discovery far before the confessions started.

Moo

 

[Emma Peel]

I don't have any problem if he is allowed to sit in the seats reserved to the defense. But it puts to rest any notion that he is an impartial source in regards to this trial. He is a public mouthpiece for the defense.

I do have a problem when innuendo is spread without fact checking.

Many lawtubers and media attendees reported/tweeted the same incomplete info about the unknown hair find that Baldwin mentioned ... at that mid-day break.

I guess I don't understand how those who report the Defense's arguments, evidence, facts at trial ... are now to be labeled "public mouthpieces for the defense". JMHO

 

[ClearAhead]

I think it has legs due to the severity of how poorly he was treated. If that hadn't have occurred I doubt anybody would be questioning his guilt.

He was already charged with two counts of murder by the time he began confessing. So if nobody was questioning his guilt then the confessions will not make him appear any guiltier.

 

[Boxer]

Its happening in more and more trials these days. I'll wager the same problems will occur in the trial of Brian Kohlberg.

Yes. MOO.There needs to be a dedicated Media Bailiff.

 

[zh0r4]

Are transcripts going to be available to buy? If so, when?

 

[Boxer]

I haven't followed closely in the last couple of years, but is "confession" too strong a word?

Will we hear evidence that the accused knew something about the crime scene that was not released publicly; only known to the killer? That's as good as a confession, without being a confession.

Matters if there were details that only killer would know.

 

[Emma Peel]

I’m just going off what I have heard so far about his confessions and his mental state during said confessions.

I have seen first hand how solitary confinement can take the most hardened lifelong criminals (nearly the opposite of Richard Allen) and completely break them in less than a month.

I have also personally suffered a psychotic break with reality, twice. One time I was fully convinced I had been shot in the head even thought I hadn’t had contact with anyone, in my mind I truly believed a biker gang had came and shot me. I ended up laying on the sidewalk without a shadow of a doubt that I had been shot in my head and I was currently dying, going so far as to wish that I could have a chance to say goodbye to my daughter until police and paramedics showed up, they put me in a 8 point restraint and even in the ambulance when the paramedic was trying to give me a shot of whatever calms you down I thought he was part of said biker gang and was there to finish the job.

Needless to say, none of this really happened and if nothing that I said while suffering that psychotic episode should in any way whatsoever be interpreted as reality.

This is why it is so interesting to me that Richard Allen confessed to killing his family, that’s the type of thing I can imagine someone suffering a psychotic episode to say and I am sure at the time that the accusations made against him were weighing extremely heavy on his mind.

Add on to this we know that he was literally eating his own feces and paperwork and smashing his head against the wall it paints the picture of a completely mentally broken man, and nothing said by him during the time he was locked down in solitary confinement having a psychotic break should be taken as truth.

And from the only 2 confessions we heard, which are he shot the girls in the back and buried them in a shallow grave and that he murdered his family, we know that those are NOT true.

Whether he is guilty or not is another story completely. In my opinion, taking the ramblings of a man who’s having a mental breakdown in solitary confinement in a maximum security state prison as evidence is harrowing.

Thanks so much for sharing your personal experience and powerful point of view. I have learned something important thanks to your generous input here.

 

[Arkay]

I’ll never be able to catch up, but need to express how much I want to give a hug to that Mr. Brown who discovered Abby and Libby.

What an extremely traumatic experience that must have been, yet so heroic and gentlemanly of him to have turned away from their nude and torn bodies, after notification to LE.

As to why he thought at first that they were mannequins, IMO that is entirely reasonable. Those poor girls with their throats slit, the exsanguination after lying there all day and a half would have rendered them inhumanly pale, plus they were in awkward positions—- like mannequins .

JMO and that man is a hero.

 

[SouthEnd]

I haven't followed closely in the last couple of years, but is "confession" too strong a word?

Will we hear evidence that the accused knew something about the crime scene that was not released publicly; only known to the killer? That's as good as a confession, without being a confession.

During the 3-day pretrial hearing the word confession was used many times by LE. An example: RA penned a letter to Galipeau, Westville's warden at the time, with a confession.

Indiana State Police investigator says Richard Allen confessed 61 times to Delphi murders

The man accused of killing two Delphi teenagers has confessed more than 60 times to committing the murders, according to an Indiana State Police detective assigned to the case.

www.21alivenews.com

Another example: (rsbm)

Galipeau testified that Allen also confessed committing the murders directly to him during one of the warden’s frequent visits to Allen’s cell block to check on inmates.

“He confessed,” Galipeau told the judge, adding that he never asked Allen about the murders and never told his prison guards to speak with Allen about the charges.

I understand what you mean, there is difference between RA rambling and details coming out of his mouth and an intentional confession, but I would say the above point to the second.

All MOO, we will hear the details soon.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm not Siri, but you can click on the person's profile and see.

I'll confirm that the function works. jmo

 

[susiQ]

It's absolutely crazy the lengths people are having to go to to attend this trial.

No water allowed so the jury can "concentrate".

I've never heard of anything more ridiculous.

Just me and my opinion, but I do find the whole situation extremely inconsiderate of attendees and their general health and well being. Are family members who may have bladder or bowel issues taken into consideration? If they must leave are they allowed to return? Or, are they forced to resort to adult diapers? Sorry to bring that to the conversation but…..

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes. MOO.There needs to be a dedicated Media Bailiff.

Yes. Agree. Good idea.

jmo

 

[TTF14]

I’m just going off what I have heard so far about his confessions and his mental state during said confessions.

I have seen first hand how solitary confinement can take the most hardened lifelong criminals (nearly the opposite of Richard Allen) and completely break them in less than a month.

I have also personally suffered a psychotic break with reality, twice. One time I was fully convinced I had been shot in the head even thought I hadn’t had contact with anyone, in my mind I truly believed a biker gang had came and shot me. I ended up laying on the sidewalk without a shadow of a doubt that I had been shot in my head and I was currently dying, going so far as to wish that I could have a chance to say goodbye to my daughter until police and paramedics showed up, they put me in a 8 point restraint and even in the ambulance when the paramedic was trying to give me a shot of whatever calms you down I thought he was part of said biker gang and was there to finish the job.

Needless to say, none of this really happened and if nothing that I said while suffering that psychotic episode should in any way whatsoever be interpreted as reality.

This is why it is so interesting to me that Richard Allen confessed to killing his family, that’s the type of thing I can imagine someone suffering a psychotic episode to say and I am sure at the time that the accusations made against him were weighing extremely heavy on his mind.

Add on to this we know that he was literally eating his own feces and paperwork and smashing his head against the wall it paints the picture of a completely mentally broken man, and nothing said by him during the time he was locked down in solitary confinement having a psychotic break should be taken as truth.

And from the only 2 confessions we heard, which are he shot the girls in the back and buried them in a shallow grave and that he murdered his family, we know that those are NOT true.

Whether he is guilty or not is another story completely. In my opinion, taking the ramblings of a man who’s having a mental breakdown in solitary confinement in a maximum security state prison as evidence is harrowing.

I so admire your vulnerability in sharing your personal story. I'm glad to see you on the other side.

This makes me wonder about voir dire....anyone know if any questions about experience with psychosis were asked of the jurors?

As always, JMO.

 

[SouthEnd]

Many lawtubers and media attendees reported/tweeted the same incomplete info about the unknown hair find that Baldwin mentioned ... at that mid-day break.

I guess I don't understand how those who report the Defense's arguments, evidence, facts at trial ... are now to be labeled "public mouthpieces for the defense". JMHO

In theory, I agree, but re: BM - are you aware of the leaked messages of the Due process gang?

That was a group including some youtubers and lawyers who had represented the DT in the SCOIN hearing, and BM. They were discussing how to present insider info to the public, and how to potentially sleuth the jurors, alongside other matters that in my opinion, are unlawful in nature.

Leaked group chat reveals defense team strategies in Delphi murders case

The cohosts of "The Murder Sheet Podcast" told I-Team 8 they were given thousands of messages from the group chat.

www.wishtv.com

In summary, I don't care if you are pro-D or pro-P in any case I follow. Some of the media I follow I disagree with their POV entirely but I find fascinating. My hangup with BM is the potential PR spin that was directly connected to the DT, the insider gaming, if you will. Hope this makes sense?

All MOO

 

[SouthEnd]

Yes. Agree. Good idea.

jmo

The MS say there is such a person, only JG keeps interfering with that person's decisions. From The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: One Last Pre-Trial Hearing

 

[otto]

Why in the world would guests of the defense team not be allowed to view the exhibits of evidence?

Are podcast and influencer defence-guests asking for access to evidence presented during trial testimony, where the jury is sequestered, even though traditional media has been turned away (no cameras or digital devices)?

The Judge has ruled in favour of media silence throughout this trial; other than old fashioned pencil and paper crime story journalists and artists. After verdict, evidence will probably be made available to journalists. Podcasters will continue to find evidence photos through news outlets.

 

[TTF14]

This may be a dumb question, but why would the exhibits be under such strict lock and key to the people who were already in the courtroom to see it presented in the first place? They have already seen it once, right? Why so strict about them getting a closer look?

I've never seen this in a trial so maybe I'm missing something. I said it might be a dumb question.

As always, JMO.

 

[Dhighsmith]

Let me try this again.

Abby was wearing her own two shoes on her own two feet. That's 2 shoes.

One of Libby's shoes was found under Abby's body. That's 1 shoe.

Today's article from WishTV said that Jake Johns found Libby's T-shirt and a pair of black Nikes. A pair means two. The same article also said the jury was shown a photograph of the shoes. Plural. More than one. That's 2 shoes.

2 (Abby's shoes on Abby's feet) + 1 (Libby's shoe under Abby) + 2 (pair of Nikes found in creek) = A total of 5 shoes.

5 shoes. 4 feet.

As always, JMO.

I've read some news articles and haven't seen any mention of 5 shoes found at the crime scene.

There's only a mention of a pair of black Nike shoes, which belonged to Libby.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 2 testimonies

Day 2 of the Delphi Murders trial begins at 9 a.m. Saturday. Follow WISH-TV's live blog for the latest updates from the courtroom.

wishtv.com

I'll reach a final conclusion when I've seen a list from LE of the items found at the crime scene.

It’s early in the trial, I’m also waiting on evidence admitted during trial, media have been known to misspeak on information whether from misinterpretation or a simple typo/grammatical error.