Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[arielilane]

Hi, I have been wondering about a match on the voice. Is that a fact? Do you know where I can find that info?

I have been searching here and everywhere and there is so little solid information I can find. I am wondering if RA’s computers and other devices were seized and searched? And if not, why? (I heard a rumor that they were not).

Re: The voice can be matched!

Sheryl Mac McCollum did not address the comment made on the 10/19/2024 X post.

 

[ClearAhead]

Around 52:26 Lawyer Lee mentions something that she found as being a really unusual question by the Defense although it was argued as being outside the scope and sustained.

Baldwin: "And are there feral animals and coyotes in that area?"

I'd be curious to know why it was asked and what it implied as well.

Not sure if it can be introduced to the trial in a different way as it progresses, but would sure like to know why it was brought up.

Are there any Defense Attorneys here that could shed some light on that at all?

JMO JMT MOO

According to MS they believe the insinuation by the D is that if the girls’ bodies were at that same location all night long, why weren’t there any indications of being mauled or preyed upon by wild animals.

My answer to that would be because the search activity would’ve scared any predators, such as coyotes, away from the area. MOO

 

[arielilane]

If someone is holding a gun to your head, are you screaming? If someone is holding a gun to your best friends head, are you screaming?

Once the stabbing begins and you are in total shock already from the kidnapping, letting out an actual scream probably never happens. I have my doubts that any real screaming was allowed to happen. They were both slit at the neck. That may have been the first wounds, which would have silenced them both quickly.

BG has L stripped naked, as he holds the gun to A's head, which forces L to comply. Then BG suddenly slits A's throat, shocking L, who starts to run, but he catches her from behind and slits her throat. So from then on, he can continue his violence, but no one is screaming. IMO

Unfortunately, a probable scenario. jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Around 52:26 Lawyer Lee mentions something that she found as being a really unusual question by the Defense although it was argued as being outside the scope and sustained.

Baldwin: "And are there feral animals and coyotes in that area?"

I'd be curious to know why it was asked and what it implied as well.

Not sure if it can be introduced to the trial in a different way as it progresses, but would sure like to know why it was brought up.

Are there any Defense Attorneys here that could shed some light on that at all?

JMO JMT MOO

In the search warrant for Ronald Logan’s property, bullet point 8 says “during the processing of the crime scene, investigators located unknown fibers and unidentified hairs which may later be used for comparison of similar fibers or hairs.”

So there may be hairs or fibers recovered from Allen’s home that are consistent with ones found at the crime scene.

Pointing to wild animals may be an attempt to explain any foreign hairs by giving them an innocent explanation.

 

[Simply Southern]

The Constitution doesn't exist in a vacuum. Caselaw expands on its meaning.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt1-9-1/ALDE_00000395/#:~:text=First%20Amendment%3A,for%20a%20redress%20of%20grievances.

From above:

See also:

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep297/usrep297233/usrep297233.pdf

The outcry is not about the exhibits being excluded in their entirety, because they are being offered for view. The issue has to do with credentialed media vs. general public.

I've not heard public out cry, it's the podcasters making a big deal. It appears to me, the podcasters want/seek the same privileges as credential media journalist.

MOO...I don't think podcasters will be considered media journalist. I posted the credentialing handbook, earlier. Every podcast I've viewed, which is very few, provide a disclaimer, for entertainment purposes only. I've not encountered any true journalist in the podcast profession, seems they all claim for entertainment to prevent accountability, protection from false claims and slander.

I checked Indiana, several other states and the White House. Seems there are universal standards. I discovered many organizations that provide credentialing providing guidelines are met.

Moo...

 

[CrocWearer]

Hi Fellow Websleuthers. Well, this trial has been a LONG time coming hasn't it!?

I've been following along from the UK since day one and desperately want justice for Libby & Abby and their loved ones.

A lot of the comments & coverage (I'm a YouTube lawyer watcher too) is about the no live cameras etc and as someone from the UK where we don't have any televised or broadcast trial I feel your pain & what it's showing me is that even the best of reporters & note takers words are open to error and interpretation. It proves why witness accounts are not as reliable as you might think.

On the info coming out at trial itself, I don't believe for a single second that the girls were taken away & then returned to the place they were taken then dead or alive & then killed.

I've followed hundreds of cases and trials for over a decade, have some criminology & psychology education. I have only rare occasion come across a single living victim being returned 'near to' where they were taken but I just don't believe that any perp would be stupid or brazen enough to return WITH the victims to the initial site.

Without wishing to disparage the local police, I'm not sure I'd jump to the 'multiple perps' assumption based on 2 types of knives used.

 

[SouthEnd]

Around 52:26 Lawyer Lee mentions something that she found as being a really unusual question by the Defense although it was argued as being outside the scope and sustained.

Baldwin: "And are there feral animals and coyotes in that area?"

I'd be curious to know why it was asked and what it implied as well.

Not sure if it can be introduced to the trial in a different way as it progresses, but would sure like to know why it was brought up.

Are there any Defense Attorneys here that could shed some light on that at all?

JMO JMT MOO

IANAL but my two (three in this case) cents:

- If the P claims the phone was activated because of animal activity, the D can say 'but there are no large animals'
- If there was no animal activity on the bodies, they can point out that - hey, there are feral animals, we expected to see animal activity so they must have been killed at a later point, closer to discovery
- Hairs/fibers (like the Nancy Grace - RA's house cat theory), if there were animals then the fur could match

IMO it is a question that lays out groundwork for theories that could benefit the D, no matter how it is answered. I don't see why it would not be permitted.

All MOO

 

[Dhighsmith]

Like many, I have been appalled and haunted by this case for years. Families, friends and community of Abby and Libby waited half a decade for an arrest in the case, then years more for trial.

Now, finally, we're here. I am an inveterate scroll n' roller, but it is difficult to manage in a fast-moving thread with fresh witness testimony and genuine discussion points, and an entire thread-within-a-thread that seems to be focused on the internecine spats between podcasters, etc.

I get that in those wilderness years the spaces where facts weren't had to be kitted out with other discussion. But we're here now, and the hows and whens and whys of the brutal murders of these two remarkable friends must be at the centre, IMO. Maybe there's a place elsewhere to focus on all the other case/ media furniture, so that those of us looking for the usual informed and respectful WS discussion can find it more easily here.

Not sure if "looking forward to..." is the correct terminology for what's likely to come over the next few days and weeks of testimony, but along with many here I am hopeful that the investigation and case will be solid and well laid out, and that there is minimum additional hardship for the families along the way.

Onwards, and hopefully forwards.

YMMV, MOO, IMO, etc

Like many, I have been appalled and haunted by this case for years. Families, friends and community of Abby and Libby waited half a decade for an arrest in the case, then years more for trial.

Now, finally, we're here. I am an inveterate scroll n' roller, but it is difficult to manage in a fast-moving thread with fresh witness testimony and genuine discussion points, and an entire thread-within-a-thread that seems to be focused on the internecine spats between podcasters, etc.

I get that in those wilderness years the spaces where facts weren't had to be kitted out with other discussion. But we're here now, and the hows and whens and whys of the brutal murders of these two remarkable friends must be at the centre, IMO. Maybe there's a place elsewhere to focus on all the other case/ media furniture, so that those of us looking for the usual informed and respectful WS discussion can find it more easily here.

Not sure if "looking forward to..." is the correct terminology for what's likely to come over the next few days and weeks of testimony, but along with many here I am hopeful that the investigation and case will be solid and well laid out, and that there is minimum additional hardship for the families along the way.

Onwards, and hopefully forwards.

YMMV, MOO, IMO, etc

I understand and share possibilities for your concerns in the daily discussions as the trial proceeds to witnesses and evidence of certain areas (autopsy, crime scene, weapons, confessions, etc) due mainly to widely varying opinions with possibly emotional attachments (personal experiences, maybe- my family member abducted and murdered). There’s also the issue that many if not most of us are very passionate about the case. For me since day 1, it’s due to the innocent victims as well as their families. Social media is an amazing resource but like most good things in life there’s a negative component too. This case has so many different variables for potentially impacting discussion threads will need patience and faith in the moderators. I’ve found private groups chats are usually great in these type situations but limits broader interaction available within the threads. Let’s hope for the best.

 

[MiniMoo]

According to MS they believe the insinuation by the D is that if the girls’ bodies were at that same location all night long, why weren’t there any indications of being mauled or preyed upon by wild animals.

My answer to that would be because the search activity would’ve scared any predators, such as coyotes, away from the area. MOO

That makes sense as animals of prey, especially with the scent of blood, would do what they do naturally which is to prey.

With searchers, however, that probably would have interrupted any animal.

 

[AugustWest]

I've not heard public out cry, it's the podcasters making a big deal. It appears to me, the podcasters want/seek the same privileges as credential media journalist.

MOO...I don't think podcasters will be considered media journalist. I posted the credentialing handbook, earlier. Every podcast I've viewed, which is very few, provide a disclaimer, for entertainment purposes only. I've not encountered any true journalist in the podcast profession, seems they all claim for entertainment to prevent accountability, protection from false claims and slander.

I checked Indiana, several other states and the White House. Seems there are universal standards. I discovered many organizations that provide credentialing providing guidelines are met.

Moo...

Are podcasters the "public?"

 

[sunshineray]

I'm not sure MS meets the standard of "professional journalists".

Indiana has a handbook defining media credentialing and the Indiana codes page 15.
Full time employment with a media agency, business license, etc.

Moo... I read this rules out paparazzi, you tubers and independent individuals selling/free articles.

I also read several Google articles for press passes for the WH. Seems most government entities have a qualification or credentialing process.

Allg opinion....

They were approved twice by the people appointed by JG to do the approving, once for the periodical magazine and once for The Franklin Daily Journal newspaper. They were told both times yes those affiliations are included as acceptable, by the rules written. Both times they were later informed JG said no to them. Aine has been a journalist for quite awhile.

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[sunshineray]

Source please.

His podcasts when he's been later shown to have bent the truth and in my opinion his association with some members (also attorneys) of the Due Process Gang. All Just My Opinion

 

[Simply Southern]

Are podcasters the "public?"

Good question. I would think under the guidelines and Indiana State Code they would be considered private citizens.

The code is referenced in the guide I posted, page 15.

 

[TTF14]

They were approved twice by the people appointed by JG to do the approving, once for the periodical magazine and once for The Franklin Daily Journal newspaper. They were told both times yes those affiliations are included as acceptable, by the rules written. Both times they were later informed JG said no to them. Aine has been a journalist for quite awhile.

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen On Trial: Day One: Opening Statements and More

We discuss the first day of Richard Allen's trial. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/ Send tips to [email protected]. The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.

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I agree with Judge Gull's decision.

As always, JMO.

 

[TTF14]

Good question. I would think under the guidelines and Indiana State Code they would be considered private citizens.

The code is referenced in the guide I posted, page 15.

And aren't private citizens the public? Or is there some legalese I'm not understanding?

As always, JMO.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847989525907177643

 

[TTF14]

Re: The voice can be matched!

Sheryl Mac McCollum did not address the comment made on the 10/19/2024 X post.

Hmm, wonder where she's getting her intel from.

As always, JMO.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Hi y'all!

I have three random questions...
Perhaps y'all can help me...

I am trying desperately to keep up with these threads...
but... alas... I am not having much luck...
So please forgive me if these have been answered...

1.) IIRC... the night of the first search...
prior to finding the poor girls...
Wasn't there a patrol person placed in the search area after the search was called off for the night?
And would this not place a hole in the assertion of the defense that SODDI came back with the bodies to the place they were found?

2.) Could the lone bullet found betw/ the girls be tracked back to other bullets found at RA's home...
In other words... could make/model AND info. re: place/time bought be investigated to see if it matches the other bullets at RA's home?
NOTE: I've seen this procedure be quite effective in other cases in linking such evidentiary items as plastic bags/cleaning agents/etc. to the home of alleged perps...

3.) Do we now yet where RA's wife/family was during the course of RA's trip to the bridge... and subsequent events?

I hope these questions make sense...

TIA!!!

All JMO...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

From what Barbara MacDonald said on CourtTV LIVE is that the State were scrambling to get it tested.

May not be all worked out just yet.

Mightn't be relevant, but it might be as well.

BTW: The unspent bullet has never been tested with LE ones as it was brought up by Baldwin today.

JMO MOO JMT

This leads me to another question...

IIUC... LE are required to report when their guns are drawn/handled in the course of any case...
If this bullet was from a gun of LE...
Ideally speaking...
would there not be a report of a gun related action by the LE?

JMO...

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847983952071446654