Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[iamshadow21]

Then you would think he would have to put his name in for a "Credentialed Media Trial Pass" I guess I'd call it for the credentialed media pool and take rotating turns getting into the 10 media designated seats as they have had to do.

He would also have to adhere to the strict media rules to keep eligibility to be part of that media pool, or risk getting blacklisted like the four who got dinged yesterday.

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

I've posted the link to this article twice now, and provided screenshots, to explain why I'm asking, but here it is again. Delphi Murders trial: Day 2 live blog

I guess we're going with the writer of of this article (or the witness) being wrong about there being a PAIR of black Nikes.

As always, JMO.

I think the witness was wrong.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847744916450914692

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

Per today’s Murdersheet podcast

https://www.patreon.com/posts/114322730?utm_campaign=postshare_fan

Clarified: Bob Motta did not attend Friday’s sessions on a media pass. He was escorted by Attorney Rozzi to the defense seats.

Bob Motta did not attend today’s session. His wife and podcast co-host, Ally Motta, attended, again as a guest of the defense.

Following the trial session, MS reports that they confirmed that there was some sort of incident involving Ally Motta attempting to view the trial exhibits with credentialed media (I had thought that viewing exhibits was supposed to happen in Ft Wayne, but apparently today it was in Delphi). Judge Gull reportedly admonished her since she was not attending on a press pass nor as credentialed media.

The MS co-hosts state they were not present as they had already departed, but they had confirmed the incident.

ETA: spelling/typo

 

[Seattle1]

I've posted the link to this article twice now, and provided screenshots, to explain why I'm asking, but here it is again. Delphi Murders trial: Day 2 live blog

I guess we're going with the writer of of this article (or the witness) being wrong about there being a PAIR of black Nikes.

As always, JMO.

Perhaps we need to wait and hear the sworn testimony from the witness who recovered Abby's body from the scene (including Libby's alleged shoe from beneath her body). I believe this will come on Monday.

Especially since it doesn't appear where anybody in Court today corrected sworn witness Jake Johns who testified that he located Libby's tie-dye shirt and also her Nikes shoes (plural) in the creek. Jurors were also shown a photograph of a pair of Nike shoes, and presuming the photo was admitted into evidence.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 2 testimonies

Day 2 of the Delphi Murders trial begins at 9 a.m. Saturday. Follow WISH-TV's live blog for the latest updates from the courtroom.

wishtv.com

https://cbs4indy.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-day-2-testimony-includes-former-delphi-police-chief-members-of-search-party/

Witness weeps as he recounts finding Abby and Libby's bodies | Day 2 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Per today’s Murdersheet podcast

https://www.patreon.com/posts/114322730?utm_campaign=postshare_fan

Clarified: Bob Motta did not attend Friday’s sessions on a media pass. He was escorted by Attorney Rozzi to the defense seats.

Bob Motta did not attend today’s session. His wife and podcast co-host, Ally Motta, attended, again as a guest of the defense.

Following the trial session, MS reports that they confirmed that there was some sort of incident involving Ally Motta attempting to view the trial exhibits with credentialed media (I had thought that viewing exhibits was supposed to happen in Ft Wayne, but apparently today it was in Delphi). Judge Gull reportedly admonished her since she was not attending on a press pass nor as credentialed media.

The MS co-hosts state they were not present as they had already departed, but they had confirmed the incident.

ETA: spelling/typo

Yep, trying to get around the press pool rules.

I don't see this being allowed to continue.

They're either guests or press. Fish or fowl. They'll have to choose.

MOO

 

[Trebor5591]

I’m not sure what you were expecting from an opening statement in a pretty straightforward case. If you remove the defense theatrics and conspiracy theories, the concept is pretty concise. A man kidnapped two girls and killed them. We now know who he is. The prosecution doesn’t have to go into flashy far-fetched tales (sometimes contradictory) to try to make their point. It’s very simple. The fact the defense is having to do gymnastics, mislead, and obfuscate is going to be their downfall when held up against a very clear-cut and believable theory by the prosecution that is backed up by evidence, and not just speculation meant to confuse and distract.

All my opinion.

In another trial I am following (State of Fl vs. Sarah Boone), the prosecution there read aloud some of Sarah Boone's words from a video where she taunted the decedent while he was dying. Incredibly powerful stuff. I thought the same sort of thing would work in this trial--but it didn't happen.

I am starting to think the "confessions" may have issues. But we shall see. IMO

 

[Seattle1]

It would be great if the public could see the list of evidence retrieved from the crime scene. No photos or drawings, just a list of the items found there. That would quickly clear up the facts about the number of shoes, etc.

Yes it would be!

Unfortunately, evidence is only available for viewing by credentialed media for 15 minutes at the close of day! I'm hoping at least one looked at the photo of the Nikes shown to the jurors today, and will Tweet if it was a pair or a single shoe! Lawyer Lee channel hoped to memorialize the evidence after day 1 on Friday and was turned away -- she's not credentialed MSM.

 

[BUF]

I've posted the link to this article twice now, and provided screenshots, to explain why I'm asking, but here it is again. Delphi Murders trial: Day 2 live blog

I guess we're going with the writer of of this article (or the witness) being wrong about there being a PAIR of black Nikes.

As always, JMO.

I have a feeling it was probably said that “a” shoe was found, not a “pair” of shoes.

I feel for these reporters sitting in the courtroom listening to testimony and having to physically write all these notes to then transcribe into electronic reports.

Unfortunately, I don’t think we will get exactly what was said as if we saw it live-streamed and even gone back to check on YouTube. We have already found that we have to pick up different bits and pieces from the reports available.

moo

 

[Megnut]

I think the witness was wrong.

Respectfully, likely the witness was accurate and the journalist erred.

I can't imagine how fast they're hearing and transcribing, bound to make mistakes.

Still wishing for a recorded trial, even if released on the far side of a verdict.

 

[katydid23]

I’ve always imagined the killer redressed Abby.
What kind of idiot fires a gun in the commission of a murder where people could hear it?
How did he control the two of them by himself?
IMO

One grown man can control 2 young girls by holding a gun to the back of one of the girl's head. The other will comply out of total fear. IMO

 

[Megnut]

Franks memos were rejected by the judge.

The trial isn't the State vs the Franks Motions. They aren't evidence, they aren't admitted.

I consider them tabled. Actually off-table, into the shredder.

It is a courtesy to the Defense (not that  they care, But I do) that, setting aside the motions they couldn't legally move, I am willing now to keep an open mind to any evidence or witnesses they bring forward. Legally.

I reserve the right to disdain them.

JMO

 

[Vern]

Yep, trying to get around the press pool rules.

I don't see this being allowed to continue.

They're either guests or press. Fish or fowl. They'll have to choose.

MOO

Well, now they've worn three hats:

- Defence "Guest": (10 seats);
- Credentialed Media [which they are not] (10 seat pool); and
- Podcasters/aka Public [Previous days] (32 Public seat pool IIRC).

That gives these two more choice of seating arrangements than even the 30 given to family. That's awful.

 

[Boxer]

Per today’s Murdersheet podcast

https://www.patreon.com/posts/114322730?utm_campaign=postshare_fan

Clarified: Bob Motta did not attend Friday’s sessions on a media pass. He was escorted by Attorney Rozzi to the defense seats.

Bob Motta did not attend today’s session. His wife and podcast co-host, Ally Motta, attended, again as a guest of the defense.

Following the trial session, MS reports that they confirmed that there was some sort of incident involving Ally Motta attempting to view the trial exhibits with credentialed media (I had thought that viewing exhibits was supposed to happen in Ft Wayne, but apparently today it was in Delphi). Judge Gull reportedly admonished her since she was not attending on a press pass nor as credentialed media.

The MS co-hosts state they were not present as they had already departed, but they had confirmed the incident.

ETA: spelling/typo

Presiding over so much predatory MSM Media and uncredentialed YT Media is a whole other job. Needs a special master.

 

[Megnut]

Well, now they've worn three hats:

- Defence "Guest": (10 seats);
- Credentialed Media [which they are not] (10 seat pool); and
- Podcasters/aka Public [Previous days] (32 Public seat pool IIRC).

That gives these two more choice of seating arrangements than even the 30 given to family. That's awful.

Methinks Judge Gall won't take kindly to any attempts to snooker the Court.

We may see a new seating chart on Monday.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Let me try this again.

Abby was wearing her own two shoes on her own two feet. That's 2 shoes.

One of Libby's shoes was found under Abby's body. That's 1 shoe.

Today's article from WishTV said that Jake Johns found Libby's T-shirt and a pair of black Nikes. A pair means two. The same article also said the jury was shown a photograph of the shoes. Plural. More than one. That's 2 shoes.

2 (Abby's shoes on Abby's feet) + 1 (Libby's shoe under Abby) + 2 (pair of Nikes found in creek) = A total of 5 shoes.

5 shoes. 4 feet.

As always, JMO.

I have never ever heard that two shoes were found in the creek. I have heard interviews with Kelsey, saying ONE shoe was in the creek. And seen photos of ONE black shoe in the creek.



I think If there had been five shoes it would have come up already. IMO

 

[Betty P]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847744916450914692

I hope other local LE learn from the Delphi LE experiences handling these tragic murders. But then, most small town/city LE don't think such horrible crimes can happen in their town.

Anyone who follows cold cases for a while knows that small towns and rural areas have experienced terrible senseless murders for centuries.

 

[WildHuncher]

dbm
oops I'm not sure my source is permitted.
I shall paraphrase as it's my opinion as well:

The inability to exclude BW's gun can't be reconciled with an identification of Richard Allen's gun as the source of the cartridge, because an identification necessarily excludes all other guns in the universe as potential sources. Impossible to have it both ways.

It's important that BW's gun can't be excluded as being the source of the bullet. Saying that is not an accusation against BW. It's an impeachment of the theory that the identification of RA's gun as being exclusively THE gun that released the shell at the crime scene. It makes no sense to assert that RA's gun is likely the weapon, when it BW's gun can't be excluded as being the weapon that released that bullet as well.

What is the chance there's several more sig saeurs amongst the huge numbers of LE at that crime scene for days that also cannot be excluded as being the weapon that released that bullet?

JMHO and ... I hope that makes sense.

I know where the assertion that the bullet is definitely from RA’s gun comes from. It’s from a testing laboratory whose mission includes such tests.

_Certificate of Analysis from ISP Laboratory Division – A.pdf

drive.google.com

I haven’t found the source for BW’s gun being another possibility, but suspect that it is a different one. Another lab, another expert, something like that.

Edited to fix botched link.

 

[Betty P]

Presiding over so much predatory MSM Media and uncredentialed YT Media is a whole other job. Needs a special master.

Its happening in more and more trials these days. I'll wager the same problems will occur in the trial of Brian Kohlberg.

 

[Inthedetails]

Its happening in more and more trials these days. I'll wager the same problems will occur in the trial of Brian Kohlberg.

We've entered a new era of information dissemination and courts need to figure out how to handle social media "content creators." jmo