Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[iamshadow21]

How did the defense determine it to be familial female hair?

Most likely would be to test the hair for mDNA.

At the time of the crime, that was the type of DNA testing that could be done from any part of the hair and wouldn't require consumptive testing of the root.

Nowadays, they can get nuclear DNA from the shaft, but not then. There's a paper about doing it successfully a year after the crime.

Successful nuclear DNA profiling of rootless hair shafts: a novel approach - PubMed

Historically, rootless hair shaft samples submitted to a forensic laboratory for DNA analysis are reserved for mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) analysis due to the presence of highly degraded as well as insufficient amounts of nuclear DNA. Although mtDNA has been very successful in obtaining results...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

MOO

 

[katydid23]

How did the defense determine it to be familial female hair?

Because the Prosecution handed the info over in discovery.

The prosecution knew about the hairs from day one, and would have IMMEDIATELY tested them, thinking it could belong to the killer.

Upon early tests they'd find out it was female DNA. So once they ran through Codis and it didnt get a hit, they'd continue with Genealogy process to try and identify who the female was.

We did see a 20k bill for genealogy testing in documents.

So early on in G testing they learned it came from a female from Libby's family tree, someone closely related.

That's apparently where they halted the expensive process. They know that the killer was not a sister or cousin of Libby.

So what's the point to continue spending time and resources for an unnecessary test result?

The Defense knew all of this for quite awhile. They just wanted to use it to create a fake bombshell and create some confusion.

 

[TTF14]

They've known all about it since discovery. And they've known it's not the killer's hair all that time.

The only reason they brought it up is to create an uproar, taking it seem there was as big bombshell against the prosecution's case.

It was just a hoax, orchestrated by the D with the help of BM and other social media platforms. They will be doing the same thing for the rest of the trial.

As a trial watcher, your opinion is that it's a hoax.

As a trial watcher, my opinion is that it's important and I want to see how this plays out. Who the hair belongs to and why the investigators didn't follow up on it (and told Angela Ganote to pull reporting on DNA).

What else has LE told media outlets to pull so the public doesn't know about it? <modsnip: Stating something unsourced as fact and tacking on a JMO is not allowed.>

As always, IMO

 

[statt#1]

They've known all about it since discovery. And they've known it's not the killer's hair all that time.

The only reason they brought it up is to create an uproar, taking it seem there was as big bombshell against the prosecution's case.

It was just a hoax, orchestrated by the D with the help of BM and other social media platforms. They will be doing the same thing for the rest of the trial.

Truth. And it really is a shame they've chosen to throw this kind of deception in to the mix. I'd expect better however it appears to be modus operandi.

Abby and Libby. Teen girls. Out for a walk. Full of life.

 

[rez125]

I think there's a lot of people who are forgetting what a defence team is here to do.

They are here to ensure their client gets a fair trial and the the judicial process is handled within the eyes of the law at all times. They are also here to create doubt.

It's the prosecution who have to prove guilt and if there are any holes to expose a decent defence team of course is going to try and poke through those holes.

 

[Spartygirl]

Bring on the evidence and a need for endless subjective speculation. Big week coming up.

Yeppers... big week coming up for sure.

I won't be following it in here but am looking forward to JUSTICE for LIBBY & ABBY

 

[katydid23]

The defense didn’t admit it was familial dna, they said it’s possible.

That's their form of admission,imo......they are skirting the issue.

The P would not have stopped testing if they didn't find out if it might be one of the killers. The way the Genealogy testing works would mean that if they tested it against Abby or Libby it would come back quickly as a family relation.

I highly doubt the D would ever say 'it's possibly a familial connection ' unless it was said to be so by the state.

 

[rez125]

I haven't seen anything mentioned and probably would have if this were the case but is the State going for the DP here?

 

[Bergmann]

It's the prosecution who have to prove guilt and if there are any holes to expose a decent defence team of course is going to try and poke through those hole

Quoted for truth.

IMO some people will always view the defense as an obstruction to just finding someone guilty as charged, and label everything defense does as ‘dirty tricks’ which apart from being misinformed is also counter to the accused’s rights as a citizen.

Justice is best served when delivered properly and fairly, not just at the behest of the beying mob.

 

[katydid23]

I think there's a lot of people who are forgetting what a defence team is here to do.

They are here to ensure their client gets a fair trial and the the judicial process is handled within the eyes of the law at all times. They are also here to create doubt.

It's the prosecution who have to prove guilt and if there are any holes to expose a decent defence team of course is going to try and poke through those holes.

Of course. And the prosecution wants a fair trial as well, to insure Justice for the victims and their families.

So their job is to dismiss unrealistic doubt. And if there are any phoney defense theories and preposterous scenarios put forward, any decent District Attorney is going to try and those flaws and call them out.

 

[TTF14]

I haven't seen anything mentioned and probably would have if this were the case but is the State going for the DP here?

No, but good question.

 

[TTF14]

Of course. And the prosecution wants a fair trial as well, to insure Justice for the victims and their families.

So their job is to dismiss unrealistic doubt. And if there are any phoney defense theories and preposterous scenarios put forward, any decent District Attorney is going to try and those flaws and call them out.

Well, it's up to the jury at this point. They seem to be a great jury asking excellent questions. I feel confident they will be able to see what's true and what's not.

As always, JMO.

 

[TTF14]

Quoted for truth.

IMO some people will always view the defense as an obstruction to just finding someone guilty as charged, and label everything defense does as ‘dirty tricks’ which apart from being misinformed is also counter to the accused’s rights as a citizen.

Justice is best served when delivered properly and fairly, not just at the behest of the beying mob.

Hear, hear.

Simply being arrested doesn't equate to being guilty. That's what a trial is for.

As always, JMO.

 

[Spartygirl]

I think there's a lot of people who are forgetting what a defence team is here to do.

They are here to ensure their client gets a fair trial and the the judicial process is handled within the eyes of the law at all times. They are also here to create doubt.

It's the prosecution who have to prove guilt and if there are any holes to expose a decent defence team of course is going to try and poke through those holes.

Yeah...but nope with this Defense team

There is a difference between what you pose as a good defense team and then there are Rozzi & Baldwin and their minions.

I have never seen a defense team like this before.

They have proved to be Unethical, Unbelievable & Unprofessional.

I can respect a good defense attorney and have seen them in trials.

This team is NOT that.

 

[TTF14]

I have never seen a defense team like this before.

They have proved to be Unethical, Unbelievable & Unprofessional.

RSBM

Agree, but my opinion is the opposite. I think they are excellent! When the trial is said and done, i think people who hate them will change their minds about them....they may still hate them, but they will see how brilliant they are.

As always, JMO

 

[rez125]

Quoted for truth.

IMO some people will always view the defense as an obstruction to just finding someone guilty as charged, and label everything defense does as ‘dirty tricks’ which apart from being misinformed is also counter to the accused’s rights as a citizen.

Justice is best served when delivered properly and fairly, not just at the behest of the beying mob.

A good defence team will prevent or limit appeals down the road. This is often overlooked and it actually serves the victims families.

I don't know much about this defence team but it takes a special person to be a public defender and somebody has to do it!

 

[Spartygirl]

She might be absent because she doesn't want the public scrutiny. Or maybe her father and/or father asked her not to be present as it's too painful for all of them. Or, perhaps, as you state, she will be taking the stand.

If she is taking the stand, I think that's another example of what RA could have meant when he "killed" his family. An intact family doesn't need to testify against each other (understatement).

But if she is not there to avoid the public, I totally get it. The public is a BURDEN on people in pain. People aren't always kind (another understatement).

jmo

Agree with all the options but I think there is a lot more, IMO

We shall see... OR maybe not

 

[twall]

How did the defense determine it to be familial female hair?

Maybe they tested it. They have access to the defendant and victims DNA to make a familial link to Libby but they would not have access to Libby's relatives DNA to fully identify it. JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Good for her in not supporting a man who has confessed 60+ times and placed himself at the crime scene.

Moo

You are talking about RA's daughter. Just because she's not there does not mean she does not support him.
I've learned to not judge family members who are not present during their loved ones trials.
MOO

 

[rez125]

Well, it's up to the jury at this point. They seem to be a great jury asking excellent questions. I feel confident they will be able to see what's true and what's not.

As always, JMO.

Juries usually get it right.

It's a pretty robust system.