Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[Deleted member 296739]

Very well put Arkay and I agree. To mention the hair the way it was and in doing so knowing full well it was a female family members hair, most likely Libby's sister Kelsei or her grandma Becky was offensive and hurtful. That's not good lawyering in my view, it's just downright awful behavior. Throwing spaghetti at the wall is one thing in your quest to be as zealous as you can but this was throwing something else, right at the prosecution while seeing the victim's family was standing right there in front of you to get hit...knowing it was for nothing tangible.
Bad behavior AJMO.

I got lost in the speed of the last thread, where was the source of it being a female relative? And when was that determined? I’m not at all suggesting that either victims family were somehow involved, I can see how if things were not tested until much later that the might bother a juror- and or raise questions about the investigation in the early stages-

wet hands make a lot more sense as to why/how hair could have easily been transferred and stuck to her hand - I hadn’t thought of that until I read OP
Moo

 

[sunshineray]

Donnie Burgess, a journalist with @93wibc, has shared via (Twitter)X some updated onsite logistical information from the City of Delphi. This is a great and thoughtful effort to address some of the confusion and disorganization outside the courthouse.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847997900367782300

Text below for those who cannot view (Twitter)X posts.

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Donnie Burgess @localguy

A note from #Delphi Mayor Kamron Yates. Mostly logistics information.

"While we are saddened by the reason for the sudden interest and activity in the City, we wish to make everyone's visit to Delphi outside of the Courthouse as safe and enjoyable as possible under the circumstances."
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The 2-page guidelines are below.

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How lovely of them to do these things for visitors and their LE. God Bless Delphi <3 Pray for healing, for all who live there <3

 

[shonyakay]

I agree.
Solid evidence the P may have will go a long way in getting that guilty verdict. Why all the worry about confusing the jury?
The D is doing a good job by making him prove his case.
MOO

Because the defense team has been notorious for misrepresenting the facts of the case all along.

 

[Melted]

This is why I think it a disservice to the defense, as a juror, my take would be, these guys aren't trustworthy....they're trying to lead me astray without cause. My opinion.....give me some real evidence to exonerate this man, not innuendo.

They don’t present their defense until after the prosecution presents their case.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Because the defense team has been notorious for misrepresenting the facts of the case all along.

I'm sure he will be able to prove them to be untruthful. Just imagine how he could have damaged their case if the D would have been allowed to present their wild theories.

 

[TTF14]

They don’t present their defense until after the prosecution presents their case.

And the onus is on the state to prove guilt, not the other way around, just like in every other case. Thankfully the jury has been instructed about this and not expecting RA to prove his innocence.

As always, JMO.

 

[statt#1]

They don’t present their defense until after the prosecution presents their case.

Thank you for posting, but you seem to have missed my point entirely. The issue becomes doubt in the jurors mind as to the integrity of the defense team, which I argue to be a disservice to the defense itself.

 

[shonyakay]

Todd Click even said the defense was twisting facts for sensationalism.

A statement obtained by the Muder Sheet podcast, Todd Click, a former assistant chief of police from Rushville, IN, said, “No one in law enforcement believes Abby and Libby were killed in a ritual sacrifice. That is the defense twisting facts for sensationalism.”

Attorneys for Richard Allen want client moved, lay out alternative theory of ‘ritualistic’ murder

DELPHI, Ind. – A ritualistic killing involving cultists. A conspiracy among prison guards. Investigators fixated on a single suspect. Those are among the stunning allegations made in court document…

fox59.com

 

[sunshineray]

I got lost in the speed of the last thread, where was the source of it being a female relative? And when was that determined? I’m not at all suggesting that either victims family were somehow involved, I can see how if things were not tested until much later that the might bother a juror- and or raise questions about the investigation in the early stages-

wet hands make a lot more sense as to why/how hair could have easily been transferred and stuck to her hand - I hadn’t thought of that until I read OP
Moo

I may be the wrong person to ask that, I'm far behind still. The hair in Abby's hand was mentioned by AB in defenses opening statement. That's what I know for sure.

 

[sunshineray]

They don’t present their defense until after the prosecution presents their case.

And yet still they seem to be throwing info out there that maybe be factual true but misleading. Like the hair in Abby's hand is not RA's, making it sound like, it must match someone else, maybe the real killer...when it innocently matches a female relative of Libby. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

“During the news conference. Sgt. Tony Slocum said the search continued for a man seen in a photo. Investigators revealed that the photo also came from Liberty German’s phone. They said it’s possible the voice in the recording is that of the man in the photo.”

https://fox59.com/news/officials-to-provide-update-in-murder-investigation-of-delphi-teens/

I'm confused as to why you're posting this? Something to do with the audio of BG's voice?

 

[Salah11]

Todd Click even said the defense was twisting facts for sensationalism.

A statement obtained by the Muder Sheet podcast, Todd Click, a former assistant chief of police from Rushville, IN, said, “No one in law enforcement believes Abby and Libby were killed in a ritual sacrifice. That is the defense twisting facts for sensationalism.”

Attorneys for Richard Allen want client moved, lay out alternative theory of ‘ritualistic’ murder

DELPHI, Ind. – A ritualistic killing involving cultists. A conspiracy among prison guards. Investigators fixated on a single suspect. Those are among the stunning allegations made in court document…

fox59.com

Yep, and thankfully, most people know that, and I have no doubt the jury will also see <mods edit> them for what they are.

I mean to suggest they were taken away and then returned in the dead of the night with searchers nearby looking for the girls. It’s just completely illogical and makes zero sense.

Moo

 

[Tealgrove]

I’m not so worried about the D’s conduct right now.

I don’t care if the General Public is being confused by their strategies.

What I care about is that Jury hears the evidence, doesn’t hear all the “noise” that is happening regarding the media, a hair and whatever else the D tries throw out there.

We now have a Jury seated in a court of law that is hearing actual evidence. They are asking questions. It appears, by their questions, they are committed to doing what is right, wherever right may fall.

If the D is doing something misleading to confuse the JURY, the Prosecution is there, in the moment to counterbalance and bring reality back into focus.

I cannot believe that talking about a hair that belongs to a female relative is still being discussed.

The trial has moved on from the hair. It will either be brought up again by the Defense if it is relevant. It may never see the light of day again.

What matters is the Jury receiving the facts, hearing the evidence, listening to what the D has to say and then deciding.

Thankfully they are not hearing the collateral noise on the outside because IMO it has become a never ending cyclical case of mass rumination that doesn’t serve anybody well.

Just My Opinion

 

[mrjitty]

So glad Judge Gull sequestered the Jury.

 

[rez125]

Who's on the stand today, first responders?

I wonder if today will be the details of the scene in full.

 

[TTF14]

Who's on the stand today, first responders?

I wonder if today will be the details of the scene in full.

I'm guessing it will be Tobe Leazenby.

As always, JMO.

 

[shonyakay]

"Day 3 of the Delphi murders trial begin this morning with testimony from law enforcement & jurors will see the graphic pictures of the bloody crime scene."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848317541745115282

 

[shonyakay]

I wonder if RA's wife and mom will remain in the courtroom today?

 

[TTF14]

I wonder what these are about.

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

 

[Salah11]

I wonder if RA's wife and mom will remain in the courtroom today?

That’s a good point as at the 3 day hearings they walked out at the heavy going part. Like they have pre warned to walk out at that part.

Moo